RU RU RU

[BRP]

They won ;o.

[Akiyama]

In my opinion, Rutgers going to a bigger bowl than a regular one, possibly a BCS one, maybe Rutgers can play a Florida team, or a Texas team.. maybe a Michigan team. It would be interesting to see how they fair against a "higher-powered" team.

Yanno something interesting.. Louisville beat Kentucky earlier in the year by what.. 33? Florida beat them by 19. That's one game you can compare. Another is how bad Rutgers beat Illinois.. who beat Iowa and a team who Ohio State barely squeezed a win against.

Ah well. Gogo Auburn now. Beat Georgia who's a real big flop this year.. beat Alabama, get some help with an Arkansas loss and we'll be in business.

*Edit* Also yeah, I know Rutgers had it easy, but just like Louisville and WV.. people who say the Big East are jokes. Heh, I'm one of the SEC fans who actually defend them. I would like to see Louisville play someone like Florida.. or LSU, or Auburn.

[Byrd]

Difference however, is Rutgers played 1 team the whole season that can go to a bowl, where as louisville played 4? Louisville actually tried to schedule good teams (schedules are made years in advance) by scheduling K.state, Miami when these were premier programs. They have just flopped lately. Rutgers pretty much got on the phone 4 years ago and dialed in automatic wins. They admitted that they scheduled very easy to help rebuild the program. Doubt there will be much comlpaining when they don't go to the BCS championship. Welp, grats SEC. Since louisville won't go, would like to see auburn or florida, or even notre dame if they were to get the chance. Really hope michigan and ohio state just don't play in a re-match.

If Rutgers beats WVU, Louisville, Pitt and South Florida (all bowl teams), they'll have a case. Not that anyone outside of New Jersey will believe they belong in the championship game, but the fact that one of the 6 BCS conferences had a team which went undefeated and was passed over for another one loss team will expose yet another problem with the system. That particular scenario hasn't happened before. (Of course, I think Rutgers will lose in Morgantown, but that's not the issue here).

And if USC finishes the season with only one loss, they'll be in the championship conversation as well. Non-conference victories over Nebraska, Arkansas and Notre Dame will vault them into the top few.

My best guess for championship game? Ohio State vs. Texas. Too many potential land mines between USC, Auburn and Florida and the BCS title game.

[Brien]

Gratz texas National Championship game! HOOK EM!

thats if we beat nebraska...

[Akiyama]

I dunno. USC beat Arkansas back when Arkansas was a weak team, or ranked for that matter. Now Arkansas is dangerous. McFadden is a manbeast. If USC/Arkansas played again, I honestly think Arkansas could win. Auburn got leveled by Arkansas though, which vaulted them into the ranks and earned Arkansas assloads of respect. USC is by far the most overrated team of the top 10 this year though. (In my opinion) If Oregon doesn't beat them, California will. I think they will finish with 2 losses.

My ideal BCS Championship game? Ohio State vs Notre Dame or Ohio State vs Auburn. I'd like to see it, but I doubt it will. It'll probably be Texas or maybe Florida. One thing I do NOT want to see is what all these people are people are talking about with.. "what if Ohio State loses to Michigan by 1 point in a 3rd OT..blahblah, shouldn't they have enough of a lead in the BCS to meet again?" My answer, no. That wouldn't be fair. Ohio State/Michigan had their chance in their rivalry game to beat one another.. the loser doesn't deserve another shot.

[Jerseyprophet]

We Are...










Penn State!

[Anyway]

We Are...










Penn State!

COME ON MAN, JERSEY PRIDE BOOOOOOOOOY. You drive on the parkway today? There was signs for Rutgers Parking that way ---> and EVERYONE was beeping as they went by.

