Will the IGE holiday sale happen again (dec)

[Demosthenes11]

Unless the RMT have huge amounts of gil on characters that we are not aware of, prices will not change much, if even at all. The RMT don't have enough gil as it is to sell to people, maybe there won't even be a pricecut.

We have seen only deflation the last year and seen no reason why it will change.

[Khamsin]

Unless the RMT have huge amounts of gil on characters that we are not aware of, prices will not change much, if even at all. The RMT don't have enough gil as it is to sell to people, maybe there won't even be a pricecut.

We have seen only deflation the last year and seen no reason why it will change.

It'd be funny if RMT was amassing large sums of gil to prepare for a huge Christmas blowout, then the bank mule gets deleted right before they could sell it.

[shinobi_tabi]

On the other hand, RMT's also create Gil at an uneven rate compared to the normal player- whether that's botfishing/farming or synthwork 24/7.

I think you overestimate fishbotting. I also do not remember what synthing does to create gil.

you undersetimate
they could technically pull up 100 coral frags per char. per acct. per day
they can be npc'd for 2k~gil each coral frag, although it would net them more gil to auction it, but if they didn't...they could npc and create that much gil.

That, or if you don't have fishers, let Jelly botters cut loose in Korrokola. Figure a thf main can get say 1-2 a kill, excluding morion, 24k a stack on my server, yes, couple million a day, depends on competition

well yea people get the idea now
but i was trying to say it about items that npc for 1k gil or more since that is technically alot if there was no gil in the system

[Tordall]

Unless the RMT have huge amounts of gil on characters that we are not aware of, prices will not change much, if even at all. The RMT don't have enough gil as it is to sell to people, maybe there won't even be a pricecut.

We have seen only deflation the last year and seen no reason why it will change.

It'd be funny if RMT was amassing large sums of gil to prepare for a huge Christmas blowout, then the bank mule gets deleted right before they could sell it.

That's kinda what I think is gonna happen. I think capping the delivery box amounts made it much easier for SE to track that money.

With regaurds to crafting/NPCing items generating gil. For certain craft items the NQs simply don't sell, but will NPC for significant amounts (well it didn't used to be a decent amount, but now that prices are so low, it is). One of the synths where I make money has materials costs of about 60k (from the AH), and if I NPC all the NQ results I ussually make back 30-40k.

[Quebe]

I think capping the delivery box amounts made it much easier for SE to track that money.

Do you really think its easier to track people trading gil as apposed to having the gil sit in a delivery box. I don't think they capped transactions to make it easier to track, but they did it to make it harder for RMT to make transactions with players.

[divisortheory]

How is it easier to track in the first place? lol.

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I suppose if SE really wanted to track gil movement they could setup some kind of script that would record every single trade interaction and/or delivery box sending, with the amount of gil sent and the parties involved.

But that kinda sounds like a far-fetched measure to take to me. I'm not any kind of programmer or anything, but it seems like that would take a lot of processing power and server power, just because of the sheer number of interactions that happen every day.

[Kuponut]

They actually track the gil? I thought they just banned level 1 accounts with lots of gil.

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I don't think they actually track it at the moment.

[Khamsin]

They actually track the gil? I thought they just banned level 1 accounts with lots of gil.

The smart RMT companies keep their gil on level 2 mules.

[Evelyn]

A level 1 mule account with lots of money doesn't neccesarily mean its RMT. i've got a level 1 mule that I use for AH transactions with my gardening mules, and it usually has more money than my main does. I'm sure there are people that have mules sitting at an AH just to buy stuff for their main when they're away from jeuno area AHs (ie buy ammo when you're in sandy and too lazy to run to jeuno or something).

Many LSs also have accounts specifically for bank mules, keeping their LS funds and items on it. How many of them are level 1, or close to it? Usually they're connected to many different accounts.

What you need to look out for isn't the type of stuff that the person uses, but track where they're getting the money and where its going. Thus the "sting operations": buy money from an RMT site, get the money from someone, then ban every account associated with the person you got the money from.

About the whole inflation/deflation thing: crafting, farming, fishing, whatever, *IN AND OF ITSELF* doesn't create gil. RMT are focused on getting as much for their stuff as they can, just like the rest of us. They're not going to worry about selling an item to an NPC for 2k, just to create gil, when they can sell the same item on the AH for 10k. Same thing with the types of things they farm: they're not gonna spend their time farming/fishing/whatever just to sell items to NPCs for 50k an hour, when they could be doing something else to sell on the AH to make 100k an hour.

To me, RMT seem to be concerned with the percentage of money they control across the server, not the actual amount of gil they own. I'm sure RMT would rather have 500 million gil when theres only 1 billion on the server, instead of 2 billion gil when theres 10 billion across the server. that 500 million would be worth more, thus they could sell it to gil buyers for more.

