Ulli :<

[Machazareel]

They have enough people everywhere that they don't have to do just what is the most lucrative.

Main Entry: lu·cra·tive
: producing wealth : PROFITABLE

You said my point exactly. There is 0 profit if you sell 0 stones. Spending 24 hours to farm 2 items which no one buys doesn't sound very lucrative to me. They get paid for getting the gil and selling it to companies like IGE. Not buying gil means IGE loses money not the people who farm for $2 a day.

No, this doesn't solve ALL gil-buying, but it would discourage them from farming sky if there's no profit in it for them. They are everywhere, it's disgusting how you can't EXP or just walk around without seeing a train of 5 anon people with no ls on follow wearing gear 20 levels below them. Stopping buying gil means will stop the whole business. Stopping buying stones will stop gilsellers camping sky.

You motherfucking stupid ass shit bag cunt douchebag blind dumbass idiot fuck

Really uncalled for in a legitimate discussion.

The main issue, though, is that even if they don't sell those stones, they can still use them to make money. Byakko drops some nice money drops, and also one of the seals to pop Kirin, who drops even more money drops. They'll unfortunately always have an incentive to camp. Their time:money ratio probably won't be quite as high as just liquidating the stones into gil in rolanberry like they're doing now, but it will still yield a fair amount.

[aurik]

Newsflash, the huge amount of deflation we're still seeing is heavily influenced by the fact that the RMT are sucking in upwards of 30m per day and not selling anywhere near that much.

Remember last Christmas? More importantly, remember last October? The market practically died for no discernable reason for 2-3 months solid, while the RMT siphoned off a huge amount of excess gil.

[Lazysmurf]

Does anyone else find it funny that Ulli pop condition wasn't changed after this recent update? I mean, you figured with all those suggestions to SE, they'll change it already, right?

But what if the reason why they haven't change it is because no one has really found out his condition?

From all the forums i've read, these are the things i've came across that seem to fit from varies posters.

1. only 1 PH
2. has no timer
3. lottery only

What if there were more to his pop condition? I mean, ppl have seen it pop between 2hr-18hr after ToD. Do you think SE would make it that long knowing that will screw countless of ppl over?

What if there were something else missing to make it spwn... Like keeping 50% of the statues alive after finding and killing the PH.

*15min later after a cig and hotpocket*

ya screw SE and whoever came up with this spwn condition in the first place needs to be take out to the street and be shot.....bored at work...

[Talis]

What if there were more to his pop condition? I mean, ppl have seen it pop between 2hr-18hr after ToD. Do you think SE would make it that long knowing that will screw countless of ppl over?

Yes.

[Alastaire]

What if there were more to his pop condition? I mean, ppl have seen it pop between 2hr-18hr after ToD. Do you think SE would make it that long knowing that will screw countless of ppl over?

Yes.

[Ryko]

No need to quote anyone directly, but I look at the GS Ulli thing as a bit of karma upon those who bot kings heavily, apparantly you guys have kept abj's and Ridills harder to obtain for legit LS who dont bot, now the Ulli situation is a taste of your own medicine. I'd like to look at is as trade your Ridill for a Byakko's Haidate. Apparantly you don't have to feel this effects you if your LS claims fafhogg legitamately(lol). But yeah karma sucks, don't complain someone is monopilizing a mob that drops what you need, if you do the same to another mob to keep other LS from getting fafhog loot.

Yeah because it's not like there are sky only LSes that get just as fucked over by gilsellers being there or anything.

rite? rite? mirite?

[Machazareel]

Logic has no place when you're trying to belittle others!

[Coephoros]

Newsflash, the huge amount of deflation we're still seeing is heavily influenced by the fact that the RMT are sucking in upwards of 30m per day and not selling anywhere near that much.

Remember last Christmas? More importantly, remember last October? The market practically died for no discernable reason for 2-3 months solid, while the RMT siphoned off a huge amount of excess gil.

I don't think that's exactly correct. It suggests that RMT are hording gil and buyers have stopped buying, which doesn't make sense given that gil prices aren't dropping.

Rather, I think that last Winter inflation was the product of at least one subsequently-patched gil duping exploit. Gil was available on a magnitude far in excess of a measly few hundred million a day. The continued deflation is a result of the wholesale elimination of gil from banned accounts (didn't SE say they'd elimited hundred of billions of gil from the servers earlier this year?) Since that time, the remaining wealth has been slowly redistributing itself resulting in a steady, measured deflation.

I anticipate more inflation over the next 2 months as players come into a bit more pocket change from the holdiays, but nothing close to resembling last year's debacle.

[Vedder]

Remember last Christmas? More importantly, remember last October? The market practically died for no discernable reason for 2-3 months solid, while the RMT siphoned off a huge amount of excess gil.

About when did the Christmas deluge start last year? I remember seeing all the screenies of SH up to 17mil or whatever it was, but I don't remember when things got to that point or when they started.

I am trying to discern what the best strategy is for me personally if similar events to last year occur. Anyone out there willing to share their plans?

[Machazareel]

Now is a good time to buy if that's what you're thinking.

[aurik]

Remember last Christmas? More importantly, remember last October? The market practically died for no discernable reason for 2-3 months solid, while the RMT siphoned off a huge amount of excess gil.

