PUP endgame?

[Septimus]

I'm a Dragoon and everything you hate about Dragoons, we hate about Dragoons.
It's like our own civil war... and you got the Dragoons, and the lolDRGs.

I like Dragoons, but I hate lolDRGs.
Everytime Dragoons want to have a good time, ignorant ass lolDRGs gotta fck it up.
Can't keep a party going for more than 20 minutes... Grand Opening! Grand Closing!
Can't go to Lower Jeuno no more cuz lolDRGs are /shouting for help. "Hey, my AF Helm is so good I gotta bust a /shout up in here!"

There's nothing an lolDRG likes better than wearing full AF. "Hey lolDRG, what body piece you have?"
"I gots me Drachen Mail! I keeps it real!"

lolDRGs love to keep it real... real gimp

fe fi fo fragoon, boy I hates an lolDRG

LOL

That was an awesome piece of stand up comedy, and it works so well with Dragoons too...

[Guyverarmor]

this thread reminds me of the one someone posted about the relic lance fully upgraded that went like 45pages with nothing but loldrg. People are just going to flame these kinds of threads ;;

The DRG in question who got the Relic was, in fact, a lolDRG. We still need a good DRG to get the damn thing to see what it can do.

First, I play on midgar with Deeds, and hes by far not a lolDRG.. he may be not up to your bitch-ass standards, so fucking deal with It.

Secondly, would be nice to see PUP more updated. Have It at lvl 35, so far its fun to me (atleast more than BST)

[cassiraa]

First, I play on midgar with Deeds, and hes by far not a lolDRG.. he may be not up to your bitch-ass standards, so fucking deal with It.

Not to permanently derail, but if I'm not mistaken he refused/declined to do any WS mod testes and also willingly wore barone armour in XP. I think it was more his attitude of "cool, relic" instead of a scientific approach of what is the best way to utilize it and be the best you can be. [i.e. /SAM (Pre-Hasso) and using sushi at Cerberus]

On topic, They need to add an attachment that will effectivly scale the puppet up to the targets level. I had thought origionally that the Tier II attachments were intended to do this, but they fell short on hNMs. I mean something like the way cannonball works, Using the enemy's higher defence as a modifier to the damage of the attack.

[Thistle]

You can replace Dragoon and DRG with Dark Knight and DRK (also change a few details) and that post keeps all its truthiness.

I was going to say that as well, then went out for lunch and got distracted by work instead of posting.

Especially the AF part.

There's nothing an lolDRG likes better than wearing full AF. "Hey lolDRG, what body piece you have?"
"I gots me Drachen Mail! I keeps it real!"

DRKs who XP in their AF should be shot.

I have a theory: With few exceptions, the better AF looks, the worse its stats are. DRK AF looks great, but you shouldn't wear it for any other reason other than that.

[Rocl]

I disagree, I think RDM AF looks nice and it's 3/5 useful >_>

[Shiznicle]

I disagree, I think RDM AF looks nice and it's 3/5 useful >_>

Same for Corsair.

[Awoir]

I disagree, I think RDM AF looks nice and it's 3/5 useful >_>

Legs Hands Feet?

[Rocl]

I disagree, I think RDM AF looks nice and it's 3/5 useful >_>

Legs Hands Feet?

ABSOLUTELY
My Warlock's boots do a wonderful job of helping my mannequin block those hits and the gloves MAN his parry skill is insane in his fancy lil Optical Hat

[Thistle]

With few exceptions,

Covered myself~ :D

[Rocl]

With few exceptions,

Covered myself~ :D

whatever my mannequin is more useful than a puppetmaster will ever be OH BURN

TALK ABOUT THE ULTIMATE PUPPET

[Kross]

FFXI is all about bandwagon.

Once someone figures out something to exploit with PUP, it'll be the next rage.

One thing that is certain tho, there's still lots of room for expansion for PUP as opposed to lots of nerfing for BLU.

If you lvled PUP you'll be delighted to see the new stuff it gets with the next updates.

Be different, lvl PUP.

[Melisande]

FFXI is all about bandwagon.

Once someone figures out something to exploit with DRG, it'll be the next rage.

One thing that is certain tho, there's still lots of room for expansion for DRG as opposed to lots of nerfing for NIN.

If you lvled DRG you'll be delighted to see the new stuff it gets with the next updates.

Be different, lvl DRG.

[Khamsin]

FFXI is all about bandwagon.

Once someone figures out something to exploit with DRG, it'll be the next rage.

One thing that is certain tho, there's still lots of room for expansion for DRG as opposed to lots of nerfing for NIN.

