How does your Dynamis LS Operate? (aka BLM/NIN vs BLM/RDM)

[Rumply]

BLM/NIN will net the best results for dynamis.

1. I average about 20-30k more damage on parse. I don't need to waste MP on Blink / SS / Curing myself. Drain does 400+ damage when I do get hit, so I almost never have the need to be cured.

2. I can free nuke on mobs at start and tank them the rest of the fight just fine, which lets DD go all out and other blms so > faster fights.

3. Less deaths. I die at most 0-2 times each run. With /rdm or /whm its more like 2-5.

4. I have tanked the last 5 mega bosses w/o dieing or someone else turning it.

5. Our BLM party is now blm/nin, blm/nin, blm/nin, blm/whm, brd/whm, rdm/blm. One blm/nin takes care of all the statues, the other 2 blm/nins handles all the sleeping with the rdm helping as well. Once i'm done with the statues I help out on the mobs as well as the blm/whm and any other extra blms.

6. Its more fun.

[aurik]

If you die 2-5 times a run as blm/whm, you and/or your LS must fucking suck.

[Kerberoz]

BLM/NIN will net the best results for dynamis.

1. I average about 20-30k more damage on parse. I don't need to waste MP on Blink / SS / Curing myself. Drain does 400+ damage when I do get hit, so I almost never have the need to be cured.

2. I can free nuke on mobs at start and tank them the rest of the fight just fine, which lets DD go all out and other blms so > faster fights.

3. Less deaths. I die at most 0-2 times each run. With /rdm or /whm its more like 2-5.

4. I have tanked the last 5 mega bosses w/o dieing or someone else turning it.

5. Our BLM party is now blm/nin, blm/nin, blm/nin, blm/whm, brd/whm, rdm/blm. One blm/nin takes care of all the statues, the other 2 blm/nins handles all the sleeping with the rdm helping as well. Once i'm done with the statues I help out on the mobs as well as the blm/whm and any other extra blms.

6. Its more fun.

Wow, you suck ass at Dynamis. All of that can be done with BLM/RDM... it's just not idiotproof like /NIN. Who the hell dies 2-5 times per dynamis? Even sac pullers shouldn't be dying 5 times in one run. Is your linkshell that bad?

[NynJa]

4. I have tanked the last 5 mega bosses w/o dieing or someone else turning it.

ROFL
I guess your dynamis bosses dont cast Death...


In all honesty, excluding xarcabard and full wipes, I've died maybe 5-7 times TOTAL in dynamis on blm. It's not that fucking difficult.

[Nystul]

Has this really degenerated into a "you use x sub? You suck at the game!" "wait, you mean you don't use Y sub? Your LS sucks lololol"

There are advantages and disadvantages to both, and depending on how one's LS is organized some players subbing nin will be more effective- especially if you rely on blms for significant damage. Other shells are better off with players that have /whm or rdm sub because they need the additional support cures and status removal.

However, only using one regardless of what the situation calls for makes you a bad player. I have rdm whm and nin subs available to me, and they are all uniquely situational. IF you refuse to use whm becuase you don't want to have to help wiht status cures then you are a bad player. If you refuse to use something other than nin when the situation may require more healing/gravity/status removal then you are a bad player. A good player worries NOT about his parse numbers but about how he can improve the performace of the group as a whole. It is akin to dropping a sorc ring macro'd huge burst II on fafnir on the first skillchain. Great. YOu did 2200 damage. Fantastic. Now, while your LS has to fight the stupid thing down one black mage, you have plenty of time to put that screen shot in your BG sig. Too bad the other blms that started out with a tier III and worked their way up and stayed under the hate line did 20k damage over the course of the fight.

It's not about you, it's about what you can bring to your group.

In all honesty, excluding xarcabard and full wipes, I've died maybe 5-7 times TOTAL in dynamis on blm. It's not that fucking difficult.

just one of those examples about how we're really comparing apples and oranges here and each shell handles things very differently-

xarc is the only place I DON'T die a lot, and I even do some pulling (yes on blm). In fact, the only two runs I ever did in which I had 0 deaths were xarc runs. Since the eye "statues" aren't really statues we have them meleed down- the tanks call those first while mages sleep the demons. the demons are hard to pull hate on because they have high base resist so you rarely get one to come over and smack you, and we have coordination on the other things that prevents blms from getting killed. Now, I could go and say that if you die a lot in xarc then you and your dynamis ls suck balls and you need to improve but thats simply not true. Odds are that you guys just approach things in a different way, and barring me going on a bunch of your runs I can't really say that you are bad now can I?

[Septimus]

BLM/NIN will net the best results for dynamis.

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Wow, you suck ass at Dynamis. All of that can be done with BLM/RDM... it's just not idiotproof like /NIN. Who the hell dies 2-5 times per dynamis? Even sac pullers shouldn't be dying 5 times in one run. Is your linkshell that bad?

All of that could be done with BLM/WHM as well. Oh, wait...

[Lithiani]

I only die in Dynamis when A: an avatar come unslept at just the wrong moment, or B: I catch Eagle Eye Shot with my face, instead of with Third Eye.

