Drk weapon question

[Lithiani]

You know, some of us actually enjoy playing those 3 hours of the game in Dynamis so much that we pay a monthly fee.

I feel really sorry for you. Limbus >>>>>>> Dynamis. Faster paced with good rewards for just about everyone. AF2 is decent but some AF+1 destroys it for certain jobs. The Shadow items are disappointing and after you beat DL Dynamis is a chore at best. The only fun thing you can do in Dynamis is PK charmed people. You don't have to go to Dynamis to do that anymore thankfully.

You feel sorry for me, because I'm having fun, and you're not?

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[Kirschy]

Yea the haste is 10%. As for the Additional Effect: Drain... I spammed it on a friend in pvp... He only took the WS damage. (And the amount I got back always varied.)

As for Mandau THF on Fafnir... I can get some pics from him when server is back up, but he's put up multiple TAed 1k+ Mercy Strokes on /nin. TA damage of that proportion /w TH4 is just great. Honestly Fafnir is a joke to my LS, as I'm sure it is for most Linkshells now. It's a 10-15 min fight, and most of the time we just TP burn it.

[Eternus]

What does BRD being the only job I have at 75 on my main account have anything to do with me forgetting if shark bite can link frag? It does light which is all that matters in most cases anyways. Its not like anyone wants a THF to do DE for a distortion chain lol. Well most LS just spam WSs and don't bother to SC anyway. The point is that THF isn't that hot outside of TH. The update on daggers did help along with the new merits though.

SAM is still a better spike damage job on HNM, especially with the update. THF is nice for hate control, but most really good tanks don't need a THF to TA WS on them and a SAM can do TA WS just as well. Depends on what kind of DD setup your LS has really.

I would like to see parser results or something proving that you can get more than 50% haste on melee attacks. Its not that I don't believe it as I notice SV marches with haste is like hundred fists on MNKs. Pretty easy with a BRD, Haste and haste equip to hit the 50% cap on casting time/recasts.

Of course Aurik agrees, I piss him off anyways and he is a relic upgrader. Joe/Maxx is just an annoying spammerfag who kisses mod ass since he got banned the first time. Your dreams of Apocalypse being the best weapon in the game are slowly being crushed. Heres a fucking hankerchief crybaby DRK.

[Rocl]

I only read your last post and don't like you.
I must be a hating relic upgrading faggot.
Let's go Excalibur!!

[Mashu]

Of course Aurik agrees, I piss him off anyways and he is a relic upgrader. Joe/Maxx is just an annoying spammerfag who kisses mod ass since he got banned the first time. Your dreams of Apocalypse being the best weapon in the game are slowly being crushed. Heres a fucking hankerchief crybaby DRK.

For all intents and purposes, you're functionally retarded.

We just proved that Kirschy can reach haste cap %, which I've reached -with- Soul Voice Marches, but she can reach without SV. And at capped melee haste, a Scythe swings at once every 2-2.5 seconds then. If you think a weapon with 103 damage swinging every 2 seconds is a waste of time, gtfo and quit the game please.

[NynJa]

Amenzhole = Amenzul, Lance's "sidekick"
Manvina = Maevina, Lance's e-gf, notorious for maleeing as whm/nin with a precious prudence torque...no she doesnt have blm lvled. Even went whm/nin to bahamut v2.

Technically that last part isn't an especially bad idea.

My shell goes WHM/NIN to bahamut 2 as well. It wins.

learn how to stay in casting range while being out of AOE range, and you can sub a real sub...

[Ayaz]

Of course Aurik agrees, I piss him off anyways and he is a relic upgrader. Joe/Maxx is just an annoying spammerfag who kisses mod ass since he got banned the first time. Your dreams of Apocalypse being the best weapon in the game are slowly being crushed. Heres a fucking hankerchief crybaby DRK.

For all intents and purposes, you're functionally retarded.

We just proved that Kirschy can reach haste cap %, which I've reached -with- Soul Voice Marches, but she can reach without SV. And at capped melee haste, a Scythe swings at once every 2-2.5 seconds then. If you think a weapon with 103 damage swinging every 2 seconds is a waste of time, gtfo and quit the game please.

QFT

[Eternus]

I only read your last post and don't like you.
I must be a hating relic upgrading faggot.
Let's go Excalibur!!

