NIN/RDM. On Ultima.

[Lockecole]

we've had smooth Ultimas without it.

to say you would've lost a battle because of the lack of a single item says a lot about your strat (or execution thereof).

Not really. Only our last two have we had Aegis. Shit goes bad, and Aegis saved us on a particular one. Do I know that we would have wiped without it? Probably not, we havent wiped to anything in as long as I can remember, I dont see it happening, but to even think that a single item kept us alive and going, says alot about it. When you only have 2 tanks and one is dead, when that single item keeps that tank alive, I'd say its all about the item and not about your strat.

[Tordall]

This may be long since on the derail, but I thought I'ld share the strategy that the limbus shell I'm in uses.

Suicide bard.

When the countdown starts for CB, everyone runs into the next room except for a bard. The bard runs to the opposite wall and pops off chocobo and raptor mazurka, then waits to die.

Once the bard dies, everyone else runs back in and starts fighting again.

Not that I've been on many Ultima fights yet, but the one time that Mazurkax2 didn't take hate was when a samurai was spamming weaponskills during the countdown.

[layoneil]

Do I know that we would have wiped without it? Probably not

than you didn't win because of a single item. i know it's a great item but it's not win or lose like your first post made it out to be.

[Sylvana]

I always thought resentment cape doesn't work for lumoria on the ground it wasn't part of conquest.

Resentment Cape does work in Sea. Ive tested it out myself and it's active. Like lordwafik said (I think) all sea counts as outside your nations control criteria.

[GSDragoon]

For "Outside of own Nation's Control" items to work in sea, you need signet, same with Dynamis.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

So we just beat prudence with 2hs and pure zerg. Took 1h with around 5 wipes.

Oh and then wiped to Justice.

[phizit]

So we just beat prudence with 2hs and pure zerg. Took 1h with around 5 wipes.

Oh and then wiped to Justice.

Meh kind of sounds like ls I am in. We do Proto-Ultima 45 min win np go 1/1(2x legs FTW). we had 1 of each tier 2 pops but by time we pop them went down to 14 for hope, easy win. Figured no chance in hell for prudence but would be fun to pop justice so we get 1 more brd to make 15 people, 2 tanks, 1 rdm, 2 whms, 2 brds, and 4 blms. Transition from 1st to 2nd set of blms didn't go so well and ended up getting it to 35% before we wiped.

Though next time we pop it we should kill np since fight is really easy just require your blms to be 100% focus, also got a add somewhere while fighting it too which didn't help being @ only 15. 1st time popping both of those tier 2s so I am not sure if most ls normally wipe 1st pop or are successful on fights like justice. I am also assuming most linkshells pop him with atleast 6 blms just to be safe, since 1 mess up with 4 blms and really hard to recover.

[layoneil]

Though next time we pop it we should kill np since fight is really easy just require your blms to be 100% focus, also got a add somewhere while fighting it too which didn't help being @ only 15. 1st time popping both of those tier 2s so I am not sure if most ls normally wipe 1st pop or are successful on fights like justice. I am also assuming most linkshells pop him with atleast 6 blms just to be safe, since 1 mess up with 4 blms and really hard to recover.

never lost to a tier 2 jailer, though Prudence wiped the floor with us a few times and we had to zombie it to keep it from depopping while people raised up.

since it's a set pop, we always get more people to show up than what you had so it's not a totally fair comparison.

[phizit]

Yeah it was late @ the time of popping it was like 11:00 PM EST most members had to work and etc. we currently have 4 more Ix'drk deeds and 3 sets of M chips to pop 3x foritudes so it's not a big lost though 2-4 hours max of wasted time + gather / pop time wasted on justice. That time doesn't includ farming m chips since we always farm those otw to ix'mnk/JOT.

I would say justice or prudence would be the least painful stones to lose overall. Hope just sucks because JOT can be very annoying / requires a melee group verus tipical manaburn sea all around is.

[chiz]

For Justice, just make sure your add PT/Ally has ample +MP. You can probably just TP burn them as well with a typical 3 DD, 3 support set-up. We use BLMs and try to make sure they have +6MP, all you need is 3-4 good BLMs as long as they don't run out of MP.

