TOS change

[Devek]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

[Hyjynx]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

How the fuck? Yea and so's calling your friends on the phone.

[Aodh]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

No hypothetical situations please. We all know that people who play FFXI don't have their own homes, lives or friends.

[Larkwynn]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

My wife and I still use Tparty when we're working off latents and skillchaining with each other. And we can see each others screens >.>

[Hyjynx]

All that stuff

Sorry but whether it "hurts someone" or "hurts the game" is all up to subjective definition. Does it change things WITHIN the game to enable options, abilities, or information that you dont have access without said tools? That's the only question to ask.

Parsers arent cheating... If a parser is cheating, so is Fraps. Those tools dont change the game in any way. They simply record information that S-E gives you access to.

S-E OBVIOUSLY doesn't see something like fraps as cheating because the fan festival's video contest could only be achieved with a tool like fraps.

[miokomioko]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

Last I checked, Teamspeak/Ventrillo is not third party software that has any involvement with the FFXI application. That point is moot.

[MrLahey]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

and typing /p My TP is = <tp>


... wait a minute

[mastergara]

Hey miokomioko,

You parse information, right?

[Devek]

If Tparty is a cheat.. so is ventrillo/teamspeak and inviting friends over to your house to play next to you.

Last I checked, Teamspeak/Ventrillo is not third party software that has any involvement with the FFXI application. That point is moot.

Teamspeak is a third party program that gives you an unfair advantage over people who play on ps2.

Communication is unfair and SE should do something asap.

[miokomioko]

Hey miokomioko,

You parse information, right?

No, I don't. I'm not a fan of key-loggers.

[edit] if this is referring to any testing and calculating I've done in regards to lolpup attachments in another thread, my 3rd party tools are:

Pen
Paper
Calculator
&
Highschool mathematics.

[Hyjynx]

Last I checked, Teamspeak/Ventrillo is not third party software that has any involvement with the FFXI application. That point is moot.

Teamspeak is a third party program that gives you an unfair advantage over people on ps2 players.

Communication is unfair and SE should do something asap.[/quote]
Yes and so does your cellphone. S-E should send letters to T-mobile and Cingular to get them to stop their nefarious antics.

Logic {Do you need it?}

[miokomioko]

Teamspeak is a third party program that gives you an unfair advantage over people on ps2 players.

No, it does not.

[Hyjynx]

Teamspeak is a third party program that gives you an unfair advantage over people on ps2 players.

Communication is unfair and SE should do something asap.

Yes and so does your cellphone. S-E should send letters to T-mobile and Cingular to get them to stop their nefarious antics.

Logic {Do you need it?}

I once called my friend to tell him what time Dynamis was because he wasnt logged on and couldnt check the lsmes.
I'm such a lil cheater hehe

[Fhqwghads]

Hey miokomioko,

You parse information, right?

Trap.

[mastergara]

Not Trap, just curious. Am truly interested as to why you are so adamant.

Many good arguements brought forth in this, and as many equally silly arguments.

Can anyone point me to the section in the EULA that states 3rd party programs are against the TOS? Much appreciated.

[Tordall]

Parsers don't have to intereact directly with FFXI. You can just look at the log files being generated by FFXI. That can even be done by another computer if those files are remote mounted.

[Kimiko]

Not Trap, just curious. Am truly interested as to why you are so adamant.

Many good arguements brought forth in this, and as many equally silly arguments.

Can anyone point me to the section in the EULA that states 3rd party programs are against the TOS? Much appreciated.

(i) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices; or

That would very well include 3rd party programs of any sort, weither they give you an unfair advantage or not.

[miokomioko]

I think what's causing disagreements and miscommunication here is that people's definition of "cheating" are definitely not consistant.

For me, making a game easier through use of anything outside of the content of the game that others don't have resonably fair access to as well = cheating.

Like we see here, some people think [cheating = hurting other people], or [cheating = making things unreasonably easier], or even as far as [cheating = altering the game code itself].

For me, it's extremely black&white, cut&dry, or whatever phrase you use.

[mastergara]

For me, it's extremely black&white, cut&dry, or whatever phrase you use.

Or the expression I used early, as Myopic. You only see as what you want to see. :D

per your definition:

[cheating = hurting other people], or [cheating = making things unreasonably easier], or even as far as [cheating = altering the game code itself].

"Unreasonably easier" is the only one that can even remotely apply to plugins that dont alter the game code itself, nor hurt other people, and even then, tis not a free pass to 75 on all jobs with all the leet gear.

For me, making a game easier through use of anything outside of the content of the game that others don't have resonably fair access to as well = cheating.

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[MrLahey]

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