Nah you are joe/maxx's friend, good try though. I bet you just don't like to read someone making fun of him and his dreams of the 300 mil scythe of marginal upgrade.

If you got Excalibur I would just laugh at you like everyone else who upgrades. Somehow I doubt you are that dumb.

[Krandor]

Amenzhole = Amenzul, Lance's "sidekick"
Manvina = Maevina, Lance's e-gf, notorious for maleeing as whm/nin with a precious prudence torque...no she doesnt have blm lvled. Even went whm/nin to bahamut v2.

Technically that last part isn't an especially bad idea.

My shell goes WHM/NIN to bahamut 2 as well. It wins.

learn how to stay in casting range while being out of AOE range, and you can sub a real sub...

Templar Mace + Raise II Rod is from what I'm told amazingly helpful in Bahamut V.2 (personally never done it, our BLM numbers in sea is still kind of low, working on it though :/ ), and the loss of max MP isn't going to matter to any WHM who knows how to properly manage their MP.

And to jump on the bandwagon, Eternus is retarded.

[Kirschy]

I've never done over 1100 with Catastrophe even with berserk + minuets. (Not counting DA proc). Highest SA Catastrophe was like 1400 in Limbus, which was followed by a 2600 Spiral... so yea :/. I rarely ever Spiral with less than 300tp(200 with Martial)... My Guess is Catastrophe would have a slght advantage... I can test that on server up after HNMs. I've hit for 0s and low 100s on Catastrophe plenty of times... Usualli because I'm sushi and /nin; skillchaining or tanking and want the haste. I'm lucky in the sense I'm an all out DRK. I can spend all my merits in Scythe Skill, and wear a scythe earring without regret. Merits + Eq/Scythe let me spam my multihit on everything without a huge worry on misses.

[Lithiani]

Well most LS just spam WSs and don't bother to SC anyway. The point is that THF isn't that hot outside of TH. The update on daggers did help along with the new merits though.

SAM is still a better spike damage job on HNM, especially with the update. THF is nice for hate control, but most really good tanks don't need a THF to TA WS on them and a SAM can do TA WS just as well. Depends on what kind of DD setup your LS has really.

Firstly, if you're not fucking skillchaining then your LS is bunch of talentless chimps. A elementally appropriate renkei and magic burst is the most efficient and stylish kill method possible. Free damage is never to be turned down. Especially when it comes with free hate for the tanks as an added bonus.

Secondly - and I speak here as an officer in a LS whose melee DD population is heavily dominated by SAM and THF, you are stupid if you do not take advantage of THF mains inherent advantage for hate control. THF main outclass SAM/THF for hate control purposes, primarily because THF main is utterly reliable, while /THF TA is not.

And I've had the arguement with you before over hate control. There's no such thing as "too much hate" for a tank, and there's never any situation where a THFs ability to dispatch hate onto a secondary tank with complete reliability to even the hate balance between them and other tanks isn't desirable.

[Mashu]

Kirschy: How much AGI and INT are you wearing?

I'm thinking for a 1 hit ws like Catastrophe, the modifiers would play a bigger role than PDIF.

[Bagel]

And to jump on the bandwagon, Eternus is retarded.

I'm supposed to put something here so I'm not just quoting someone without inputting anything right?

[Krandor]

Well most LS just spam WSs and don't bother to SC anyway. The point is that THF isn't that hot outside of TH. The update on daggers did help along with the new merits though.

SAM is still a better spike damage job on HNM, especially with the update. THF is nice for hate control, but most really good tanks don't need a THF to TA WS on them and a SAM can do TA WS just as well. Depends on what kind of DD setup your LS has really.

Firstly, if you're not fucking skillchaining then your LS is bunch of talentless chimps. A elementally appropriate renkei and magic burst is the most efficient and stylish kill method possible. Free damage is never to be turned down. Especially when it comes with free hate for the tanks as an added bonus.

Secondly - and I speak here as an officer in a LS whose melee DD population is heavily dominated by SAM and THF, you are stupid if you do not take advantage of THF mains inherent advantage for hate control. THF main outclass SAM/THF for hate control purposes, primarily because THF main is utterly reliable, while /THF TA is not.

And I've had the arguement with you before over hate control. There's no such thing as "too much hate" for a tank, and there's never any situation where a THFs ability to dispatch hate onto a secondary tank with complete reliability to even the hate balance between them and other tanks isn't desirable.