[Tyche]

Difference however, is Rutgers played 1 team the whole season that can go to a bowl, where as louisville played 4? Louisville actually tried to schedule good teams (schedules are made years in advance) by scheduling K.state, Miami when these were premier programs. They have just flopped lately. Rutgers pretty much got on the phone 4 years ago and dialed in automatic wins. They admitted that they scheduled very easy to help rebuild the program. Doubt there will be much comlpaining when they don't go to the BCS championship. Welp, grats SEC. Since louisville won't go, would like to see auburn or florida, or even notre dame if they were to get the chance. Really hope michigan and ohio state just don't play in a re-match.

If Rutgers beats WVU, Louisville, Pitt and South Florida (all bowl teams), they'll have a case. Not that anyone outside of New Jersey will believe they belong in the championship game, but the fact that one of the 6 BCS conferences had a team which went undefeated and was passed over for another one loss team will expose yet another problem with the system. That particular scenario hasn't happened before. (Of course, I think Rutgers will lose in Morgantown, but that's not the issue here).

And if USC finishes the season with only one loss, they'll be in the championship conversation as well. Non-conference victories over Nebraska, Arkansas and Notre Dame will vault them into the top few.

My best guess for championship game? Ohio State vs. Texas. Too many potential land mines between USC, Auburn and Florida and the BCS title game.

Theres no question theres a problem with the system, that i 100% agree with, but in the current system, when rutgers admittedly scheduled very weak out of conference games, id have a hard time allowing them to play over a 1 loss USC team who will play anyone because they know their conference blows. Or a 1 loss SEC team who plays tough teams week in and week out and has a conference championship (which big east doesn't). I really do hope that rutgers do finish undefeated and go to national championship. Oh i can hear it now :D. Really sick of BCS bowls, and the "Every week counts" mentality (which is complete and utter bullshit, the college football regular season is the most meaningless regular season for 98% of the teams in Div 1). Get a 4 or 8 team playoff, you can keep BCS, keep the bowls, and just schedule another game or two. In every sport the best team doesn't win the championship. Baseball (was the cards the best team?), basketball (was heat best team?), football (was steelers best team), college basketball (holy shit george mason), and even last year's chamionship game, USC was so much more talented than texas. Get a playoff, give teams like louisville, rutgers, Wake FOrest, etc a chance to play the big boys on center stage.

[Plow]

Difference however, is Rutgers played 1 team the whole season that can go to a bowl, where as louisville played 4? Louisville actually tried to schedule good teams (schedules are made years in advance) by scheduling K.state, Miami when these were premier programs. They have just flopped lately. Rutgers pretty much got on the phone 4 years ago and dialed in automatic wins. They admitted that they scheduled very easy to help rebuild the program. Doubt there will be much comlpaining when they don't go to the BCS championship. Welp, grats SEC. Since louisville won't go, would like to see auburn or florida, or even notre dame if they were to get the chance. Really hope michigan and ohio state just don't play in a re-match.

If Rutgers beats WVU, Louisville, Pitt and South Florida (all bowl teams), they'll have a case. Not that anyone outside of New Jersey will believe they belong in the championship game, but the fact that one of the 6 BCS conferences had a team which went undefeated and was passed over for another one loss team will expose yet another problem with the system. That particular scenario hasn't happened before. (Of course, I think Rutgers will lose in Morgantown, but that's not the issue here).

And if USC finishes the season with only one loss, they'll be in the championship conversation as well. Non-conference victories over Nebraska, Arkansas and Notre Dame will vault them into the top few.

My best guess for championship game? Ohio State vs. Texas. Too many potential land mines between USC, Auburn and Florida and the BCS title game.

Theres no question theres a problem with the system, that i 100% agree with, but in the current system, when rutgers admittedly scheduled very weak out of conference games, id have a hard time allowing them to play over a 1 loss USC team who will play anyone because they know their conference blows. Or a 1 loss SEC team who plays tough teams week in and week out and has a conference championship (which big east doesn't). I really do hope that rutgers do finish undefeated and go to national championship. Oh i can hear it now :D. Really sick of BCS bowls, and the "Every week counts" mentality (which is complete and utter bullshit, the college football regular season is the most meaningless regular season for 98% of the teams in Div 1). Get a 4 or 8 team playoff, you can keep BCS, keep the bowls, and just schedule another game or two. In every sport the best team doesn't win the championship. Baseball (was the cards the best team?), basketball (was heat best team?), football (was steelers best team), college basketball (holy shit george mason), and even last year's chamionship game, USC was so much more talented than texas. Get a playoff, give teams like louisville, rutgers, Wake FOrest, etc a chance to play the big boys on center stage.

