Alla pics!

[isladar]

No homo.

[Tricen]

It's too late to apologize

[Boko]

It's too laaaaaaaate

[Nightfyre]

It's not too late for you to post your gear!

[Boko]

Anyway, getting the thread back on track. Someone on Alla decided Ninja is too overpowered now and they are not happy about it.

I can understand Ninja was due for an update. That's all fine and dandy.

But what the hell SE. Have you never heard of moderation?

Enmity+30% and only cutting 30 acc, not even 30% acc.

That's not just completely overpowered, it just bumped any other job out of ever being able to tank again.

What's more, it also gives enhanced Evasion and apparently DOES NOT CONSUME NINJUTSU TOOLS.

This isnt just too much, it's simply a complete outrage.

Adjust this. Not just cut the Ninjutsu Tool Expertise down to 10% instead of 100%, but also reduce the Enmity+ to 10 points, and make it decline down to 0.

On top of this, make the negative ACC STAY, and not decline down to nothing.

Right now, there's not a single thing keeping a ninja from fulltiming this at all times. In the end, this gives them a full (and higher than most jobs can get) enmity boost at all time, higher evasion while the "penalty" might as well not have existed at all since it does absolutely nothing. Especially when just used to fight HNM's without using your weapons.

[Limlight]

Do it here: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/78628...ding-ring.html

There's like three separate retarded arguments going on simultaneously in this thread. Knock it off.

/exeunting

[Karbuncle]

Do it here: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/78628...ding-ring.html

There's like three separate retarded arguments going on simultaneously in this thread. Knock it off.

>.> think you mean here.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/79426...ing-mules.html

/exeunt ... ?

[Gunnerks]

Anyway, getting the thread back on track. Someone on Alla decided Ninja is too overpowered now and they are not happy about it.

You should stop beating around the bush and post what ever shitty gear you have so we can redefine irony.

[Khiinroye]

Does DMG = Attack?

Since 75 levels of a melee job isn't enough to figure this out yourself. He got a nice augment though.

[Argettio]

Does DMG = Attack?

Since 75 levels of a melee job isn't enough to figure this out yourself. He got a nice augment though.

More proof:

Gimps get all the luck

[Karbuncle]

More proof:

Gimps get all the luck

Been sayin that for years.

if you want something good, just show up to Events in the gimpest shit you can find for your level, or full AF, either or guarantees highest lot and/or great augments

[Argettio]

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

Askar > Turban thread.

[Boko]

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

Askar > Turban thread.

They (well most of 'they') are saying there are times when Askar can be better than Turban. It is usually special circumstances (i.e. already hitting the haste cap, etc). The difference is small either way and I agree I usually would side with the extra 1% haste from Turban, but merely discussing the pros/cons of each isn't exactly "lol" worthy.

[Argettio]

They (well most of 'they') are saying there are times when Askar can be better than Turban. It is usually special circumstances (i.e. already hitting the haste cap, etc). The difference is small either way and I agree I usually would side with the extra 1% haste from Turban, but merely discussing the pros/cons of each isn't exactly "lol" worthy.

Their maths is the lol part.

3 attack = 0.6% increase in melee damage (which is true against EM, but when do you ever fight EM without capped acc?)

I am not denying there are situations where askar is better. The point is, you shouldn't ever be in the section where Askar is better.

Spoiler: show

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...askarpwned.jpg

Credit to Jakey on qcdn.org for the chart (I think it was his)

[Boko]

Yes, I agree. And personally my Askar helm never leaves my mog safe. Its just one of those things that is such a small difference that when I see someone wearing Askar head, I don't immidetly think the person is an idiot. I don't believe it should be required to do extensive research for things like this where the difference cannot be seen except through parsing. That amount of attention to detail should not be required to enjoy the game in my opinion. A DRG in full relic wearing AGI or CHR rings is another story. But I realize this is BG, and as such we take the small upgrades very seriously and that's ok too.

[Argettio]

Yes, I agree. And personally my Askar helm never leaves my mog safe. Its just one of those things that is such a small difference that when I see someone wearing Askar head, I don't immidetly think the person is an idiot. I don't believe it should be required to do extensive research for things like this where the difference cannot be seen except through parsing. That amount of attention to detail should not be required to enjoy the game in my opinion. A DRG in full relic wearing AGI or CHR rings is another story. But I realize this is BG, and as such we take the small upgrades very seriously and that's ok too.

You are missing my point. They aren't wearing it because they don't know which is better, they are saying they can prove Askar is better.

Its the maths, not the item.

If I can't do the maths for a certain question I shut up, they plough in and get it horribly wrong.

And 95% of every 'upgrade' in the game can only be seen in a parse. This is a game of 0.5%s

[Boko]

You are missing my point. They aren't wearing it because they don't know which is better, they are saying they can prove Askar is better.

Its the maths, not the item.

If I can't do the maths for a certain question I shut up, they plough in and get it horribly wrong.

And 95% of every 'upgrade' in the game can only be seen in a parse. This is a game of 0.5%s

Ok. Yeah, I can agree if you are going to argue math with someone, but are proven wrong, then you deserve to be called out.

[Nightfyre]

Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

Askar > Turban thread.

That's the 0.99% at the beginning... but seriously, DoT being only half your damage, and no treatment of the STR's effect on WSes?

The guy is an idiot, and Askar probably would pull ahead for you in situations where it gives the full accuracy, though it's likely in the hundredths-of-a-percent difference range.

STR on your TP gear affects WS guys, we should all TP in STR rings.

Thank you for that post later in the thread Argettio, though it'll probably get buried...

[Saithorx]

I don't believe it should be required to do extensive research for things like this where the difference cannot be seen except through parsing.

Parsing is what made people realize how inefficient it was to do Skillchains and Magic Bursts in EXP parties. This is about efficiency, and turban is more efficient in almost all situations.

[Boko]

Parsing is what made people realize how inefficient it was to do Skillchains and Magic Bursts in EXP parties. This is about efficiency, and turban is more efficient in almost all situations.

For some, I guess. For most, it is pretty obvious you get much more xp in parties in burns than you do in ws/magic burst parties, just by eyeballing. You don't need a parser to tell the difference between 10k/hour and 4k/hour, unless you are really not paying attention at all. The problem 4 years ago was getting people to even try just spamming weapon skills when it makes sense in their head, that skillchains/magic bursts is advanced and should mean better xp/hour.