Ulli :<

[Kurohyou]

I decided to take another path which was spend some time, use my brain and see if I could figure the camp out.

Is this just a fancy way of saying you made your own botting program?

I know how Mee Deggi the Punisher spawns, doesn't mean I'm going to get claim every time.

[Severance]

A lot of people bu the Ulli stones, then sell gil drops from Byakko/Kirin to buy more.

More drops, less time camping.

[Quebe]

A lot of people bu the Ulli stones, then sell gil drops from Byakko/Kirin to buy more.

More drops, less time camping.

This is nice, but it is what keeps the RMT at Ulli Camp...the only way to stop the problem is to camp and claim Ulli and make it not worth their time.

If i bought a stone, my LS leader would kick me from shell the second he found out.

[Aodh]

Regarding Ulli, SE doesn't read BG forums

I've sent in a few suggestions and just hope they get filtered through the crap. I sent them one on Ulli suggesting that they make the stones non-bazaarable. Wouldn't "Stop" gilsellers, but if you can inconvenience them it may become harder for them to sell and less encouraging to camp.

[Matricide]

A lot of people bu the Ulli stones, then sell gil drops from Byakko/Kirin to buy more.

More drops, less time camping.

This is nice, but it is what keeps the RMT at Ulli Camp...the only way to stop the problem is to camp and claim Ulli and make it not worth their time.

If i bought a stone, my LS leader would kick me from shell the second he found out.

that will never happen, sorry. the only way to stop the problem is to get rid of both gilbuyers and RMT accounts that actively camp.

[Kross]

I bet that Autumnstones will climb to 15m @ Xmas time.

every noob will have b.haidate fighting with gillers....

[Demetrius*]

Before people start talking smack, we don't bot. Its the reason this LS doesn't do kings, because we don't want to drop to the level of botting.

is that really the reason? cause Odin is one of the best servers out there in reguards to the botting situation on 3 kings. Just how many camps have you been to?

[Jahuran]

The non legit way (not botting but still cheating) of recognizing the PH. i.e the way the RMTs do it and ignore all other Aura Statues.

Its pretty easy to recognize the ph without botting or scanning for Ullikummi's ID. All it takes is a little edit in the dat file for that zone with the monster listing.(I bet this trick is as old as the game itself and everyone knows it)

The legit way of telling is imho non existant since its meant to be a random pop and it shouldn't ever be easily identifiable in a room where only aura statues pop.

[Elipse]

Before people start talking smack, we don't bot. Its the reason this LS doesn't do kings, because we don't want to drop to the level of botting.

is that really the reason? cause Odin is one of the best servers out there in reguards to the botting situation on 3 kings. Just how many camps have you been to?

To be honest I haven't been to king camps in ages. Perhaps I wrongly assumed that the situation had got worse, not better. When reading posts for hours on end with people from all servers saying "I bot, I said it, who cares anymore?", leaves a bad taste in your mouth and thus I avoided it.

[Ashira]

Yes, there is an obvious difference on pulls, but in TK we still manage to get a halfway decent number of pulls, and I'm not going to be stupid enough to say no one in our shell bots because the likelihoods are low and there's no way to tell, but we don't have a favorable opinion of it. I have never seen anything suspicious from any of our members, however, and a lot of times the claim numbers can just be attributed to the number of people each shell has at camps.

But yes, as someone else said in another thread, shells that are more honest have smaller numbers. We don't usually have half the people LB and BBQ have at camps. And yeah, so we don't win pulls that often, but it's still enough for us or we'd be changing things. Sometimes we do get more determined than others and take more /WAR than normal and such, but I'd say, honestly, things are still pretty decent.

Yes, there are suspicious activities from other shells, esp when a new shell shows up and claims things 3 days in a row, or the same person in another shell claims 4 things in two days, etc. But I dunno, I'm not complaining about our lack of claims. It's nice when we get them, but not a big deal if we don't.

Please note, out of all those threads and people posting about botting because others bot, blah blah... not many of them are from Odin. /shrug

[shinobi_tabi]

I remember back when you could merit on Aura's and Ulli was just the added bonus for the your party members LSs if he popped.

Lol yea like 2 years ago
I remember my first sky party i pulled Ulli thinking it was a normal Aura statue, when he started casting on me i was like wtf?
party saw my macro, ranged attack @ Ullikummi and was all like lolol
because they were already hnming back then o.o

[Asy]

On Fenrir, there's more relics in NA hands then there are Autumnstones. .-.

[draxyl]

A lot of people bu the Ulli stones, then sell gil drops from Byakko/Kirin to buy more.

More drops, less time camping.

This is nice, but it is what keeps the RMT at Ulli Camp...the only way to stop the problem is to camp and claim Ulli and make it not worth their time.

If i bought a stone, my LS leader would kick me from shell the second he found out.

I'm a bit late to the party on this, but what the hey.

