Alla pics!

[Clipse]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

So whenever your character hits some sort of "road block", do you always make up some BS loophole to get out of it?

[Lexa]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

ROFLMAOCOPTERETCETCETCETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is even funnier than the time... no, wait, NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN THIS STUPID!

[Stormcrown]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

Wow.

[Tajin]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

=D>

[BRP]

Hmmm, this is good stuff. I hope this isn't a troll account and it's actually the guy from allah.


Okay, Mr. Roleplayer. I'm going to defeat you in your little game.

Your "character" is an Elvaan in San d'Oria? An educated one? So he would know the basics of Vana'diel history, right? If he is such a patriot... so very loyal to his country and king... can he name the kings after Ranperre but before Destin? I mean SE has never told us, SINCE YOU REALLY LIVE IN SAN d'ORIA, you should know! Tell us.

PS. Both RDM and WHM originated from Windurst. Almost all black/white spells in the game also come from there.

PS II. In the "REAL" storyline of FFXI, the adventurer never comes from the main cities. He is always an outsider, most likely coming some "suburb" town we never see.

[Ziegus]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly curious as to what level you are. If it's anything over 30 I pity the people who party with you.

[Hapernack]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

If you really follow the storylines then yeah why do you have magic at all? Sandoria was a proud race of warriors not magic-wielders. Almost all magic comes from Windhurst. RNG doesn't come from Sandoria either, it comes from Windhurstian Mithra Hunters. So the existence of a "Royal" set of armor or weapons is an excuse to level a job too eh?

There is nothing beautiful or awesome about roleplaying which is why normal people laugh at you morons so much. The only thing "roleplaying" does is make you look stupid because you now have an excuse to restrict what you can do in whatever game you're playing. BloodNinja, zatchoo?

[Vejitta]

If you want to be true San'dorian you should play PLD or DRG, since these jobs quests begin in San'doria. Also - WHM and RDM maybe, since AF quests are from there

And if you want to be strict - magic doesn't come from Windurst, it's all over Vana'diel. Windurstian are just studying it more than any other nations.

Nonetheless it should all be threaten with tongue in cheek, lol

[Sev]

If you want to be true San'dorian you should play PLD or DRG, since these jobs quests begin in San'doria. Also - WHM and RDM maybe, since AF quests are from there

And if you want to be strict - magic doesn't come from Windurst, it's all over Vana'diel. Windurstian are just studying it more than any other nations.

Nonetheless it should all be threaten with tongue in cheek, lol

He is a pld >.<; read the posts next time

[Vejitta]

I didn't write bout him, why should I even bother Oo

I just meant overall.

[ashke]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

what about THF?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/2/24/RS_Dagger.gif

or DRG?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/6/61/RS_Halberd.gif


And you're a chef right?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/5/50/RoyalTea.JPG
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/...oyalSautee.JPG
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/...alOmelette.JPG



And moghancement wind?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/..._Bookshelf.gif

I'm only saying that as such a noble Paladin of the Holy Church would never have Moghancement Darkness:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/f/fa/Royal_Bed.gif



But that last one raises a serious dilemna. Are all San d'Orian gentlefolk corrupted by their very beds?!?







EDIT: this is so much more fun here than 'zam.

[Foustian]

yes, i (the player) realize how useful pld/nin can be but my elvaan character doesn't. that's the beauty of roleplaying. your character can be a totally different person than the player. what you have to remember about the elvaan in game is their one weakness: arrogance. despite their defeat at the hand of bastok in the konschtat war, they still think their way of fighting is still the best. this is a weakness and my character has this weakness.

what my character thinks about fighting techniques from other kingdoms is they're inferior to the jobs that are native to sandoria. the four jobs that have their af quests in sandoria are PLD WHM RDM and DRG and those are the main jobs that my elvaan character has leveled up.

other jobs that he has are:
brd (due to the existence of royal spearman's horn and the brd af quest somewhat involves sandoria)
rng (royal archer longbow)
mnk (the existence of royal archer's cesti and i kinda had to for subjob when leveling WAR)
and war (i have to for pld subjob but war is kind of a "knight-like" job anyway)

my elvaan character is also biased when choosing equipment. for example, he wouldnt use conquest rewards from bastok or sandoria (he never equipped the iron musketeer armors when leveling paladin). he favors MND to INT and white magic to black magic when leveling red mage (he cast dia, slow and paralyze more often than poison, blind and gravity).

he has most sandoria quests done but he did very little bastok and windurst quests (i think only the map quests and the teleport quests. the teleport quests are actually given by sandorian priests).

or DRG?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/6/61/RS_Halberd.gif

Come on people, pay attention.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I'm guessing he meant SAM.

[Sev]

Come on people, pay attention.