[Plow]

gotta agree about the level 1 mules thing, I have 2 mules right now that have more gil on them than my main has because I haven't needed to buy anything major lately

[Kuponut]

A level 1 mule account with lots of money doesn't neccesarily mean its RMT. i've got a level 1 mule that I use for AH transactions with my gardening mules, and it usually has more money than my main does. I'm sure there are people that have mules sitting at an AH just to buy stuff for their main when they're away from jeuno area AHs (ie buy ammo when you're in sandy and too lazy to run to jeuno or something).

Many LSs also have accounts specifically for bank mules, keeping their LS funds and items on it. How many of them are level 1, or close to it? Usually they're connected to many different accounts.

What you need to look out for isn't the type of stuff that the person uses, but track where they're getting the money and where its going. Thus the "sting operations": buy money from an RMT site, get the money from someone, then ban every account associated with the person you got the money from.

About the whole inflation/deflation thing: crafting, farming, fishing, whatever, *IN AND OF ITSELF* doesn't create gil. RMT are focused on getting as much for their stuff as they can, just like the rest of us. They're not going to worry about selling an item to an NPC for 2k, just to create gil, when they can sell the same item on the AH for 10k. Same thing with the types of things they farm: they're not gonna spend their time farming/fishing/whatever just to sell items to NPCs for 50k an hour, when they could be doing something else to sell on the AH to make 100k an hour.

To me, RMT seem to be concerned with the percentage of money they control across the server, not the actual amount of gil they own. I'm sure RMT would rather have 500 million gil when theres only 1 billion on the server, instead of 2 billion gil when theres 10 billion across the server. that 500 million would be worth more, thus they could sell it to gil buyers for more.

I made the "...thought they just banned level 1 accounts with lots of gil." statement because in the past with their RMT Countermeasures, they banned some legit non-RMT accounts just because they didn't have active characters on it, but had lots of gil.

[mikazuki]

yep some legitimate linkshell banks got hit that way, but the accounts were unbanned on request.

it's really easy to track everyone who trades 1m+ gil in lower jeuno, if recording pos SE can even record only the transactions that take place next to subash, easy to program, no major lag effect.
SE are more likely to ban the character giving the gil than paying any attention to the one taking it, but maybe they'll instate of a policy of making courtesy calls on players who just got 5m gil from ige^^

[Mizango]

Unless the RMT have huge amounts of gil on characters that we are not aware of, prices will not change much, if even at all. The RMT don't have enough gil as it is to sell to people, maybe there won't even be a pricecut.

We have seen only deflation the last year and seen no reason why it will change.

It'd be funny if RMT was amassing large sums of gil to prepare for a huge Christmas blowout, then the bank mule gets deleted right before they could sell it.

Now THAT would be funny.

[HAcoreRD]

Unless the RMT have huge amounts of gil on characters that we are not aware of, prices will not change much, if even at all. The RMT don't have enough gil as it is to sell to people, maybe there won't even be a pricecut.

We have seen only deflation the last year and seen no reason why it will change.

It'd be funny if RMT was amassing large sums of gil to prepare for a huge Christmas blowout, then the bank mule gets deleted right before they could sell it.

Now THAT would be funny.

Could happen, I'd figure SE would be ready for another RMT banning by the end of November. Then the prices will begin to change.

[Navia]

Gogo fishbotting and desynthing!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../lolsilver.jpg

Anyone that's got enough time to produce 19 stacks of ingots or more in about 12 hours seems shady ya think?
I personally bought over 20 stacks from the AH with this same fucker listing them on the AH cause the price was so low (~17k a stack). The price spiked a little but the supply they have seems inexhaustable since my name scrolled off even ffxiah's history in less than a fully day.

Apparently we've got some anons in yughott fishing shit up 24/7 cause there's noone sitting at the gs guilds or ring shops busting crystals there.

Even with desynthing someone that can produce 50+ stacks of ingots in less than 2 days is shady as fuck don't you think?
Why does fishing even let you get rusty stuff when fatigued?

[HAcoreRD]

what items was that, holy shit man, I'm in the wrong business I swear

[DnightX]

what items was that, holy shit man, I'm in the wrong business I swear

I want to know also :D . I see like 7-8 people (all rmt) fish botting there all the time.

[TsingTao]

what items was that, holy shit man, I'm in the wrong business I swear

I want to know also :D . I see like 7-8 people (all rmt) fish botting there all the time.

Well, he's talking about bot fishing in the Grotto so I'd guess it was stacks of silver ingots.

One of the items you can fish up there is a Silver Ring. Trade them all to a goldsmith and they crack them for lots of ingots.