Out of the box.

[jiang]

I think the idea of a 'main healer' in an xp pt is absurd because the chore of healing should be evenly divided among all party members. Saying someone is 'main healer' is just an excuse for the other mages to be lazy and blame a death on someone else. I think in an exp pt eveyone is equally responsible for curing. Especially in the case of a BLM or a BRD, if anyone, them throwing cures is the most important thing because it lightens the load for the WHM, and plus, BLM and BRD are jobs that can easily be executed (throw your MB and sing your songs, and thats about it)

summary: your sub job responsiblities are just important as your main job ones.

[Eddie]

I had a taru pld main heal one with a ninja tank pre refresh patch and he had little mp gear. Worked ok but, why.

[Stilgar]

Nice thread. Got the plds main healing and the rdms tanking.

[Julian]

if you had a taru PLD/WHM then yeah, they could be a main healer.

that Light Obi increases the Cure% too(lol lightsday) but everything helps.

How much MP would a taru PLD/WHM in that gear setup in 1st post would have? around 500?

It can work.

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Taru PLD has over 500mp naked. I have around 640mp when I use my pld, and only +mp I have is from homam pants, and I have 8 mp merits.

[Chips]

Taru PLD has over 500mp naked. I have around 640mp when I use my pld, and only +mp I have is from homam pants, and I have 8 mp merits.

Apparently, (base MP), Taru PLDs have more MP than Galka WHM.

[Dalek]

I used to be able to get about 600MP without breaking a sweat as /war, just using some MP gear from BST.... I think decked out, a hume or any other MP-gifted race could get over 1k MP with a little effort.

But.... Why?

I like seeing "out of the box" combos as much as anyone but sadly all we could offer as a main healer is being more or less of a "Cure tank". We don't really have any good support spells for our party besides Protect 4, and the support spells of whm and rdm are what people want for their "healers" in parties. Lack of haste/enfeebs(aside from flash, which I'm sure someone could find a use for in an exp situation) kinda prevents PLD from taking a main healer role. But if all you need is someone to pump cure IVs all day long.... then a well-geared PLD/WHM could work wonders. We have access to a ton of +hMP gear and with sanction refresh/parade gorget/verm/auto refresh and refresh or ballad from a BRD or RDM... we have a pretty sustainable pool of MP to work with.

On the topic of rdm/nin, a party of 6 JPs managed to take down fafnir the other day with a rdm/nin tank. It was pretty impressive to watch lol.

[Kuropiko]

With gear and food, a Taru PLD could break 1000 MP easily with /WHM i believe.

I remember i had more than 900 when i tried it just for the hell of it, with my SMN gear i could wear (like Hierarch & Hedgehog Bomb only i think).

So yes max MP would not be a problem for a Taru.

[Metah]

I think the idea of a 'main healer' in an xp pt is absurd because the chore of healing should be evenly divided among all party members. Saying someone is 'main healer' is just an excuse for the other mages to be lazy and blame a death on someone else. I think in an exp pt eveyone is equally responsible for curing. Especially in the case of a BLM or a BRD, if anyone, them throwing cures is the most important thing because it lightens the load for the WHM, and plus, BLM and BRD are jobs that can easily be executed (throw your MB and sing your songs, and thats about it)

summary: your sub job responsiblities are just important as your main job ones.

Yeah, "main tank" is a dumb idea too, everyone in the party should share damage being taken. Especially BLMs with full Igqira Weskit to curse those pesky monster's HP away.

(Actually, I knew a BLM who told me full Igqira proced like 1/3 of the time so it wasn't such a bad idea after all )

[LinktheDeme]

PLD and BLU can both be really good mainhealers only when paired with a rdm tho because no way to haste. . .

for PLD sub whm + refresh gear and + mp gear witih light staffs and hmp gear
should be +4 mp refresh with the above listed and thats excluding refresh from another player.

for blu sub whm +refresh, need auto-refresh, conserve mp, then the rest just said as +mp and other assisting moves IE stoneskinaga.

blu should be able to get +3 refresh on its own and has a really decent amount of MP

Both were are really great for mainhealing because of the main fact they both have cure 4 something SMNs did not. I found them both better than SMN because of it but not since the SMN update, SMNs are prolly back up there with 3 min hastega

[Bagel]

Taru PLD base MP is 525 /WAR, I can't recall what it is /WHM cause I don't usually sub WHM on PLD. I have looked at it before and it is fairly plausible to break 1k MP.

[Lokim]

Here's what I don't understand. Yes, paladins have natural curing spells and yes, they can get some status cures with a white mage sub, but...why? They're not going heal much better than any other mage class.

As for "sickening amouts of MP regen", paladins get exactly 1MP per tick more than a white mage:

+1 /SMN
+1 Noble's Tunic
+1 Sanction
+3 Ballad I/II

The only thing paladins get that white mage (and practically any other mage class, for that matter) doesn't is the Parade Gorget. Stick to summoners and black mages for your emergency curing needs.

So, yeah, congratulations on realizing that people who have MP and cure spells can be healers, I guess.

[Metah]

I've wanted to party plenty of times with no main healers around. I'm positive I'm not the only one who's encountered this.

At that point, anything that's viable is welcome.

[Tovaud]

I can't believe no one has Spirit Taker in as a source of MP for PLD/WHM endgame. PLD/WHM with a high damage staff wouldn't have to rest for MP, or at least, not very often.

[Julian]

I can't believe no one has Spirit Taker in as a source of MP for PLD/WHM endgame. PLD/WHM with a high damage staff wouldn't have to rest for MP, or at least, not very often.

Maybe because... it wont do a lot of damage?

Endgame != EXP Parties or EM soloing or whatever

[Tovaud]

Even if you only get 40 damage from Spirit Taker every 2 minutes, that's worth an extra point of Refresh over time. I fail to see how that isn't important.

[Chips]

Even if you only get 40 damage from Spirit Taker every 2 minutes, that's worth an extra point of Refresh over time. I fail to see how that isn't important.

I can see where you're coming from, except that the mob's TP gain might not be worth the extra +1 tick.

[Ksandra]

This is kinda a cool concept.


For the serveral "but why?" comments. All I can say is, at least from when I've tried to make pts, ever notice how there's usually 3 plds seeking and no whm or smn? That's why.

[kawkawkaw]

and in merit parties, you will never be able to get 100tp per fight, and you should be fucking resting with a Dark Staff whenever you're not curing, but seriously, grats on your innovative idea, maybe I should try tanking on my summoner.

[Tovaud]

and in merit parties, you will never be able to get 100tp per fight, and you should be fucking resting with a Dark Staff whenever you're not curing, but seriously, grats on your innovative idea, maybe I should try tanking on my summoner.

Since when do PLDs rest in combat? He won't have time to rest in a typical merit party when you have someone chain pulling mobs.

[kawkawkaw]

How about this: PLD main healer. PLD can get a sickeningly large amount of MP regen/tick.

Boy, I sure am hoping you aren't meleeing while main healing.

edit; I CANT QUOTE LOL