Do you claim bot?

[Not Kuno]

Kuno doesn't masturbate, he's a robot!

[Ravenlokk]

Typically bottong doesnt give anyone an edge if its just spamming your macro for you. Sure it allows you to afk and claim (or control half your LS like some na/french/fag LS on gilgamesh and bot with them) but it doesnt actually give you an edge vs another player who is actively claiming[proof being me claiming 3 fafnirs in a row legitimately with stun/flash with 2 computers... lol spamming 2 enter keys]; however, it does give people an unfair advantage if they're teleporting across VoS to claim something (take note of the LS that seem to claim all the aspis, but not stuff where you dont go invisible;;[lol unless they invisible in aery- which they are known for too ww]).

Im not sure of the details about it, or if/how it works but ive heard rumors of people using programs that claim mobs before they actually appear preventing others from doing any actions (not even starting casting/getting iced)

[Aodh]

That's his "O" face.

[Denchi]

I never botted.... I've played since PC release but I guess I never really had a reason to. By the time bots became big I was too scared to even try it for fear of keyloggers/banning, and it was never a huge deal. A buddy of mine lost his 75rng with like 100mil gil to a keylogger.

I'm sure I could find a bot, and figure out how to use it, and then go camp kings or something. But like.....I'm lazy.

And my LS doesn't really do endgame stuff, but I dunno if they bot or not. Who the hell would know?

[Dezzimal]

lol I love how more than half the votes say they and their linkshells both don't bot. You're all going to hell you lying bastards.

I'm willing to believe many (~25%) of the people that read these forums and don't camp ground kings or ulli. The other 25% are lieing.

[Stellar]

Typically bottong doesnt give anyone an edge if its just spamming your macro for you. Sure it allows you to afk and claim (or control half your LS like some na/french/fag LS on gilgamesh and bot with them) but it doesnt actually give you an edge vs another player who is actively claiming[proof being me claiming 3 fafnirs in a row legitimately with stun/flash with 2 computers... lol spamming 2 enter keys]; however, it does give people an unfair advantage if they're teleporting across VoS to claim something (take note of the LS that seem to claim all the aspis, but not stuff where you dont go invisible;;[lol unless they invisible in aery- which they are known for too ww]).

Im not sure of the details about it, or if/how it works but ive heard rumors of people using programs that claim mobs before they actually appear preventing others from doing any actions (not even starting casting/getting iced)

Don't think there has been a bot that spams your macro since before the new claiming system. You input an assigned delay and it makes sure you cast on the NM at the exact time you want. Honestly it's pretty similar to legit claiming, assuming the legit claimer see's the mob pop, has no other mobs to worry about targetting (darters), etc. But these variables are what gives the bot the advantage.. because as legit claimers, we make errors in our pulling technique and the bot does not.

[Fredthecat]

Final Fantasy 11 has an archaic pop system,
until that changes we can’t blame people for boting so that they may have the chance to fight a monster.


Hate the game not the player.

[Juvant]

2 shitty botting LS taking turns cumswapping and wiping, 4-5 Eden claim at 1% and get the kill lmao. Grats on that one guys, though I wish I was there myself to try and claim. ;;

They actually wiped at 100% after using up all the sleeps in the world, we barely won at the end ;o but yeah basically the same story as our other kills

[Hakamaru]

The idea is that you can't manually claim what you can't see.
Bots can.

o.O I always put my graphics detail down when I step into DA. This means cranking down the max character models allowed on the screen and bringing in the clipping plane. With these settings I most definitely can target fafnir before I can see him on the screen using simple F8 spam.

Like it's already been said... manual claiming can be done as well as a bot (provided botters aren't warping), there's just errors that can be made manually. To me, claiming in DA seems more strongly correlated to how close you're standing to the pop than anything else. And when it comes to a spam-off (darters clear), NAs may as well just go home.

I think they should just up the claim delay to something like 5 seconds +/- something /random. That would serve to remove the spazz errors a manual claimer can make. Yellow fafnir would be an interesting sight for a change.

[Genosync]

So, without reading the thread, is this the summary?

A. People bitching and whining about not claiming
B. People BSing about being able to claim legitly (but failing to mention these instances don't include all 3 kings)
C. People telling them to shut up, stop lying, and quit being idiots and start botting like everyone else because it doesn't matter anyway.