Justice itself is a joke though, just shore up your add PT/ally first and you can kill Justice with as few as 6-7 people. 2 tanks, 2 melee DD, RDM + BRD and another healer if you wanted.

Prudence can be a pain for sure if it catches you off guard. Just make sure your mages are ready and let people know its no joke. Its just a different pace from the other outside Jailers so you need to be prepared for it heh. Helps if BRDs use /NIN and everyone should use RR items if you're low on #s.

[NynJa]

Key to a smooth Ultima.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6826

To say you won a battle because of a single item, says alot about that item.

I know a LS whos pld has an Aegis and D.Ring, yet got raped hardcore in bahamut v2 lawlz.

Aegis wont make or break, SOSOLLY.

[NynJa]

2 tanks, 2 melee DD, RDM + BRD and another healer if you wanted.

bullshit

the charm lasts fucking long, long enough for two tanks to be charmed at any given time.

[chiz]

2 tanks, 2 melee DD, RDM + BRD and another healer if you wanted.

bullshit

the charm lasts fucking long, long enough for two tanks to be charmed at any given time.

I've tanked Justice for 3-4 minutes as THF/NIN, a WAR/NIN and even a SAM/THF did as well. Justice itself is a joke, its like an IT Squid that blinds you a lot.

[BerenTebogo]

I'm jealous

It's ok, just keep at it bud, you'll get it right eventually.

And regarding Etterni:

The fact that he is one of the nicest PLDs around and is fun to have in a main alliance aside, you are left with a PLD who tanks things in homam body, a PLD who tanks things in Haubergeon, and a PLD character that you have the PW too but never actually leveled PLD to play.

We love Etterni, and oh boy, if he's using us, his conquests of Justice swords and virtue stones are detrimental to us all. However will we ever recover.

I don't even really feel that it's necessary for me to make this post, because all parties involved know its fucking LOL, but I am anyways, because well, it's just too easy with you bud.

Give more noobs who come into your LS for like a week gear over veteran members, see how many more people leave your LS, just cuz I turn them down along with the other LS's they apply to doesn't mean they're not trying to leave.

[Lockecole]

Key to a smooth Ultima.

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6826

To say you won a battle because of a single item, says alot about that item.

I know a LS whos pld has an Aegis and D.Ring, yet got raped hardcore in bahamut v2 lawlz.

Aegis wont make or break, SOSOLLY.

Uhhh Magic damage would cap anyway without the D.Ring, so kinda pointless to mention it. Regardless, without ANY support a smart PLD with Aegis can survive Citadel Buster. Something thats very essential when things get messy. I never said it will make idiots win a fight.

[Mashu]

Sath please reply with something intelligent instead of like retarded.

roflmao. This is the funniest thing I've ever seen you post, Armand. '-' Keep it up.

besides, you don't really need tanks just delays the inevitability of your shell wiping~

[Etterni]

Hopefully this clears some stuff up...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...erni/stuff.jpg

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Yeah it was late @ the time of popping it was like 11:00 PM EST most members had to work and etc. we currently have 4 more Ix'drk deeds and 3 sets of M chips to pop 3x foritudes so it's not a big lost though 2-4 hours max of wasted time + gather / pop time wasted on justice. That time doesn't includ farming m chips since we always farm those otw to ix'mnk/JOT.

I would say justice or prudence would be the least painful stones to lose overall. Hope just sucks because JOT can be very annoying / requires a melee group verus tipical manaburn sea all around is.

>_> We hardly manaburn anything. Most of the T1s can be done with melees. Fort and Faith being the exceptions (though RNG works well on faith and decently on fort). T2s though... only on justice are melees actually USEFUL.

[BerenTebogo]

you keep the dumbest SS's ett lol

no justices torques

just 1 hope torque

but you keep deed of sensibility, ohhhwow

<333 you lol

[Etterni]

thats actually sumas and yours <_< and i wasnt there for the justice torque D: