Alla pics!

[Gadritan]

Ironguy will smash your samurai you can deny it all you want, but if he just likes to wear a Byrnie to WS in, more power to him. He will still parse #1 every Einherjar.


Anyways back to the Alla'ing

LOL.

Made my night. Thanks.

[Gunnerks]

Khimaira, Cerb, (Tiamat), Dark ixion, Sandworm are the main deals that iron fights on samurai linkshell based. High level, high defense mobs. Byrnie would outdo Osode on these, and would shred Domaru

[Yugl]

So when your attack is uncapped on HNMs and thing of that sort (which he mainly deals with) it's better to use Domaru (8str right?) over 6str and 25 attack. This makes no sense.

And why you have Domaru in front of osode i have no clue, your giving up 2str in return of nothing.

Assuming attack is uncapped on a particular mob, even with zerk/food/etc, Byrnie+1>Askar>Haub+1>Osode>Domaru for HNMs, but you also aren't going to use Byrnie+1 to TP in as most would a Haub+1. Haub+1 is worth 3M for 8%~ hitrate during TPing, not specifically because of STR+6 Att+12 for YGK, you can just get an Askorazin for that. If you're at the point that you're spending 3M on 12 attack (maybe 5 damage increase total?), you should just begin investing your gil into something that will pay higher dividends (Amano).

He didn't say that.

Edit edit: what are the only 3 mobs that he will fight where attack is uncapped? That's news to me that you cap attack on everything, nearly.

Not sure about this since I haven't seen the DEF values of HNMs, but I would think it's more than three mobs.

[Gunnerks]

Oh i'm sorry i did read it backwards, that was what i was saying, where attack is uncapped mix it into your WS build, IE: high def mobs high lvl etc etc as i've said. I'm not defending it full time, just saying it DOES have it's strong suits outside of Kaiten.

[Nightfyre]

Ripped from the YGK Attack bonus testing thread:

- merits/limbus/dynamis/einherjar/etc mobs are around LV 83 and have about 330 defense ~430 attack will put you to the cap;

- HNMs like Cerberus/Khimaira/Ixion/Fafnir/Gods are around LV87 and have about 500-550 defense 700-770 attack will put you to the cap;

- Wyrms/Kirin/JoL are around LV95 and have about 600 defense ~950 attack will be enough to hit the cap.

I guess that's where you'd pull however many HNM you'd be uncapped on from.

[Gunnerks]

So therefor, For the things he mainly does, keep Byrnie. When doing einherjar and dynamis in shell and salvage etc, swap 1 piece for a minimal upgrade. I think at this point its more laziness, where byrnie is still pretty viable.

[Gadritan]

My SAM > Iron's.

[pahnphoenix]

trolls trolling trolls is profoundly interesting, but i'll point out a small tidbit of wisdom that i'd hope most of you have thought of already. people are debating whether or not byrnie+1 for high DEF is a better use of money than buying currency. protip for you: you can sell back the byrnie+1 when you're ready. duh.

as for the rest of it, in case the sarcasm above was too subtle: who gives a shit?

[Virg]

So therefor, For the things he mainly does, keep Byrnie. When doing einherjar and dynamis in shell and salvage etc, swap 1 piece for a minimal upgrade. I think at this point its more laziness, where byrnie is still pretty viable.

Ixion /thf = Osode, Cerberus /thf = Osode, Khim depends on what you prefer for me it´s /thf = Osode, Faf /war can hit attack cap using Gekko, food with BRD in pt giving Minuet if I ain´t completely mistaken = Osode. Tiamat /thf = Osode, Kirin = 15sec zerg, Gods depends on what you prefer. JoL = /thf but depends on how your LS does JoL. We zerg so don´t really use SAMs for it. That leaves what for Byrnie+1? Nidhogg, Vrtra, Jormungand, AV?
Correct me if I´m wrong.

[Mansin]

While this argument is retarded in it's own right,

Cerb and Ixion and JoL /thf?
What shit LS do you come from?

edit: And Khim?

[Gunnerks]

If you sub thf on ixion, cerb, or jol you are doing it wrong.

Byrnie on all 3


Also lol@ faf and nid

[Virg]

While this argument is retarded in it's own right,

Cerb and Ixion and JoL /thf?
What shit LS do you come from?