My linkshell has the same stance now, that we don't support the LS bank buying stones (we don't really have a bank, we sell/split all drops from HNM) and we don't want individuals to buy stones from GS either. I've always been an advocate for buying the stones with LS funds, it works in our favor - if and only if we make enough gil farming other drops in the time we would have spent camping Ulli.

Not everyone feels that way though, there are strong feelings that supporting any RMT groups is wrong any way you look at it. People acknowledge that we are all buying RMT goods on the AH, but that buying pop items direct from RMT folks is somehow different. To me, I don't really see a line seperating the two, and I know we can earn more gil and have more fun farming HNM than standing around Ulli to get a "legit" pop item and round out another Kirin set.

[Aodh]

People acknowledge that we are all buying RMT goods on the AH, but that buying pop items direct from RMT folks is somehow different. To me, I don't really see a line seperating the two, and I know we can earn more gil and have more fun farming HNM than standing around Ulli to get a "legit" pop item and round out another Kirin set.

There's two parts to this. First when you're buying something from the AH you have no way to know who the seller is. If there was a 'No Gilseller' function, a lot of people would use it on principal. When you're buying an Autumnstone for 9mil from Hudsuhjlkjs's bazaar, you're not buying it from a legitimate player. Knowingly supporting RMT activities is bad, for the second reason.

If you buy an Autumnstone, you give the gilsellers 9mil of money to RMT which hurts the ingame economy causing inflation making normal things you buy more expensive. And it justifys the RMT's camping Ulli because they know you'll buy it. If no one buys it then they eventually cannot hold any more and have wasted their days camping Ulli to earn no money, so they'll leave. If you buy an item from an RMT, you're justifying them camping it again to sell.

[Roranora]

Gilsellers don't need to sell Autumnstones to have their being there justified. There is enough gil in sky drops, enough in selling god gear to people, enough in satisfaction of holding one piece that prevents any legitmate player from completely the puzzle. If you think gilsellers will just stop camping Ullikummi if people don't buy autumnstones, you're sorely mistaken. On Fenrir they kill pop NMs with everyone holding one of the stone, just to force the NM dead, who cares if a stone drops or not. They've been killing Summerstone-less Fausts for months. Even if people didn't buy the stones, they'd do the same to Ullikummi. In time, you have no choice but to give in to their wrath or leave completely. They may be dumb, but they know that much at least.

[Isiolia]

RMT likely already all have Autumnstones, but that's not the point anymore. Point would be to create the "need" to buy from them by inflating demand for the stone through a monopoly. If people start buying en masse, the price will shoot up to whatever they'll keep paying. Sooner or later your LS bank would exist to buy pop items from RMT.


IMO, what SE needs to do regarding RMT is -not- to ban them by force. Things just need to be tweaked so that RMT have no market, and ideally, have their "service" made pointless. No point in buying gil if you could get better gear from Assault/ENM/ISNM/BC/etc that's all non-tradable.

For instance, what if god pop items could be bought with CP or Kindred Seals? Or if you could do an ENM to fight them? That'd be a hoot, put two or three god pop NMs in ENMs together, without a portal to kite around.
Changing things to Olla style would be good too, but if Sky had a makeover like that, I'd be pointing at Sea for a few tweaks as well >.>;

[divisortheory]

IMO, what SE needs to do regarding RMT is -not- to ban them by force. Things just need to be tweaked so that RMT have no market, and ideally, have their "service" made pointless. No point in buying gil if you could get better gear from Assault/ENM/ISNM/BC/etc that's all non-tradable.

Don't forget kids, Smokey Bear says:

Only YOU can change the Ulli pop conditions

[Tordall]

The RMTs only want to maintain their monopoly on Ullikumi/Byakko/Kirin items. It doesn't matter if they don't get a stone b/c they've all got one, as long as YOU don't get one someone is going to be that much more tempted to buy hiadate, osode, or some abjuration that drops from kirin or byakko from them.

[Dj_Shiva]

Let's resurrect Hitler to run FFXI.

[aers]

Ulli only has one PH like that guy said a few pages ago, it just moves around the room. If you want ezmode ulli camping you can find the RuAvitau dat file and edit the 5 PH's names different to keep track of it.

file is setup like so:

Aura Statue
Aura Statue
PH
Aura Statue
Aura Statue
PH
Aura Statue
Aura Statue
PH
Aura Statue
Aura Statue
PH
Aura Statue
Aura Statue
PH
Ullikummi

Basically.. there's 11 statues in the room at all times if nothing is being killed, yet 15 in the dat - 1 switches between 5 different pops or ulli. Killing only this one statue I've seen ulli pop twice within 2 hours :/

If you want to edit the dat remember the name has to stay the same # of characters.

Or you could use an illegal third party program.

PS: OMG SRY I LET UR SEKRET OUT LOL!