About when did the Christmas deluge start last year? I remember seeing all the screenies of SH up to 17mil or whatever it was, but I don't remember when things got to that point or when they started.

I am trying to discern what the best strategy is for me personally if similar events to last year occur. Anyone out there willing to share their plans?

Started about 15-20th december last year. Prior to that, I'd been try to sell aristo, sh+1, and royal cloak for over a month with not even so much as a nibble.

[Vedder]

Now is a good time to buy if that's what you're thinking.

I tend to agree with what Coephoros posted on the previous page... but I also know that it might not be the best time to have a 7-8 figure gil bank cause the chance of big inflation is looming.

[Roranora]

The plethora of profanity is entirely a joke; sorry if you missed my prod at internet arguing in general. As for lucrative, sky is just that, even without the stones sold. Let's have an idealistic thought that nothing rare/ex or rare is sold. You still have Behemoth hides, Divine Logs, Shining Cloths, Venomous Claws, ignoring stones and Osodes. Gilsellers will be there. They will not go elsewhere, because they already are elsewhere.

So..

Stopping buying stones will stop gilsellers camping sky.

still is incorrect. In theory it'd work in sea, but not sky, though Novio/Novia will soon be treated like Osodes are now, another debate entirely.

[Machazareel]

The size of the inflation will most likely not be on the same scale as last year, but a certain level can be expected, regardless.
Currenty prices are extremely low on a variety of high-end items, and they probably won't be getting too much lower before christmas rolls around.

[TsingTao]

Newsflash, the huge amount of deflation we're still seeing is heavily influenced by the fact that the RMT are sucking in upwards of 30m per day and not selling anywhere near that much.

Remember last Christmas? More importantly, remember last October? The market practically died for no discernable reason for 2-3 months solid, while the RMT siphoned off a huge amount of excess gil.

I don't think that's exactly correct. It suggests that RMT are hording gil and buyers have stopped buying, which doesn't make sense given that gil prices aren't dropping.

Rather, I think that last Winter inflation was the product of at least one subsequently-patched gil duping exploit. Gil was available on a magnitude far in excess of a measly few hundred million a day. The continued deflation is a result of the wholesale elimination of gil from banned accounts (didn't SE say they'd elimited hundred of billions of gil from the servers earlier this year?) Since that time, the remaining wealth has been slowly redistributing itself resulting in a steady, measured deflation.

I anticipate more inflation over the next 2 months as players come into a bit more pocket change from the holdiays, but nothing close to resembling last year's debacle.

Gil has slowly been redistributing itself in to RMT pockets. The absolute swarm of RMT crafters isn't spreading out a thing. It's pulling money in from everywhere...not just high ticket city HNM or Sky synth drops. Consumers give all their AH cash to RMT, crafters get far less of our cash with their synths.

Holding all that gil and leaving prices high creates pent up demand. At the holidays when IGE has their "Massive 50% off Holiday Blow Out Sale!!!" people will go bonkers for "cheap gil". Expect another big hit. It won't spike as high as last time (less raw $ in circulation) but once you adjust prices to this year's economy vs. last I don't think it will be any less of a spike.

[divisortheory]

I'm going to laugh when people start buying tons of shit expecting a christmas inflation, then 3 months from now everyone realizes it was all in vain then they all try to sell everything at the same time, causing even more deflation and they all lose tons of money.

[Machazareel]

That's what silly people would do, but if you're able to sit on the items now, then there's no reason you can't sit on them for a while longer.

[Zetah]

Times like this make me happy to have a Byakko's Haidate, impossible to get now. Haidate > body abjs.

[Coephoros]

Gil has slowly been redistributing itself in to RMT pockets. The absolute swarm of RMT crafters isn't spreading out a thing. It's pulling money in from everywhere...not just high ticket city HNM or Sky synth drops. Consumers give all their AH cash to RMT, crafters get far less of our cash with their synths.

Holding all that gil and leaving prices high creates pent up demand. At the holidays when IGE has their "Massive 50% off Holiday Blow Out Sale!!!" people will go bonkers for "cheap gil". Expect another big hit. It won't spike as high as last time (less raw $ in circulation) but once you adjust prices to this year's economy vs. last I don't think it will be any less of a spike.

Your conclusion doesn't follow. From a business perspective, it would be extremely foolish of IGE to be hording gil in anticipation of holding a "holiday blowout" or some such nonsense. And why would they horde it at high prices just so they could throw it away at bargain basement discounts? Holding all of that gil and leaving their prices high does not create demand, it is a REACTION to either low demand and/or low supply. Coupled with the fact that IGE has most certainly suffered severe losses from the IGE account purges, as well as lost opportunity from potential sellers, I'm quite certain that they're much more in tune with the risks of holding a large amount of gil over an extended period of time.

Not sure what you're getting at in your first paragraph. 10 crafters (whether RMT or not) buying 10 sets of synth materials (whether from RMT sources or not) and selling 10 items to buyers (whether RMT or not) doesn't have anything to do with the fact that RMT is not a one-way street and cash is getting redistributed. Gil isn't being horded, there's less of it, it's more spread around, and prices are dropping.

[divisortheory]

It really puzzles me that people honestly think that the circumstances this year are even remotely similar to the circumstances last year