Drk weapon question

[Ryko]

Kraken, the instances where I use scythe on HNMs as is is pretty low.

[NynJa]

Amenzhole = Amenzul, Lance's "sidekick"
Manvina = Maevina, Lance's e-gf, notorious for maleeing as whm/nin with a precious prudence torque...no she doesnt have blm lvled. Even went whm/nin to bahamut v2.

[Mrp]

(not sure how much Kraken is on your server, its only like 50-55M on Siren.) Relics are still about 300m?

Kraken is 70m+ and this relic (since its byne) is probably around 200m.

Wow on Bismarck server they go for 35m or even lower

[Dbill]

ok Eternus, we get the point.

You think relic weapons are a waste of time and money. You've adamantly posted this in about 5 threads now. WE GET THE FUCKING POINT, GO TROLL YOUR "FUCK RELICS" MENTALITY ELSEWHERE.

Lol number one thing about Eternus seems to me is he is one that joins an HNMLS, does nothing but shows up to events, sits on the sidelines and leeches his gear. Plus Relic is something he can never ever ever ever get.

My point is about Catastrophe is Kirschy doesn't know how to test it. Go over to the final relics thread and look near the last page. She has asked for some idea how to test it out with different gear.

[Ryko]

Amenzhole = Amenzul, Lance's "sidekick"
Manvina = Maevina, Lance's e-gf, notorious for maleeing as whm/nin with a precious prudence torque...no she doesnt have blm lvled. Even went whm/nin to bahamut v2.

Technically that last part isn't an especially bad idea.

[Kirschy]

I've had Apoc since August... and a Kraken for a lot longer than that. For someone who camps HNM regularli, Wyrms, Dynamis, Limbus, Merits.... Apoc is by far more useful. Although I also have NIN and SMN to use whenever, I'm mostly on DRK. The times I'll use Kraken...

Aspi/Ada. I leveled up a secondary WHM character.... so during Aspi I spam Souleater whenever it's up (1 min up, 4 min down /w merits), and spam Cure myself... it's very good damage.

Dynamis Lord. I don't think there's any better damage on DL than a Kraken DRK.

KV. Like Dynamis Lord.... It's great dps.

Kirin... It goes both ways... If 2HR is up and we're going to try and zerg it under 3 mins... Kraken all the way. If we have a lot of pops... Apoc.

For Dynamis/Limbus/Merit. I've experimented with DRK/NIN offhanding kraken... it's very effective, but I enjoy using Apoc and a sub other than ninja when I can manage. (Depending on where we're xping, axe/kraken actualli outparses Apoc)

Fafhogg/Cerb/Hydra/KB, etc.... Kraken is pretti useless in these situations... I've done it for shits and giggles before, but it's nothing close to effective. Apoc usualli shines on these fights for me. I have great damage output, and it's easy to /nin and tank my own hate.

Wyrms, Baha... Honestly I rarely ever play DRK on them. I'm usualli tanking as Ninja, or spamming hateless Bloodpact damage. I can't realli see how Kraken would be useful in those situations.

Both are great weapons and unlock the potential (hah what?) of the job. Because I have my own person WHM to follow me and spam cure at will, I get a lot more out of the Kraken than most DRK I'd say. But I still find myself rarely using it. If I had to give up one, it'd be the kraken.

EDIT: Yea I still haven't tested the mods, ftp, and all that other junk on the WS... But I know it's not gonna turn Catastrophe into anything amazing. Guillotine is always going to be my best WS, it's 4-Hits and I have no problem hitting HNMs, even with meat.

[Eternus]

Lol number one thing about Eternus seems to me is he is one that joins an HNMLS, does nothing but shows up to events, sits on the sidelines and leeches his gear. Plus Relic is something he can never ever ever ever get.

My point is about Catastrophe is Kirschy doesn't know how to test it. Go over to the final relics thread and look near the last page. She has asked for some idea how to test it out with different gear.