Vince Young had more talent than the entire rest of NCAA football combined last year

[Avvesione]

Get a playoff, give teams like louisville, rutgers, Wake FOrest, etc a chance to play the big boys on center stage.

If there were even a 16 team playoff system, Louisville, Rutgers and Wake Forest might have the chance to be in it, but think about the future. Could you imagine always having Florida, USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. always getting in to the playoffs?

The way things are right now are alright, imo. I'd really hate to see the final four in college football playoffs always be the same. But then again, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try playoffs for a few seasons and see how things work out.

[Tyche]

1. Matt Leinart is a better QB than vince young, sorry, he just is.

2. YOu say "Well, texas, USC, Ohio state, etc would be in the final four every year". However, Duke, UCONN, Kentucky, etc are alwasy the best basketball teams every year, but they don't alway make the final four. Yankees are always the best regular season team, they don't always make the ALCS, Colts have been the best regular season football team the past 4 years, but...yeah. PLayoffs are a whole different ball game altogether. Teams change inpost season play.

[Byrd]

If there were even a 16 team playoff system, Louisville, Rutgers and Wake Forest might have the chance to be in it, but think about the future. Could you imagine always having Florida, USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. always getting in to the playoffs?

The way things are right now are alright, imo. I'd really hate to see the final four in college football playoffs always be the same. But then again, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try playoffs for a few seasons and see how things work out.

16 is too many -- a 9-3 BCS conference team ranked #16 should not have a chance at the national title at the end of the year. In any given football year, there are MAYBE four to six teams with a legit claim that they are the best team in college football at the end of the year.

An effective playoff is one that only includes the team whose regular season has given them a chance to prove they are the best. Last year was perfect -- there were two teams in the country who clearly were the cream of the crop. Did we really need a playoff? No. This year, if the OSU-Michigan winner wins the BCS championship game, do we need a playoff? No. If they lose, there will be 4-6 teams who all have a legit claim at being the best team.

While I admit a 16-team playoff would be very exciting, it would reduce the importance of the regular season (see college basketball) and would greatly reduce the odds of the best team being the champion. Of course, this would clearly be the most exciting format.

Get rid of the championship game, but keep the BCS games and the bowls. After the bowls (which should end on Jan 1) have a committee analyze who still has a legit claim on the national title. If there is 1 team (i.e. last year), no game necessary. 2 teams (2004), great! 3 teams, better find a 4th, but give home field to the better team. 4 teams? Also great. Who is on this committee? The only people on the planet whose financial well being actually depends on their impartiality: Vegas oddsmakers.

TV will never, ever, ever let this happen, but it's the best way to find a national champion.

Ultimately, I'll root for some revamp of the system simply because the system is, IMHO, corrupt. The goal is only superficially to find the best team(s), ultimately it's about making money. People can financially profit by voting a certain way (witness Texas in BCS in 2004). Taking people out of the equation is impossible, putting it all on the field is the best way to do things. It's deterimining the method for who gets to play for it on the field that's the tricky part.

[Ryany]

Illinois was on the schedule for Rutgers this year and Illinois was in a BCS Bowl 5 years ago. What's the significance of this? There's a good chance that Rutgers scheduled Illinois based off of that season since schedules are made that far in advance.

Rutgers has went through possibly the most impressive rebuilding I have ever seen in my lifetime for college football. I believe I called Rutgers the worst team in all of college football for at least a few weeks 4 years ago when they went 1-11. Their coach should be coach of the year even if they lose all 3 games remaining on their schedule.

With that being said, I still don't think they deserve to be in the National Championship unless the top 3 to 4 1-loss teams lose again and Michigan loses twice.