If you lvled DRG you'll be delighted to see the new stuff it gets with the next updates.

Be different, lvl DRG.

Except DRG was once good, then got nerfed.

PUP never has been good... yet.

[Melisande]

FFXI is all about bandwagon.

Once someone figures out something to exploit with DRG, it'll be the next rage.

One thing that is certain tho, there's still lots of room for expansion for DRG as opposed to lots of nerfing for NIN.

If you lvled DRG you'll be delighted to see the new stuff it gets with the next updates.

Be different, lvl DRG.

Except DRG was once good, then got nerfed.

PUP never has been good... yet.

Yeah but don't tell me you haven't heard that before.

[Tom Chambers]

[quote=Elmer the Pointy]

Unfortunately, in a game based on spike damaging the hell out of everything, "damage over time" isn't so great, no matter how consistent.

Huh?

um... what's confusing you?

Axe-burn
Mana-burn
Rampage
Asuran Fists
bone parties
Kirin zerged in 98 seconds
WS macro swaps
Sidewinder
Lvl 70+ Blood pacts
Double Minuet
Sneak/Trick Attack WS[/quote:c4a72]

I don't think you know what 'spike damage' means.

[Kazen]

I disagree, I think RDM AF looks nice and it's 3/5 useful >_>

Legs Hands Feet?

ABSOLUTELY
My Warlock's boots do a wonderful job of helping my mannequin block those hits and the gloves MAN his parry skill is insane in his fancy lil Optical Hat

And for the rest (Body and Hat) theres Rdm Jse! Not really (jse fucking sucks) but.. yeah Rdm AF is pretty decent considering its a AF (minus feet and hands).

[Khamsin]

[quote=Tom Chambers][quote="Elmer the Pointy":9d202]

Unfortunately, in a game based on spike damaging the hell out of everything, "damage over time" isn't so great, no matter how consistent.

Huh?

um... what's confusing you?

Axe-burn
Mana-burn
Rampage
Asuran Fists
bone parties
Kirin zerged in 98 seconds
WS macro swaps
Sidewinder
Lvl 70+ Blood pacts
Double Minuet
Sneak/Trick Attack WS[/quote:9d202]

I don't think you know what 'spike damage' means.[/quote:9d202]

Well he sorta has the right concept of spike damage, but listed a lot of repeats and kinda missed the mark with some of it.

Axe-burn See: Rampage
Mana-burn OK
Rampage OK
Asuran Fists OK
bone parties See: Asuran Fists
Kirin zerged in 98 seconds See: Rampage, Asuran Fists, Sidewinder
WS macro swaps Um...
Sidewinder OK
Lvl 70+ Blood pacts OK
Double Minuet Um...
Sneak/Trick Attack WS Sorta OK, but still a WS

Some of those are the same thing (e.g. Axe-burn and Rampage), and some aren't spike damage at all (e.g. double minuet and WS macro swaps), and half of them are just names of WSs, and could just be grouped under... Weaponskills, or TP burn. So the real list is actually:

• TP burn
  Manaburn
  70+ Blood Pacts

[Lithiani]

Here's a thought. PUP Kiter. Especially for the "initial aggro kite" situations. They have a naturally high evasion, can stack a LOT of +Evade gear, have those +Enmity Sainti, and you can set the Automaton up to throw (hateless?) cures, if I remember the PUP tanking flamewars correctly.

Tell me why I'm stupid.

I realise we're enjoying bitching about lolDRG and PUPs, but this was a genuine attempt to find a good use for them. Thoughts?

[Tom Chambers]

Maybe, but then what's DoT? Everyone I know refers to things such as SATA Ground Strike, -aga III, SAMs Meding then WSing as "Spike Damage". And WAR/NINs, MNKs, NINs, all as DoT.

He seems to think the only thing that's really 'DoT' is shitty DoT...I dunno, like a PUP. And of course no one in the game wants that.

[Melisande]

Here's a thought. PUP Kiter. Especially for the "initial aggro kite" situations. They have a naturally high evasion, can stack a LOT of +Evade gear, have those +Enmity Sainti, and you can set the Automaton up to throw (hateless?) cures, if I remember the PUP tanking flamewars correctly.

Tell me why I'm stupid.

I realise we're enjoying bitching about lolDRG and PUPs, but this was a genuine attempt to find a good use for them. Thoughts?

PUP:Evasion B 250
NIN:Evasion A- 269
THF:Evasion A+ 276
Also
Monk: B+ 256
Samurai: B+ 256

Tell your sams to wear SH and voke!