People don't like to read i guess

[ashke]

I'm just roleplaying a guy that missed DRG in the paragraph previous to his listing CP items as a basis of determining which jobs to level.






I'll roleplay myself up another cup of coffee while I'm at it.

[Frodorn]

I'm only saying that as such a noble Paladin of the Holy Church would never have Moghancement Darkness:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/images/f/fa/Royal_Bed.gif
But that last one raises a serious dilemna. Are all San d'Orian gentlefolk corrupted by their very beds?!?

I think you got that Wrong, Ashke

Its not the San d'Orian people being corrupted by their bed... but what said San d'Orian do in those beds that Corrupts even the bed itself!!!

Really the biggest hole in all of that... a Majority of San d'Orian Cp gear can be wore by the one job he hates most... Ninja...

Royal Archer's Sword, Royal Footman's Bandana, Royal Footman's Boots, Royal Footman's Gloves, Royal Footman's Vest, Royal Footman's Trousers, Royal Squire's Collar, Royal Squire's Dagger, Royal Squire's Helm, Royal Squire's Mufflers, Royal Squire's Sollerets, Royal Squire's Breeches, Royal Squire's Chainmail, Royal Squire's Breeches +1, Royal Squire's Breeches +2, Royal Squire's Chainmail +1, Royal Squire's Chainmail +2, Royal Knight Army Collar, Royal Knight's Belt , Royal Knight's Mufflers, Royal Knight's Sollerets, Royal Knight's Belt +1, Royal Knight's Belt +2, Royal Knight's Mufflers +1, Royal Knight's Mufflers +2, Royal Knight's Sollerets +1, Royal Knight's Sollerets +2, Royal Army Mantle, Royal Guard's Collar, Royal Knight's Bascinet, Royal Knight's Breeches, Royal Knight's Chainmail, Grand Knight's Arrow, Grand Temple Knight's Collar, Temple Knight Army Collar...

[Nystul]

Me not being funny still doesn't justify Family Guy... that show gone downhill so much since it came back, but forget it. I regret even saying that, because I didn't notice the post on the very top of this page. I much rather talk about that.

Hmmm, that is some quality stuff right there. What I find even odder is that you think Dynamis has a "Storyline". Well, it does, but that's not why people do it. All 9 Dynamises combined only have... 3 minutes of cutscene combined, tops. And what about Bahamut v2 or even CoP Dynamis. How exactly are you going to get access to those storylines without being in a LS that do all those "unpleasant things".

Anyway, liking a MMORPG storyline isn't stupid. Well, liking FFXI's storyline isn't. There is a lot of effort by SE in these, a lot more than what you usually get. What Nystul said is odd to me, because I think he knows a lot of BG forums enjoys the storyline and cutscenes of FFXI. This is pretty clear because every update there is a lot of chatter about quests(with crappy rewards save good cutscenes) and new storyline developments. Let's not even bring up how heated the "Vana'diel Madness" was.

What is stupid about this guy is that he only likes storyline... to a specific degree "how" he likes storyline(his whole write a storyline for jobs deal is so bad it's funny)... and how he despises everything else because "IT AINT STORYLINEZ".

I think we're more or less getting at the same thing, I'm just saying it much more...like an asshole. Lol. Sure the story is cute and all but it's hardly up to part to support the game. The game is not BUILT around the story line, it's built around gameplay issues. It's built around the acquisition of items and improvement of the character. I think you'd have to be pretty simple in the head to think of the story as so fantastic that it alone carries your interest in the game through more than a few months. If you want a story, go play a good single player RPG where characters develop more than superficially or go read a good book, but don't go play an MMO because of the pwnsauce story because it's not there. It works on a level but it's not that good <_< It provides a nice distraction here and there but thats it.

[Talisien]

FFXI has one of the cogent, effective, immersive and well designed storylines in any MMO to date. I've played MMOs since Ultima Online, and I've done epic level quests in all of them, including FFXI. The fact that storyline quests cross over between AF quests, Nation Missions, Expansion Missions and even mundane city quests is beyond impressive, it's amazing. When I do the Dark Knight quest and understand more about the relationship of characters in cutscenes I've seen or yet to see, that's impressive. When I do a quest (for SleepgaII for instance) in Windurst, and the very people involved in the cutscene differ based on where I am in the Nation Missions (for instance if I'm on Windurst 9-2+ or not) proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was great care given in crafting a world within the game of Final Fantasy XI. That sentence contains the important distinction between world and game.