The smoothness (is that actually a word?) of Fafhogg fights where we had a THF present to TA off tanks on a consistent basis was much greater then that of any fights where we did not.

And seriously, watching Wafik do Mercy Stroke in action, saying in any way shape or form that a non-MS WS from a THF can compare is just being stupid.

[Eternus]

We just proved that Kirschy can reach haste cap %, which I've reached -with- Soul Voice Marches, but she can reach without SV. And at capped melee haste, a Scythe swings at once every 2-2.5 seconds then. If you think a weapon with 103 damage swinging every 2 seconds is a waste of time, gtfo and quit the game please.

Proved with what? Text in on a messageboard. I said it is believable, just I would love to see haste 75% actually visible in game outside measuring casting time/recasts (since it has a different cap there). Where is your proof in a parser?

Nah I don't think its DoT is a waste of time, its the lack of a great spike damage WS that is a waste. This is DRK we are talking about, I want a MNK or WAR/NIN for pure DoT. See if a DRK can get 75% haste without SV marches, a MNK and WAR/NIN can get close enough to 75% haste to make DRK DoT not matter. You don't need to spam Catastrophe to do that on other jobs as they have plenty of haste equip available (10-12% haste?), plus Kirschy said Guillotine parses better for DoT anways.

[Kirschy]

It was a few months ago when I did the build.... I used equip like:

Abyss Gauntlets: INT+8
Snow Rings: INT+5 AGI+2
Demon's Helm+1: INT+6(?)
Leaping Boots: AGI+3 (yea :/)
Scythe Earring: INT+2

I used some other misc gear.... Also I used Abs-INT/AGI so thats about +18 for both.

[Lithiani]

Well most LS just spam WSs and don't bother to SC anyway. The point is that THF isn't that hot outside of TH. The update on daggers did help along with the new merits though.

SAM is still a better spike damage job on HNM, especially with the update. THF is nice for hate control, but most really good tanks don't need a THF to TA WS on them and a SAM can do TA WS just as well. Depends on what kind of DD setup your LS has really.

Firstly, if you're not fucking skillchaining then your LS is bunch of talentless chimps. A elementally appropriate renkei and magic burst is the most efficient and stylish kill method possible. Free damage is never to be turned down. Especially when it comes with free hate for the tanks as an added bonus.

Secondly - and I speak here as an officer in a LS whose melee DD population is heavily dominated by SAM and THF, you are stupid if you do not take advantage of THF mains inherent advantage for hate control. THF main outclass SAM/THF for hate control purposes, primarily because THF main is utterly reliable, while /THF TA is not.

And I've had the arguement with you before over hate control. There's no such thing as "too much hate" for a tank, and there's never any situation where a THFs ability to dispatch hate onto a secondary tank with complete reliability to even the hate balance between them and other tanks isn't desirable.

The smoothness (is that actually a word?) of Fafhogg fights where we had a THF present to TA off tanks on a consistent basis was much greater then that of any fights where we did not.

And seriously, watching Wafik do Mercy Stroke in action, saying in any way shape or form that a non-MS WS from a THF can compare is just being stupid.

According to dictionary.com smoothness is a word. Still doesn't feel quite right in a sentence though.

And I suspect the difference between your good selves and Eternus' group is that you have people who are capable of working with precision to maintain that kind of hate control balance, rather than mindlessly spam WS and hope for the best.

The "let's throw more X at it" method isn't not something I call a genuinely coherent strategy.

[Eternus]

Nope you never had a hate argument with me lol. There can never be too much hate I agree. Not every setup needs TA on tanks (SMN LS sure doesn't). We use SC to spike damage most HNMs. I said most LSs seem to not use SCs, not ours (we aren't most LSs). We also do TA WS on tanks.. yes we use thf and sam to do this lol. SAM just seems to do better damage overall. We do the whole rampage spam thing on KS99 Chvelnik only really.

Subjob THF TA works the same as main hate wise, just doesn't have the damage bonus calculation from AGI. We have never had problems with a SAM using TA on a tank as far as hate transfer goes.

Of course Krandor agrees with Aurik and Wafik, they are his Asuran pals.

[Sho]

And to jump on the bandwagon, Eternus is retarded.

I'm supposed to put something here so I'm not just quoting someone without inputting anything right?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Of course everyone disagrees with me, they're all Nazi bastards.

I'm beginning to think you actually think this.