Ulli :<

[shinobi_tabi]

pretty gay secret since it requires you to be rng/bst bst/rng or cheating with a 3 party app to let you scan the zone mob list

[Xerlic]

I'm pretty sure on how the Ulli PH works, but my experience is limited since I've only camped a few times since the patch. It's far too frustrating with all the RMTs. If this info is inaccurate, I apologize and will delete the post.

As said, prior to the July patch there were 10 statues. I think of the room as divided into 9 sections:

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Ulli used to pop off of one of the two statues in the 5 section. There is always a set number of statues that spawn in each general area. So if you pulled a statue from section 2 and then killed it, 16 minutes later another statue would spawn in section 2.

With the patch, they added an 11th statue, the new Ulli PH, but it does not have a set spawn location. It can respawn in any of the 9 locations. So if you pulled a statue from section 1 and kill it, and 16 minutes later it respawns in section 7, then that is the Ulli PH. General rule: if a statue respawns nowhere near where it originally spawned, then that is the Ulli PH.

[Roranora]

Considering it's Ullikummi you're camping, it's a pretty fitting secret.

[aers]

I dont even know if it works with widescan.

Edited the .dat myself, but I'm not at home so I can't remember exactly which # it is.

[Shaq]

IMO, what SE needs to do regarding RMT is -not- to ban them by force. Things just need to be tweaked so that RMT have no market, and ideally, have their "service" made pointless. No point in buying gil if you could get better gear from Assault/ENM/ISNM/BC/etc that's all non-tradable.

Don't forget kids, Smokey Bear says:

Only YOU can change the Ulli pop conditions

Seriously, everyone should take this and post it on there linkshell forumns.

[aers]

I'm pretty sure on how the Ulli PH works, but my experience is limited since I've only camped a few times since the patch. It's far too frustrating with all the RMTs. If this info is inaccurate, I apologize and will delete the post.

As said, prior to the July patch there were 10 statues. I think of the room as divided into 9 sections:

789
456
123

Ulli used to pop off of one of the two statues in the 5 section. There is always a set number of statues that spawn in each general area. So if you pulled a statue from section 2 and then killed it, 16 minutes later another statue would spawn in section 2.

With the patch, they added an 11th statue, the new Ulli PH, but it does not have a set spawn location. It can respawn in any of the 9 locations. So if you pulled a statue from section 1 and kill it, and 16 minutes later it respawns in section 7, then that is the Ulli PH. General rule: if a statue respawns nowhere near where it originally spawned, then that is the Ulli PH.

This is a pretty good way of describing it, but remember it can repop in the same spot. And there's really only 5 areas.

[Aodh]

To Roranora and Tordall:

Both your arguments reverted back to you buying something from them. 'They all have stone, so you have to buy from them' essentially. No you don't have to buy from them. Yes you do need to buy the stones to justify them being there. They have to make gil to make money, if you don't buy it they don't make gil, they don't get paid and they don't eat. If you didn't make any money at work to buy food, would you still spend all day working there or would you go somewhere else where you could earn money?

Two years ago when RMT wasn't as prevelant, there was someone on my server who bought a lot of gil, and still does. And he admits it and doesn't think it's wrong. He didn't see how buying gil farmed by RMT encouraged the RMT farmers to keep camping NMs, Gobbue, Fish-botting, etc. A business with out a customer will not make money. If they don't make money they stop.

[Roranora]

Holy shit time for another KI-quality argument.

We all know god damn well there isn't just one group of gilsellers anymore; everything is in control. It's not sky vs Jeuno HNMs, it's sky AND Jeuno HNMs AND sea AND goobbues/spiders/rancorden, etc./whatever. They have enough people everywhere that they don't have to do just what is the most lucrative. They will stay in sky even if no one is buying stones. You motherfucking stupid ass shit bag cunt douchebag blind dumbass idiot fuck: stop saying gilsellers can just go somewhere else; there are gilsellers EVERYWHERE. What game are you playing? There is no alternative; all of the gil routes have people working on them. You can't be naively opistimtic and just insist what you want is going to come true if you tell everyone to do something that in no way changes what people will want ultimately. If it can ever be any source of gil, they'll leech onto it. They will again continue to kill NMs, even if no stone comes out, and the dismal total of autumnstones that legit players get won't go up any. It's clearly not enough to satisfy the people, or you, for that matter. So get whatever Kirin/Byakko items in 2009 that mean so much to you, but at least realize there's no miracle the player community can do in-game to get them out of there.