Lol number one thing about Dbill seems to me is he is a giant faggot who knows nothing about me. Seriously I don't sit on the sidelines man, I am a BRD and my job actually is useful. That and I have never leeched any of my gear. I never wanted relic, even when I was asked if I was interested I said fuck no. Might as well quit FFXI if what you think you need to do to "beat the game" is get relic. This isn't a game where the best items in the game make a big difference.

The equip will not make that huge of a difference for Kirschy.. he has plenty of great equipment already (almost full hecatomb for WS lol). Isn't the WS mod something retarded like MND anyway lol. All he needs to do is have a BRD give him etudes to find out what he needs to buy lol... pretty damn simple testing method. I doubt that WS will ever out damage 300 TP spiral hell or guillotine... that makes it worthless.

[Beckwin]

Kraken also has a multi-job thing going for it. Really nice for RNG and PLD/NIN in merits. Also, quickest way to skillup your Club by far >.>

[chiz]

Dagger does suck, I have seen the epenis MS screenshots and I have seen a THF without relic out damage that with Dancing Edge on the same mobs. A THF without relic has similar damage WS numbers than a THF with relic. Thats pretty fucking sad. This is of course on HNM, where end game gear supposedly really matters.

You're an idiot. I can guarantee you there's no THF w/out relic that can match Mandau in WS frequency and damage, the only time THFs are putting up numbers that come close to Mercy Stroke is with DE/Evisc/SB is when they /DRK, TP off to the side and use 10 job abilities every 5 minutes. Not to mention a relic THF could simply use Dancing Edge (since its so fucking godly rite?) and still put up higher numbers than a non-relic user.

Back on-topic. I still think Apoc has hope, but its hard to say based on what we've seen. Kirschy seems to be the only one posting on it but I think its similar to a Gungnir situation where he's going at it in the wrong direction. If Catastrophe's mods are indeed 40% INT/AGI, might be better off going with +Attack and trying to push pDIF instead of weak WSC mods with /THF. Its a similar situation with SAM/THF, for TA+WS, need to use more +Attack and Accuracy instead of balls out STR like SA+WS. SAM WS do have a slight edge though since any STR they leave in translates into Attack at a 2:1 clip.

I don't get to play DRK much, but when I do its pretty much only for Kclub spam. I take DRK/NIN usually, so its pretty bland outside of that minute of glory every 2 hours. I'm not sure how effective Abs-TP is on HNMs, though I've seen very impressive results on some HNMs (Tiamat, Fafhogg), but I was hoping Abs-TP might give DRK the ability to WS nearly as frequently as a SAM/THF on harder stuff so they could SC reliably and alternate TA+WS and SA+WS for hate control and damage.

[Tom Chambers]

Kraken, the instances where I use scythe on HNMs as is is pretty low.

Don't you think that could be a product of only going to events using your DRK if you already know that DRK+KClub is gonna be the best option? I mean, I don't know, so maybe that's just wrong and you use your DRK for most things. But I'd think that in most cases you'd go as another job unless you're specifically needed on DRK, using a Kraken.

[Eternus]

Nah Dancing Edge isn't that godly lol. Evisceration is better than it used to be though. I used DE as an example because its damage isn't absolute dogshit without SA. MS isn't that impressive and the TP build is the best part of relic to some extent only because of the 3x damage proc. Oh wait the 3x damage does jack shit for TP build, and Mandau just gets by with its dmg vs delay (which isn't that overwhelming). Really I bet you are sore for upgrading it and don't want to hear how you wasted time. Probably wish you upgraded a relic for some other job that is actually worth a damn. Mandau should have some Treasure Hunter on it lmao. Even with Mandau I would rather have a Hagun wielding SAM/THF anyday over a THF on HNM.

[Lithiani]

Isn't the WS mod something retarded like MND anyway lol. All he needs to do is have a BRD give him etudes to find out what he needs to buy lol... pretty damn simple testing method. I doubt that WS will ever out damage 300 TP spiral hell or guillotine... that makes it worthless.

Isn't the damage on the WS unrelated to TP (other than having 100%+, obviously) for all relic WS? In which case comparing a 300% WS where damage is affected by TP with a 300% WS where it isn't is faintly retarded.

