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  1. #21
    Relic Horn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier
    Church of Chubs has all the money, Church of Yin has all the spiritual power. Sounds like the ultimate showdown...

    Or the republican party.
    Catholics vs Muslims.

    Go.

  2. #22
    Xavier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heian
    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier
    Church of Chubs has all the money, Church of Yin has all the spiritual power. Sounds like the ultimate showdown...

    Or the republican party.
    Catholics vs Muslims.

    Go.
    Oh thats a delightful comparison to start a debate. Well done.

  3. #23
    Relic Horn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier
    Quote Originally Posted by Heian
    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier
    Church of Chubs has all the money, Church of Yin has all the spiritual power. Sounds like the ultimate showdown...

    Or the republican party.
    Catholics vs Muslims.

    Go.
    Oh thats a delightful comparison to start a debate. Well done.
    Your sig just made me lol in rl

  4. #24
    Chram
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    Shield > Horn


    *Hides*

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    http://ffxi.killvoid.com/page.php?al=relic_upgrade

    Is that page wrong? It's what I've always gone by <_<

  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awoir
    http://ffxi.killvoid.com/page.php?al=relic_upgrade

    Is that page wrong? It's what I've always gone by <_<
    No, its right. The first 3 stages are all 3 types, last is Sandy.

  7. #27
    CoP Dynamis
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    who would win in a fight: God, or the 1984 Chicago Bears & Mike Ditka?

    i think the answer is obvious

  8. #28
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    ditka

  9. #29
    ExcaliMod
    Paper Towels? Who needs paper towels, Under the sink they go!

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    My support tank setup thats been together for months has 0 mp issues. The PLDs LOOK for people to cure. Thank god for a controller so I can scroll through alliance members fast to spam C2 on all of them. Auto-refresh, Ethereal Earring, Parade-Gorget and any form of refresh gives me more then enough mp to do w/e I want. Whiny KI/Alla PLDs keep making me more powerful, I honestly wouldn't know what to do with that horn in my tank crew.

    The shield looks just outstanding. You can really free up PT spots with it, if used correctly. The only issue I could see is the player you give it to. Give it to someone that has no life and will always be on to main tank everything.

  10. #30
    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    I honestly wouldn't know what to do with that horn in my tank crew.
    Allow the RDM who is refreshing, hasting and Phalanx IIing you to not have to worry so much about if he/she can convert before the next weaponskill...

  11. #31
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    Paper Towels? Who needs paper towels, Under the sink they go!

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    Ya my opnion is scewed as a tank but Im just going off on the assumption that if the galka w/ no mp merits always has 75%+ mp, everyone else should be doing ok >.>

  12. #32
    Xavier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    My support tank setup thats been together for months has 0 mp issues. The PLDs LOOK for people to cure. Thank god for a controller so I can scroll through alliance members fast to spam C2 on all of them. Auto-refresh, Ethereal Earring, Parade-Gorget and any form of refresh gives me more then enough mp to do w/e I want. Whiny everything.
    It seems like when things are going according to plan, you have far too much mp to actually use now with all the refresh already on the table.

    And when things are going poorly, its not because you didn't have enough mp to handle the situation, its because someone screwed up.

  13. #33
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    Paper Towels? Who needs paper towels, Under the sink they go!

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    or the tank is dieing >.>

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    The Once and Future Wamoura
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    Hulk Hogan vs. Robot Overlords

  15. #35
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  16. #36
    CoP Dynamis
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    "I am a real american, fight for the rights of every man! I am a real american, fight your rights, FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE!"

    WWF Hogan Theme Song ftw

  17. #37
    New Spam Forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonomaa
    SUPPORT THE SHIELD!

    [pictures]

    answer is clear in my book
    First time i ever LOL'd irl from this forum

  18. #38
    Sea Torques
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortaldonut
    who would win in a fight: God, or the 1984 Chicago Bears & Mike Ditka?

    i think the answer is obvious
    Trick question, Ditka is god.

  19. #39
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    I support the shield for a HNMLS more than the horn.

    The only song that the horn really effects is Ballad2, every other song already has +2 instruments (now some even +3 making the horn outdated on those songs). So essentially you're just buying a ballad horn which I'm sure every mage gets moist when he hears that he's only going to be singing ballad from now on.

    If that's what you want, /shrug, go for it, but if I was leading a HNMLS I'd go shield first. My dynamis LS might be upgrading a horn soon, depending on what happens in the next few weeks, for my LS I can totally agree with horn since we're extremely MP dependent.

    My Q to BG, pld/nin tank frequently? Are you running out of MP so much? Which relic do you see in which scenario giving you a huge benefit over the other? I can see Gjallarhorn being more useful in a smaller LS or LS that does things with small numbers (like 6 manning jailers or gods), than a larger LS that usually has all the jobs there and ready.

  20. #40
    Naver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordwafik
    I support the shield for a HNMLS more than the horn.

    The only song that the horn really effects is Ballad2, every other song already has +2 instruments (now some even +3 making the horn outdated on those songs). So essentially you're just buying a ballad horn which I'm sure every mage gets moist when he hears that he's only going to be singing ballad from now on.

    If that's what you want, /shrug, go for it, but if I was leading a HNMLS I'd go shield first. My dynamis LS might be upgrading a horn soon, depending on what happens in the next few weeks, for my LS I can totally agree with horn since we're extremely MP dependent.

    My Q to BG, pld/nin tank frequently? Are you running out of MP so much? Which relic do you see in which scenario giving you a huge benefit over the other? I can see Gjallarhorn being more useful in a smaller LS or LS that does things with small numbers (like 6 manning jailers or gods), than a larger LS that usually has all the jobs there and ready.
    If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the horn affect potency of your songs, not the duration? I'm pretty sure it's been found that ballad is +7mp a tick instead of +2 to duration.

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