?

[Tajin]

A. People bitching and whining about not claiming

So far no bitchy and whiny people.

[Genosync]

Wow, that's a first. Typically can't have bot discussion without people complaining they can't get claim.

[threevo]

ive had pretty decent talks with people who have had success botting claims, and they said its hard as hell to bot claim when the zone is low on people due to the fact the mob will render to almost everyone on pop(fafnir mainly). The times when bots have a very high claim rate is when DA has 150+ people, it has hit 275~ on midgard before a last window day 6+ in prime NA time. Clear PCs + Being able to claim a mob that doesnt load = major advantage botter. the only people that will even see faf/nid pop are the ones A. botting, or B. almost directly next to it, and that doesnt even gaurantee you being able to see it.

[Seebo]

lol I love how more than half the votes say they and their linkshells both don't bot. You're all going to hell you lying bastards.

I'm willing to believe many (~25%) of the people that read these forums and don't camp ground kings or ulli. The other 25% are lieing.

Eh true, possibility, but I'm sure there's plenty of assholes who lie about it and take it to the grave with them.

[Immortaldonut]

don't camp ground kings and hardly camp ulli ^-^/

and our 24/7 rmt are pretty bad claimers (for now)

[Dammerung]

The idea is that you can't manually claim what you can't see.
Bots can.

o.O I always put my graphics detail down when I step into DA. This means cranking down the max character models allowed on the screen and bringing in the clipping plane. With these settings I most definitely can target fafnir before I can see him on the screen using simple F8 spam.

Like it's already been said... manual claiming can be done as well as a bot (provided botters aren't warping), there's just errors that can be made manually. To me, claiming in DA seems more strongly correlated to how close you're standing to the pop than anything else. And when it comes to a spam-off (darters clear), NAs may as well just go home.

I think they should just up the claim delay to something like 5 seconds +/- something /random. That would serve to remove the spazz errors a manual claimer can make. Yellow fafnir would be an interesting sight for a change.

If you aren't facing the mob, spamming from your ja/ma menu won't work. Bot will.

[Ksandra]

When I did hnm there were people that botted, I didn't though. I wish no one had to though. ;_;

Only managed to pull fafnir once with dia.

[Celeras]

That's pretty much the problem. PS2 and XB don't have the system support to render all the models in the pit when there are 50+ people there. PC still does. I usually switch to my laptop because XB menu's lag to hell and PS2 draws about 15-20 of the closet models, so you'd never, ever, see an HNM spawn. My laptop lets me see clear across the pit and 75% of the models are drawn I'd guess.

Sometimes I wish there was an option to make all other player characters unrendered beige rectangles so my computer can spend more time loading the important things. Like unclaimed mobs.

Why doesnt anybody seem to know about Character Models Displayed?

No, it doesnt stop you from seeing mobs from spawning. It gets rid of half the models in aery, but leaves the names of everything loaded when set to minimum. Now you dont have to wait for Fafhoggs model to load.. you just see its name pop in mid air if it pops anywhere in your vicinity and youre already over the model limit (which you will be in aery). I tilt the camera up from the ground a bit so its name really stands out even more. Its not an instant fix, but youll see the spawn alot more often. On a good day ill see the name floating yellow clear across aery.

Its magic, you can pull now.

[yrpaine]

Typically bottong doesnt give anyone an edge if its just spamming your macro for you. Sure it allows you to afk and claim (or control half your LS like some na/french/fag LS on gilgamesh and bot with them) but it doesnt actually give you an edge vs another player who is actively claiming[proof being me claiming 3 fafnirs in a row legitimately with stun/flash with 2 computers... lol spamming 2 enter keys]; however, it does give people an unfair advantage if they're teleporting across VoS to claim something (take note of the LS that seem to claim all the aspis, but not stuff where you dont go invisible;;[lol unless they invisible in aery- which they are known for too ww]).

did someone clear darters first so you could spam enter or did you clear darters? I have too many jobs lvl'd to mess with claim bots, too afraid they'd rip off my ID, and I can go right now and take screenshots of darters <.< but that probably explains why i suck at claiming.

[threevo]

i think its common practice on most servers to clear darters b4 window....