[Boyiee]

wow just noticed this thread.



FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Byrd]

With that being said, I still don't think they deserve to be in the National Championship unless the top 3 to 4 1-loss teams lose again and Michigan loses twice.

I think Florida, Texas, Auburn, USC, Cal, Notre Dame, Arkansas and the OSU-Michigan loser would all need to lose one more before Rutgers would get even a sniff at the title game.

[Ryany]

The whole problem with a playoff system is where do you draw the line? It will just change things from the 3rd place team to the 9th place team complaining. If you look at college basketball, 65 is still not enough to keep teams from bitching about getting left out.

As for the playoffs going deep enough to give everyone with a realistic chance a chance, we all have to remember the 1985 college basketball season. I believe Villanova was an 8-seed, so that would make them the 29th-32nd best team in the nation going into the tournament. They still won a National Championship.

[Byrd]

The whole problem with a playoff system is where do you draw the line? It will just change things from the 3rd place team to the 9th place team complaining. If you look at college basketball, 65 is still not enough to keep teams from bitching about getting left out.

Thus the beauty of having an optional playoff with a non-fixed number of teams involved. Base the number of teams in the playoff of merit, rather than some pre-determined number.

As for the playoffs going deep enough to give everyone with a realistic chance a chance, we all have to remember the 1985 college basketball season. I believe Villanova was an 8-seed, so that would make them the 29th-32nd best team in the nation going into the tournament. They still won a National Championship.

The fact that they had the chance to play for it completely makes the regular season largely insignificant. They finished middle-of-the-pack (maybe top third) in their conference, and still got as much of a chance at a national title as their #1 ranked conference champion?

That's one of the best parts about college football. The regular season matters more than in any other sport. Having a very small playoff system at the end of the season IF there were a legitimate debate about who was the best wouldn't affect that. Having a 16 team tournament certainly would.

[Avvesione]

Rutgers has went through possibly the most impressive rebuilding I have ever seen in my lifetime for college football. I believe I called Rutgers the worst team in all of college football for at least a few weeks 4 years ago when they went 1-11.

It isn't rebuilding if they fall flat on their faces in the next year or so. And technically rebuilding means to restore to a previous state (meaning rebuilding Rutgers wouldn't be a positive thing).

Personally, when you talk about rebuilding, two teams come to mind. First is USC and second is Oklahoma. USC was 6-6, 5-7, 6-6 in 1999, 2000 and 2001. Since 2002 they've lost 5 games (by a combined total of 18 points) and gone to 4 BCS bowls (2 Orange, 2 Rose). Oklahoma went from 19-27 (in 1996-1999) to 61-7 (in 2000-2004).

But I'd have to say, I never thought I'd see Rutgers in a BCS bowl. (I think they have the tie-breaker even if they lose to W. Virgina?)

[Plow]

1. Matt Leinart is a better QB than vince young, sorry, he just is.
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PLayoffs are a whole different ball game altogether. Teams change inpost season play.

I can't think of a much better way to say it myself. Leinart might have the better arm. He might have the better brain. He might have the better skillset period.

But when your team just can't beat the other team, Leinart won't make it happen. Vince Young will do it like Mike.

[layoneil]

Get rid of the championship game, but keep the BCS games and the bowls. After the bowls (which should end on Jan 1) have a committee analyze who still has a legit claim on the national title. If there is 1 team (i.e. last year), no game necessary. 2 teams (2004), great! 3 teams, better find a 4th, but give home field to the better team. 4 teams? Also great. Who is on this committee? The only people on the planet whose financial well being actually depends on their impartiality: Vegas oddsmakers.

TV will never, ever, ever let this happen, but it's the best way to find a national champion.

even without TV, the logistics of a game that may or may not happen is ridiculous.

just thinking about reserving a venue and hotel accomodations for the players and coaches and than putting a "neutral" crowd in the stands.

something like that only works in a series when teams alternate games at their home venues. in a single game event, you have to have the game.