NIN/RDM. On Ultima.

[TsingTao]

Its not like the RNG/WHMs (double light + holy bolt = win amirite?) were doing a ton of damage...

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[chiz]

Its not like the RNG/WHMs (double light + holy bolt = win amirite?) were doing a ton of damage...

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lol ya.....was gonna comment on that. 5-6 DRK/BLMs with full haste/march spamming Drain might've been a better approach. Still, having 1 SAM should've allowed you to set hate on one of your pseudo tanks before your mages started eating it. You can bring TP in with you and with a 2:30 cooldown on Meditate be ready to go again instantly.

I wouldn't disband the group, sounds like the leader just made a poor decision this time around but can't say he's completely at fault. If one or more of your group strongly objected to going in with that set-up, you should have said something, in caps, and often. Only 1 traditional tank going in would've been enough to say "this probably isn't a good idea".

I'd just learn from this experience and just make sure it doesn't happen again in the future. Sounds like the leader is a decent guy, just a bit selfish or clueless in terms of taking what the group actually needs instead of taking what he thinks might be enjoyable for him. Curious though, is this your groups first attempt at Ultima? Or was the other NIN/WAR just that good? Going in with 1 (possibly 3 if you count the WAR and NIN/RDM) tank on Ultima is just a really bad idea unless that tank had proven time and time again that he could survive the fight and CB once you got to it.

[Talis]

Once it starts using CB, you may take a few deaths from heavy melee DD or main healers, but once they clear hate once, they shouldn't get hate again for the entire fight as long as 1 of your tanks survives. At this point, we just run in to build TP or Meditate/Sleep pot off to the side. Clear on CB, run in after and plant hate on the tank. 1 WHM runs in right after CB to Cure V the tank while the rest med at a safe distance. As long as the mages have Stoneskin up, they should survive any draw-in hate but may die here and there to Armor Buster (same for Melees w/out Blink).

Kinda off topic, but what are you doing to survive CB reliably? I usually build for a little over +100 light resist + carol, with an additional -13% magic damage and still get slaped in the face for 2400 damage on ocasion. I've survived once, and died a couple of times when I should have lived (if a mage had tossed me a cure), but more often then not, even with that much resist and -magic damage, its still a one shotter.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Once it starts using CB, you may take a few deaths from heavy melee DD or main healers, but once they clear hate once, they shouldn't get hate again for the entire fight as long as 1 of your tanks survives. At this point, we just run in to build TP or Meditate/Sleep pot off to the side. Clear on CB, run in after and plant hate on the tank. 1 WHM runs in right after CB to Cure V the tank while the rest med at a safe distance. As long as the mages have Stoneskin up, they should survive any draw-in hate but may die here and there to Armor Buster (same for Melees w/out Blink).

Kinda off topic, but what are you doing to survive CB reliably? I usually build for a little over +100 light resist + carol, with an additional -13% magic damage and still get slaped in the face for 2400 damage on ocasion. I've survived once, and died a couple of times when I should have lived (if a mage had tossed me a cure), but more often then not, even with that much resist and -magic damage, its still a one shotter.

Ditch the light resistance for more Magic Defense Bonus and Magic Damage Taken -%. Light resistance is random, but those will always work. Basically its all HP or MDB/Magic-%. Max that out and you can survive.

[chiz]

Kinda off topic, but what are you doing to survive CB reliably? I usually build for a little over +100 light resist + carol, with an additional -13% magic damage and still get slaped in the face for 2400 damage on ocasion. I've survived once, and died a couple of times when I should have lived (if a mage had tossed me a cure), but more often then not, even with that much resist and -magic damage, its still a one shotter.

I've never done Ultima as tank, I've always gone as SAM since I'm the only SAM in our run. Once I got Mandau I've gone as THF. But ya like Max said, our RDM/NIN uses a combination of HPs + MDB and -Magic% gear to survive. When CB goes off and he's at full HPs, he has only @1300HPs. He's only died once in the 5-6 Ultima runs since we started using RDM/NIN and that was because he had @800HP when CB went off. Normally, he takes only 300-500 damage, never seen his HP drop below 300 HP after a CB.

Again, not sure if NIN/WAR could mimic the same results since RDM is obviously very different because of the MDB job traits as well as a full strength Stoneskin. Also, I think MND plays a role in resistance rate and % as well? I don't think he specifically macros in any MND gear for CB, but the higher base MND might explain some of the lowered damage that MDB wouldn't. After that, just make sure you have Shell4/5 when CB starts counting down. I know that if he didn't have it, he'd just self cast it rather than ask for it, which helps for sure.