The world of FFxi was well done, and well created, and the game of FFxi was created in parallel or on top of that world. The two have things in common but most importantly the GAME of FFXI cares about job balance, Risk v. Reward, item acquisition (incentive to continue playing), level pace (ease of accomplishment provides a realistic ability to reach the next level, and thus keep playing) etc. The world of FFXI cares not for job balance, Ajido-Murijo (or whatever) and Shantatto blow shit up and have too many hit points, but no one cares (and let's not spoil how they do this, I for one am on Mission6-2 and don't want it spoiled either), it is a story. The game/ruleset of FFXI is placed on top of the world and the world exists within the rules of the game (which is why Black Mages don't cast random spells too often, even when they're NPCs) -- it is a symbiotic relationship where without the other the pair would be less than they are together. It is the soul's relationship to the body, and echoes the yin/yang relationship...balance is key.

Now as to the player himself. I think arguing his point on a forum is silly, as he will open himself to ridicule, but it's his choice. I think the argument that he pays the same $12.95 as everyone else is very true -- no one should tell him (or attempt to argue) that his method of playing this game is somehow inferior to yours or mine. That is simply non-sensical -- it's akin to arguing that someone should like you because you like them, or that someone should like what you like. People are individuals with different goals, likes and dislikes, and respecting that is very important.

Now, that said, the second this PLD joins a party, he is encouraged to make decisions that benefit his party as much as they benefit himself. A Paladin wouldn't lot on a piece of San D'Oria city AF2 simply because it came from San d'Oria, even though it would make a very pretty, well deserved item on one of the mannequins in his mog house. In the same vein, a Pld joining a group would be expected to wear the best gear that he could, to benefit his party. If this does not fall within his 'role-playing' views, then he has failed to understand that when you join a party you cease playing your own game and begin to impact others directly as the result of your actions. This is similar to role-players role-playing in the middle of Times Square or the subway--the law doesn't care why you shouted fire, it simply cares that you started a riot, and you will be punished for it. The party doesn't care why you're subjob is gimped and your gear is terrible, it just cares that you get the job done. If you happen to role-play while you're doing it, so be it, but if you fail the party they will remove you, and no amount of justification will excuse that failure.

I think this player has found an effective balance between game and world, from the little I've read about him. He comes up with interesting (sometimes questionable) reasons why he picked up certain jobs, but they seem to be grounded in some internal logic which is nice (for instance the RDM and WHM AF quests). He waited until Trion went to Aht Urgan to pick up Ninja, which is both admirable and impressive -- many would have bowed to popular opinion long ago. He has balanced personal greed with dedication to an ideal (in this case the idea of role-playing a true San d'Orian knight) which is a struggle many people face in real life, and requires real sacrifice (in this case public ridicule).

The one point at which this player failed is criticizing end-game activities. In the same way that we as gamers shouldn't ridicule him for choosing to role-play (no matter how silly we feel about the situation) he shouldn't criticize people for making the decisions that benefit their style of play (such as getting better items to defeat tougher monsters).

In the end this is the most important thing, this statement:

The game is not BUILT around the story line, it's built around gameplay issues. It's built around the acquisition of items and improvement of the character

is wrong. It's an opinion and nothing more. The game of FFxi incorporates both a functional ruleset (your 'built around gameplay issues') but it's ALSO a game built on top of a very solid storyline and plot. FFXI is one of the few MMOs to really incorporate a meaningful storyline on top of a fantastically deep, well thought out world, and it lets you experience it in a way that is both progressive and unique (the cut scenes). To ignore either aspect of this game is to fail to understand the true breadth of FFXI.

Personally though I've played EQ1 to endgame and WoW to endgame, I will miss FFXI more than any other MMO I've ever played (and I've been playing MMOs hardcore for 12 years now ((ugh))). I don't think many other companies will take their world as seriously, or put as much obvious care into it, as Square-Enix has done. This role-player may just be a wonky crazy person ruining parties left and right, but it's just as possible that he strives to be the best player he can be while living by the strictures of Altana faith. I can tell you this much -- I doubt he's one of those asshats in the Dunes that responds with "It's just a sub" when you question their shittastic half-naked gear selection. This guy cares and that's always the best type of player to have in your party.

So to the dude RPing his way through Vana'diel here's to fighting the good fight. And to everyone else, well, I'll be stealing your Kotes at the Mee Deggi camp.

[ashke]

watch out, Yagudo don't pull their punches.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/b...82d15cebc2.jpg

[Intense]

I think this player has found an effective balance between game and world, from the little I've read about him. He comes up with interesting (sometimes questionable) reasons why he picked up certain jobs, but they seem to be grounded in some internal logic which is nice (for instance the RDM and WHM AF quests). He waited until Trion went to Aht Urgan to pick up Ninja, which is both admirable and impressive -- many would have bowed to popular opinion long ago.

I sincerely believe that he put off NIN until now out of laziness and is masking that fact by this little story hes acting out. Many nub PLDs dont like the idea of having to level NIN and this he is one of them.