The LS that owns Ix/Worm on our server pretty much, has 16+ relics, killed AV while zergable. Need me to say more? Also looks like every HNMls on Cerb is retarded then because every SAM I´ve ever seen on Ix is /thf fulltime melee on it for TP > SA WS > throw in a WS without SA etc.
Cerb I guess it´s down to what you prefer. Done arguing for now. 6AM got better shit to do. Have a good sleep, I´ll be looking forward to ~3 more pages of quotes, flames and shitstorms when I wake up for breakfast.

[Gunnerks]

The LS that owns Ix/Worm on our server pretty much, has 16+ relics, killed AV while zergable. Need me to say more? Also looks like every HNMls on Cerb is retarded then because every SAM I´ve ever seen on Ix is /thf fulltime melee on it for TP > SA WS > throw in a WS without SA etc.
Cerb I guess it´s down to what you prefer. Done arguing for now. 6AM got better shit to do. Have a good sleep, I´ll be looking forward to ~3 more pages of quotes, flames and shitstorms when I wake up for breakfast.

Enjoy.

[Virg]

One more thing before I go to bed. Learn2read. I don´t /thf on JoL. We zerg.

[Gunnerks]

We didn't say YOU /thf on jol, you just said /thf is for jol. Which is not best if you want to do straight damage output.

[Virg]

We didn't say YOU /thf on jol, you just said /thf is for jol. Which is not best if you want to do straight damage output.

Ah my bad sorry. As said 6AM tired as fuck now really off to bed waiting for those delicious pages full of shitstorms.

[IronPandemonium]

I obtained a Ridill.

lol

[Gadritan]

lol

Yep. Just tagged that back on my sig today since it's been long enough to have that retro feel to it.

Been about 4yrs now. Still too soon to be cool again? Should I just wait till 14 releases? C'mon Allapros, I needz real advice.

[Knyghtmayre]

12 attack won't incur much of a difference for YGK, even if attack is uncapped (which often won't be the case if you use Red curry with no support, or a lesser food with either Minuet or Chaos [rare for me]). If you have 450 attack prior to swapping from Haub+1 to Byrnie+1, then:
(450(1.25)(1.23)) =691 attack
(462(1.25)(1.23)) =710 attack

19/691=2.74% increase in attack, 60% of the time=1.644% increase in overall damage (60WS:40Melee ratio). 1.23 If using Red curry (buns), the most attack additive food there is. If not using curry, then this number is less and Byrnie+1 is less useful; 1.25 approximation for Berserk. I can't really quantify the difference in damage that 19 attack will have on YGK, but I can assure you that it's not a gamebreaking number.

Sponsoring 6 windurst/sandy runs should net 300 coins per run minimum:
6*300=1800 coins/17,800=10.11% of the total coins needed for Amano. This is assuming that you can even sponsor dynamis runs, and assuming that the relic isn't shell-funded. Literally talking 19~ increase in attack overall during YGK post-buffs, assuming that I did the math right, and I think I did, Vs 10% of the coins needed for Amano. Also the number 3 was a very vague number, and this is really only applicable for anything that you /WAR to and not /THF. I'm not entirely sure how /WAR does versus /THF on Ixion in particular, but /THF has quite a high damage output, so not sure why people assume that it's so laughable, especially since /WAR you don't get to utilize overwhelm. Khim and Cerb also have low defense compared to Nidhogg/Tiamat/JoL, as does Ixion, so I'm not entirely sure Yarko's testing can be considered 100% accurate in that regard.

It's late and I'm half asleep but I think the numbers are right, and that being said, justifying Byrnie+1 for YGK is pretty dumb considering that you can use the gil from it in far more productive ways and then buy it back afterwards. There are a lot of assumptions made, but none of which are related to the fact that 19 attack during YGK is not worth 3,000,000 gil unless you have every single thing imaginable, including Amano. (And if you had Amano, this would be an extremely moot point anyway, seeing as how you'd nearly never use YGK with it unless hoping for a DA.)

[Tricen]

We didn't say YOU /thf on jol, you just said /thf is for jol. Which is not best if you want to do straight damage output.

CRANK DAT SOULJA BOI