They're going to be in sky; and I'd at least hope in this environment here we could refrain from a debate about this. The stupid "don't buy their stones" solution that less competent people come up with won't do or prevent anything, at the very least in sky. In theory, it'd work in sea where there are no gil drops whatsoever for them to turn their pop items into and tier1 lotto NMs have little-to-no cooldown.

Gilsellers having gil isn't a problem; it's like you said in the last paragraph: gilsellers having something to do with that gil is the problem. The solution is don't buy gil. I'm not going to care about where my gil goes, nor should I. If there's a cheap shining cloth for an Aristocrat's chance in a bazaar, I'm going to buy it. If it's an RMT mule, the problem is someone then buying that gil. Who cares if gilseller mules have billions of gil they can't do a damn thing with? The deflation everyone loves so much will continue.

[Ithorien]

Super late on the thread and I just skimmed, but how about this-

Rare/Ex?

[Machazareel]

R/E would sorta work, but think about all the times you need people to trade their pop items to someone :\

[Ithorien]

R/E would sorta work, but think about all the times you need people to trade their pop items to someone :\

Oh don't get me wrong, total pain in the ass. But then you just pick people who are there close to 24/7. We have a few people in LS like that, and I could count on them to be there 97.4% of the time.

[Roranora]

Changing pop conditions, changing to Rare/Ex, adding alternative routes to get sky pop items.. all those solutions are on SE's end. Not buying gil is about the only feasible solution on the players' end, and even that doesn't involve actions in-game. As it stands right now, it's just too flawed of a system/design to ever hope to stop an RMT monopoly.

[Machazareel]

They should just let us mpk again, seriously.

[Sidanoir]

They should just let us mpk again, seriously.

Yes, please...I tried claiming statues CFH and kraken them on top of their kite path but seems the AOE didnt hit them /tear

[Aodh]

They have enough people everywhere that they don't have to do just what is the most lucrative.

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You said my point exactly. There is 0 profit if you sell 0 stones. Spending 24 hours to farm 2 items which no one buys doesn't sound very lucrative to me. They get paid for getting the gil and selling it to companies like IGE. Not buying gil means IGE loses money not the people who farm for $2 a day.

No, this doesn't solve ALL gil-buying, but it would discourage them from farming sky if there's no profit in it for them. They are everywhere, it's disgusting how you can't EXP or just walk around without seeing a train of 5 anon people with no ls on follow wearing gear 20 levels below them. Stopping buying gil means will stop the whole business. Stopping buying stones will stop gilsellers camping sky.

You motherfucking stupid ass shit bag cunt douchebag blind dumbass idiot fuck

Really uncalled for in a legitimate discussion.

[Bxbaby]

I don't know about other servers, but at least on Siren, RMT stopped using AOE's and always have /blockaid on now. After the first few times we all MPK'd them, they all caught on.

I'm just waiting for the day I see 2 different RMT groups try to MPK/steal from each other.

[Asswipe]

Not sure about other servers, but mine has a problem with American players that join the Ullikummi campers. Seeing Americans that join them because they want items is really one of the saddest things in this game. What's the point of having Byakko's Haidate if you'll basically never be able to join a real linkshell? Everyone will know you supported the people that turned Tu'Lia into a total nightmare.

[Aodh]

R/E would sorta work, but think about all the times you need people to trade their pop items to someone :\

Oh don't get me wrong, total pain in the ass. But then you just pick people who are there close to 24/7. We have a few people in LS like that, and I could count on them to be there 97.4% of the time.

With my current and last LS, it was generally the Sky leaders who collected all the stones anyways. Limbus chips are r/ex (which is a pain as well sometimes) so it's not like there isn't any precedence. R/Ex would be really nice for all NM drops, and non-ex versions in BCs or not available at all.

[chiz]

Not sure about other servers, but mine has a problem with American players that join the Ullikummi campers. Seeing Americans that join them because they want items is really one of the saddest things in this game. What's the point of having Byakko's Haidate if you'll basically never be able to join a real linkshell? Everyone will know you supported the people that turned Tu'Lia into a total nightmare.

I agree, but personally I think people who knowingly buy from gil sellers are worst. At least the people joining/camping with them are putting in the time and effort heh.

[DontGiveYourPasswordOut]

No need to quote anyone directly, but I look at the GS Ulli thing as a bit of karma upon those who bot kings heavily, apparantly you guys have kept abj's and Ridills harder to obtain for legit LS who dont bot, now the Ulli situation is a taste of your own medicine. I'd like to look at is as trade your Ridill for a Byakko's Haidate. Apparantly you don't have to feel this effects you if your LS claims fafhogg legitamately(lol). But yeah karma sucks, don't complain someone is monopilizing a mob that drops what you need, if you do the same to another mob to keep other LS from getting fafhog loot.