Regarding the question: knowing several DRKs with KClub, and knowing that they use it for at most 1 minute out of 2 hours, using Great Sword the rest of the time (or dual-wielding Man/Rid), then the answer is probably Scythe. Although to be honest the best thing about the weapon is probably the +20 accuracy, a stat well worth the 200mil alone.

[Alleya]

Kraken because hume females look stupid weilding scythe.

[Gnu]

Kraken because hume females look stupid weilding scythe.

you mean, basically all the 2-handed weapons in game?

[Kirschy]

I've tried a lot of different WS setups with catastrophe, and none of them put up the numbers I was looking for. Nothing even close to being useful over Guillotine. I'm gonna test out the mods for sure on Cata after HNMs on server up, and find out for sure whats goin on with the WS.

As for Abs-TP. It was shit before... and now it's horrid. I have almost a full Dark Magic Skill+ build and 8 merits in Dark Magic Skill (God, Fuck me for wasting all those merits.... they patched it right after I finished.)
Prepatch I was able to get 70-90 off Faf/Nid if it landed when it had TP, I'm sure I could get more if Faf didn't spam WS so damn often... Post patch (the change was 1/2 TP return), I get like 35-45... Tiamat resists the hell out of Abs-TP with 320ish Dark Magic Skill, and Bahamut was like 20-40 tp.

Since it's on topic... Last time I fought Tiamat, I pulled the flys near by and TPed on them while Tiamt was in the air, and cured myself with my WHM. That worked fine, I could usualli get 300tp fairly easy for decent SA Spiral Damage. Not to mention TPing on Tiamat is easy. Using Red Curry I hit for about 100 a swing, and rarely miss.

EDIT:

Kraken because hume females look stupid weilding scythe.

you mean, basically all the 2-handed weapons in game?

Hate you

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...Catastrophe has a haste side effect...Kind of a big deal ya know? Assuming 100 tp = 20 seconds, 200 = 40, 300 = 60 and knowing that it stacks with spells/songs I'd say that Catastrophe is still friggin great. Its better than spiral hell simply because you can use it 3x as often for around 1/2 the damage and get a nice haste bonus. Its not as good epeen as guillo but its extremely effective. It also softens the souleater blow on your HP, which is great for situations where you dont have a kclub+2h or a kclub+a bunch of WHMs spamming cure (aka almost all the situations in the game.)

[Lordender]

Kraken club by far, the damage in sig was done with dragoon sub using a krakenclub and with my current hp set up i can hit up to 246 a hit.

[chiz]

Nah Dancing Edge isn't that godly lol. Evisceration is better than it used to be though. I used DE as an example because its damage isn't absolute dogshit without SA.

We are talking HNMs right? Because DE's damage is dogshit on HNMs with or without SA (unless you were referring to Roc or Simurgh? lol)

MS isn't that impressive and the TP build is the best part of relic to some extent only because of the 3x damage proc.

Actually the lowest delay of any end-game dagger and the +20 Attack suit my Haste/Accuracy build quite nicely. 3x damage is nice but unreliable and counts for TP gain same as any other strike.

Oh wait the 3x damage does jack shit for TP build, and Mandau just gets by with its dmg vs delay (which isn't that overwhelming).

And a WS that outclasses every other THF WS by far (on HNMs of course) and does more on TA+WS than any other job in the game.

Really I bet you are sore for upgrading it and don't want to hear how you wasted time. Probably wish you upgraded a relic for some other job that is actually worth a damn.

Really? Last time I checked there was only 1 job that made a mob drop phat lewtz. It also happens to be able to use Mandau lol. Fact of the matter is, there isn't an HNM yet that has made me think twice about Mandau or coming as THF vs. another DD job.

Mandau should have some Treasure Hunter on it lmao.

Hint: It does. It allows me to come on THF and perform as well or better than any other DD job, and on the ones that THF doesn't do so well on, Mandau/Mercy Stroke still do infinitely better than a non-relic THF.

Even with Mandau I would rather have a Hagun wielding SAM/THF anyday over a THF on HNM.

Because you can never get enough fire crystals.......

[Gnu]

with my current hp set up i can hit up to 246 a hit.

got me convinced

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