I'm not sure if Light resistance would work at all reliably on Ultima since its always double Light weather in there. I probably won't even try it until I get flawless ribbon, but then again, I'm too lazy to carry fire resist sets for Tia/Cerb so we'll prob just end up sticking to RDM/NIN.

[Genosync]

Nin/Rdm on anything endgame is destined to fail.

I know I'm gonna get flamed but

a NIN/RDM with all HQ staves and best ninjutsuskill+int+ninjutsudmgUp gear could probably tank fafnir.

[Not Kuno]

Nin/Rdm on anything endgame is destined to fail.

I know I'm gonna get flamed but

a NIN/RDM with all HQ staves and best ninjutsuskill+int+ninjutsudmgUp gear could probably tank fafnir.

I think Fafnir stopped qualifying as endgame since you can do it with 1 pt.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

BTW he uses two of these: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8899

[Maguspk]

LMFAO, k he's stupid

[Michaera]

I know I'm gonna get flamed but

a NIN/RDM with all HQ staves and best ninjutsuskill+int+ninjutsudmgUp gear could probably tank fafnir.

Thought about it, but wouldn't that be a lot of TP to give him? :/ Might as well just chuck some BLMs at him. Or have BLM/NINs try to tank. You'd get a lot more damage for the TP you're giving him per spell.

It'd sure be fun though.

[TsingTao]

BTW he uses two of these: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/8899

Holy hell. That's just embarrasing.

Someone get me a worldpass.

[fumbletweed]

I've never done Ultima as tank, I've always gone as SAM since I'm the only SAM in our run. Once I got Mandau I've gone as THF.

Similar experiences here, SAM is a godsent for Ultima. We had 2 SAMs for our last try and the tanks began to get bored till 20%. Together with a BLU, some BLMs and a RDM/DRK only 1 Armor Buster went off the whole fight.

BLU is very good too, Feather Tickle and Head Butt worked nicely.

[Genosync]

[quote=Not Kuno]

Nin/Rdm on anything endgame is destined to fail.

I know I'm gonna get flamed but

a NIN/RDM with all HQ staves and best ninjutsuskill+int+ninjutsudmgUp gear could probably tank fafnir.

I think Fafnir stopped qualifying as endgame since you can do it with 1 pt.[/quote:80626]

True. But it's still an endgame mob considering it's LV85-87? I don't remember

[GSDragoon]

There's basically 3 things that make this fight incredibly easy:

1) Ample +MP (BRD and RDM for every main healer)
2) A tank that can survive CB
3) 2 jobs that can plant heavy hate with SATA+WS (SAM is best, THF and DRK are also good).

My LS finally won. First try was just a trial, second was a loss attempt and we won tonight. My bro(PLD/NIN), used -17% magic dmg in gear, had around 1600 HP, shell, light carol, ect and survived like 6/7 Citadel Busters. I can't believe how much easier the fight was. Definately made a huge difference if you can get a tank to survive CB. Now I need to camp Resentment Cape NM ; ;

[Zilong]

I always thought resentment cape doesn't work for lumoria on the ground it wasn't part of conquest.

[Secksi]

I always thought resentment cape doesn't work for lumoria on the ground it wasn't part of conquest.

My master caster's mitts work on thf so I have to assume my resentment cape does too. Can't say I've tested it though....just assumption.

Anyway, my shell uses 2 nin/drk's and a nin/war on ultima/omega, we've yet to lose on 2 ultima/3omega, but with just zombie'ing ultima last 25% usually I can't say they've been pretty.

I figure with mermans rings/earrings(maybe intruder/cassie instead here) and resentment cape with hp in other slots I'm pretty sure it's consistently survivable on nin. Gonna play with it next time we go.

[Lockecole]

Key to a smooth Ultima.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6826

To say you won a battle because of a single item, says alot about that item.

[layoneil]

we've had smooth Ultimas without it.

to say you would've lost a battle because of the lack of a single item says a lot about your strat (or execution thereof).

[Septimus]

I always thought resentment cape doesn't work for lumoria on the ground it wasn't part of conquest.

I'm fairly certain that Sea and Limbus zones are treated the same as Dynamis- they are always outside of your nation's control. My very delicious Master Caster Bracelets seem to work in all three places.