[Nystul]

I only die in Dynamis when A: an avatar come unslept at just the wrong moment, or B: I catch Eagle Eye Shot with my face, instead of with Third Eye.

you know comically, I'm about 50/50 on EES. Sometimes it gets me but half of the time I either shadow it, survive it alltogether, or evade it entirely. Oddly, I evade it a good amount. I guess being taru we're hard targets

[Kaylia]

4. I have tanked the last 5 mega bosses w/o dieing or someone else turning it.

ROFL
I guess your dynamis bosses dont cast Death...


In all honesty, excluding xarcabard and full wipes, I've died maybe 5-7 times TOTAL in dynamis on blm. It's not that fucking difficult.

Dying doesn't really mean anything since it largely depend of the number of players, area and who you are going with. If you die during a large pull, rr and continue sleeping, you are more encline to die again. My shell usually go with less than 18ppl, and we don't really have more than 2blm. We rarely wipe but when there is more than 15 mobs, sleeper won't survive all the time for sure.

[layoneil]

doesn't NynJa do Dynamis with like 40 people minimum?

[Nystul]

Yea my runs tend to be in the 20-35 range, and when you're not only sleeping, backup curing, and nuking statues and mobs you're going to die.

I dont' really complain though, I can solo like 6-7k an hour out in mt z. it's not that hard to just run out and pick up the xp. I do burn out reraise pins like crazy though :D

[Kaylia]

Yea my runs tend to be in the 20-35 range, and when you're not only sleeping, backup curing, and nuking statues and mobs you're going to die.

I dont' really complain though, I can solo like 6-7k an hour out in mt z. it's not that hard to just run out and pick up the xp. I do burn out reraise pins like crazy though :D

Every time I see a BLM downlevel, one part of me die.

RAISE 3 ONLY, DONT WANT TO LOSE THUNDER4, BURST II, 10% DMG INCREASE, 7ELEMENTAL

[NynJa]

doesn't NynJa do Dynamis with like 40 people minimum?

is that a problem ??

NynJa's also the guy who gets "absurd amounts of AF"...

[Lithiani]

/shrug

My LS has had runs as low as 22 people, and has had to turn people away from runs on other occasions (the memorable Windy-gives-us-5-jadeshells-and-15-AF night being one).

[Ryany]

It’s not really fair to say someone sucks as a black mage based on how much they die in dynamis. Sure, it could be them not handling a situation right, but most of the time it is from the supporting cast.

There’s not much a black mage can do if other black mages are sitting in back doing nothing, or don’t have the proper enfeeble gear macroed in for sleeps, or even worse don’t have sleepga2. Maybe the all the offtanks aren’t voking slept mobs. It’s awfully hard to not die on many pulls when a black mage has 6 angry enemies running at him/her once they wake up because none of the other blms tried to/could land sleep. It’s like blaming a quarterback for getting sacked a lot when his offensive line can’t block to save their life.

[NynJa]

It’s not really fair to say someone sucks as a black mage based on how much they die in dynamis. Sure, it could be them not handling a situation right, but most of the time it is from the supporting cast.

You've got something goin for you, but then you say:

There’s not much a black mage can do if other black mages are sitting in back doing nothing, or don’t have the proper enfeeble gear macroed in for sleeps, or even worse don’t have sleepga2.

If you dont have enfeebling gear macros nor have sleepga2, you ARE a shitty black mage.

[Ryany]

If you dont have enfeebling gear macros nor have sleepga2, you ARE a shitty black mage.

I agree. I had those under the "other black mages" category and probably could have worded it a bit better.

[layoneil]

is that a problem ??

NynJa's also the guy who gets "absurd amounts of AF"...

it's not a problem but doing the same exact thing vs the same exact number of mobs when you have more people (of relative skill), the chances of dying decreases exponentially.

there's another perfect football analogy here, if a QB has 10 offensive linemen instead of 5, he is going to get sacked a lot less. that has nothing to do with the QB's skill.

If you dont have enfeebling gear macros nor have sleepga2, you ARE a shitty black mage.

his point was good players (of any job) can also die a lot if the people around them sucks.

i'd rather do Dynamis with 20 people that have a decent idea what they are doing than with 40 people that are all clueless. if you can get 40 good players all the time than good for you, but not everyone can (or want to really).

[NynJa]

is that a problem ??

NynJa's also the guy who gets "absurd amounts of AF"...

it's not a problem but doing the same exact thing vs the same exact number of mobs when you have more people (of relative skill), the chances of dying decreases exponentially.

not really...
my pullers are kinda suicidal, if ppl are clearing mobs faster than they're coming, they will purposely link extra mobs.

[Nystul]

our puller will do that just to wake people up sometimes. If the run is going too well for too long, people get complaced and go on autopilot. All of a sudden "Oops! Big pull lololol" and in comes 7 stats and 20 mobs.

Last night we accidentally pulled the entire AH in jeuno when someone was autorunning and DC'd <_< Considering we had only 3 blms last night and we weren't really ready for the pull I was pretty happy when we cleared it without too much carnage.