[phizit]

I'm heartily amused.
AND DONT WORRY MAXX IVE BEEN IN THE SAME SITUATION

"My LS sucks but there's nowhere else to go; ; ; ; "

and then it's like

Brilliant idea! "Let's make our own LS(*'-')/" and then people are like "YEAH SURE wait nvm" and then you're all ">_>". Ah, yes those days.

Don't be a pussy. Tell him he sucks, punch him in the face, and leave the LS taking as many people as humanly possible. DESTROY THEM.

Did that and it worked out very well for us XDD

Being kicked from shell 1st counts as

"Don't be a pussy. Tell him he sucks, punch him in the face, and leave the LS taking as many people as humanly possible. DESTROY THEM."

People didn't leave because of you it was because Etterni left because of you, the situation had a lot to deal with loot seeing someone that got 3/5 of our pieces of homam leave off our very 1st 2 Omegas we did / only recently did 3rd Omega before this went down.

Basically the whole thing of the ls equipping etterni with W legs, 3/5 homam, and basically took him from nothing to a pretty well skilled/equipped PLD. That is what made people just say fuck it since Etterni had no loyalty what's so ever and even had a open app to Omen being in your ls so he didn't even care about your ls was just using it as backup(and still is) since Omen didn't accept him. Things like this make you see peoples true colors.

Now to get back to reform of my ls as magicstick shellholder, Magicstick and I are both 50/50 leading and we started about 1 month later then your shell due to taking break from game and etc. we completed 1 Omega set / did it on our 4th limbus run(since double up 2/4 runs needed 1 night). we won 10 mins flat with ease 0 tank deaths etc but with only 14 members our 1st try with majority new people. Sath linkshell 17-18 members wiped 1st try, 2nd try won(though 15+ mins with 17 members but they might of been holding Omega for gunpods if they were props to them but still sounded like some tank deaths and I am sure some misc deaths). Why I am saying misc deaths because our shell had few deaths mostly blms, so unless they just had tank die they must of (wasn't there so I wouldn't know).

Now where does Sath shell stand on Ultima / Omega pops currently?(will have to wait for his reply) Our shell is 1/4 Omega 6/6 Ultima(should of been able to enter Ultima last Sunday but limbus before didn't do limbus due to hnm camps / getting late. I am pretty sure today would of been official date if we only did 2x limbus a week anyways due to doing about 3 runs a week(some loses due to learning how to win with 5/6 members in each route but clearing 85-90% of monsters if not100%.)

Though in about 5 hours of sea farming total our ls has killed faith, mnk, and temperance 2 hours or so 1st farming we did 3 hours to 3.5 for mnk / temperance on 2nd. done 4LOLKirins, 2 Byakko, and misc gods with 5 successful 10-15 mins ks99 KB win and other 2 we tried to melee burned which lost both 1st went really bad 2nd went well till about 20-30% and couldn't pull off win other 5 we just blm burned with like 4 bms 2 rngs misc dd. imo pretty good thinking we started about 1 month after sath ls formed. Not elite or anything but just a mid-endgame shell.

Sath shell has done multiple tier 2 jailers / got pops / limbus / and misc events like us pop nms and etc I am sure. Sath ls has done very well in sea but only doing sea for majority of ls time(I personally would consider lame) So props to them on sea success.

Did that and it worked out very well for us XDD

So lets get back to this quote a sum it up.
1.) You were kicked with 1 other member that night.
2.) Etterni following you is what Destroy shell.
3.) Yes your shell is doing well in sea only (so all together shell is doing well but that's only thing your shell does so I don't see any problem with that).
4.) 1/2 on success on Omega with almost full ally if not full ally. Oh yeah we won 1st attempt with only 14 10 mins flat (since didn't want to hold with only 14)
5.) Rocl was referring to destroying the shell where they would be balls and your shell would be 1337.
6.) That's wrong since our shell you can't say is not doing just as well as yours or may I even say it might actually be doing better? Though I am just going to say were equal since I could really careless.

Careless why? Reason being this post wasn't about how is better or whatever it was about falsely advertising on something that didn't go down like that quote referred to.

Sath please reply with something intelligent instead of like retarded. I didn't say your ls sucks or anything I was just comparing it to ours / overall. Whole point of going over both ls history so I had backup of saying how you were falsely advertising an event that never was made by you.

What really happened: You were kicked for causing a lot of drama in shell as well as other person + things like telling people they suck and etc. A key LS member decided to follow you because I kicked who also put in app to Omen(Etterni) due to etterni leaving majority of other key members left but not all. You build a new shell that does sea and is successful @ it meanwhile the shell you were kicked from reformed under new name and is doing equally as good as your shell.