Stage 5 Shield - Random Currency or Sandy?

[NynJa]

SE should have made rellic horn play another song! - how pimp would that be?

too bad the song would be as useful as some of the extra WS's..ie: Gate of Tartarus.

[Lordwafik]

Unless it was a TP regen song. Then go go gjallarhorn.

[Moggy]

SE should have made rellic horn play another song! - how pimp would that be?

too bad the song would be as useful as some of the extra WS's..ie: Gate of Tartarus.

Sure extra song that does Gate of Tartarus dmg, i think the WS is 60% chr X)

but anyway the +2 affects the meripo songs too X) if anyone uses those wehehehe, and u got those useless resist songs, which i like using in dynamis, especially bastok

[NynJa]

SE should have made rellic horn play another song! - how pimp would that be?

too bad the song would be as useful as some of the extra WS's..ie: Gate of Tartarus.

Sure extra song that does Gate of Tartarus dmg, i think the WS is 60% chr X)

but anyway the +2 affects the meripo songs too X) if anyone uses those wehehehe, and u got those useless resist songs, which i like using in dynamis, especially bastok

I was implying the fact that the song would be utterly useless.

[layoneil]

would still depend on the regen rate.

1 TP/tic isn't really worth giving up any other songs for.

[Kazen]

They should have just let the relic horn have +2 more songs as well, so 4 songs; however.. i feel bad for the brd who gets it lol

[Naver]

I support the shield for a HNMLS more than the horn.

The only song that the horn really effects is Ballad2, every other song already has +2 instruments (now some even +3 making the horn outdated on those songs). So essentially you're just buying a ballad horn which I'm sure every mage gets moist when he hears that he's only going to be singing ballad from now on.

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the horn affect potency of your songs, not the duration? I'm pretty sure it's been found that ballad is +7mp a tick instead of +2 to duration.

You're not mistaken, but you are bad at reading comprehension. LW is saying every song you sing there is already an appropriate +2 instrument for it EXCEPT for ballad.

Which isn't quite true...string is weaker than wind instrument for debuffs, particularly important being lullaby.

What I want to know is, does the relic horn give minuet more power like it does ballad? Every other +X instrument I own doesn't increase power, only duration.

For example, when I sing March with the +1 Flute, then sing Minuet right after, both songs come off at the same time. It doesn't increase the attack rate or lower recast timers more any.

If it's only duration for every other song except ballad, then wafik makes a great point. Shield > Horn

[Moggy]

String is not weaking than wind, if u have same string and wind skill and u test with nursemaid vs mary's u'll find that nursemaid harp is indeed stronger and lands more often

the only problem is elegy is likely more important than lullaby for a HNMLS brd therefore u would merit wind which causes an imbalance of wind to string skill

the barrier on skill seems around 250 singing + 250 wind (if u wanna test the barrier u can put string at 251 by dagger, torque, music earring, string earring, AF+1 body, AF2 feet) if u don't count merits, string is actually stronger than wind, given that u use the right gear u'll have more chr on with string+/sing+ than wind+/singing+

of course given most brds never walked out to test anything or have access to all the skill+ to test it, u'll still think mary's horn is the only way to go, and believe it or not, i also tested abolo staff to have no effect on lullaby but hey, everyone says it makes u land lullaby like a god, so go buy one and enjoy 1 less space X)

[aurik]

I support the shield for a HNMLS more than the horn.

The only song that the horn really effects is Ballad2, every other song already has +2 instruments (now some even +3 making the horn outdated on those songs). So essentially you're just buying a ballad horn which I'm sure every mage gets moist when he hears that he's only going to be singing ballad from now on.

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the horn affect potency of your songs, not the duration? I'm pretty sure it's been found that ballad is +7mp a tick instead of +2 to duration.

You're not mistaken, but you are bad at reading comprehension. LW is saying every song you sing there is already an appropriate +2 instrument for it EXCEPT for ballad.

Which isn't quite true...string is weaker than wind instrument for debuffs, particularly important being lullaby.

What I want to know is, does the relic horn give minuet more power like it does ballad? Every other +X instrument I own doesn't increase power, only duration.

For example, when I sing March with the +1 Flute, then sing Minuet right after, both songs come off at the same time. It doesn't increase the attack rate or lower recast timers any.

Uh, all +instruments affect song potency. Cornette +1 adds +5 Attack to Valor Minuet IV, for example. Mary's horn adds 3 seconds to sleep duration on Lullaby. I assume that the Faerie Piccolo adds some small amount of haste to March.

[aurik]

String is not weaking than wind, if u have same string and wind skill and u test with nursemaid vs mary's u'll find that nursemaid harp is indeed stronger and lands more often

the only problem is elegy is likely more important than lullaby for a HNMLS brd therefore u would merit wind which causes an imbalance of wind to string skill

the barrier on skill seems around 250 singing + 250 wind (if u wanna test the barrier u can put string at 251 by dagger, torque, music earring, string earring, AF+1 body, AF2 feet) if u don't count merits, string is actually stronger than wind, given that u use the right gear u'll have more chr on with string+/sing+ than wind+/singing+

of course given most brds never walked out to test anything or have access to all the skill+ to test it, u'll still think mary's horn is the only way to go, and believe it or not, i also tested abolo staff to have no effect on lullaby but hey, everyone says it makes u land lullaby like a god, so go buy one and enjoy 1 less space X)

Why are there so many retarded lv75 bards?

[Mifaco]

String is not weaking than wind, if u have same string and wind skill and u test with nursemaid vs mary's u'll find that nursemaid harp is indeed stronger and lands more often

the only problem is elegy is likely more important than lullaby for a HNMLS brd therefore u would merit wind which causes an imbalance of wind to string skill

the barrier on skill seems around 250 singing + 250 wind (if u wanna test the barrier u can put string at 251 by dagger, torque, music earring, string earring, AF+1 body, AF2 feet) if u don't count merits, string is actually stronger than wind, given that u use the right gear u'll have more chr on with string+/sing+ than wind+/singing+

of course given most brds never walked out to test anything or have access to all the skill+ to test it, u'll still think mary's horn is the only way to go, and believe it or not, i also tested abolo staff to have no effect on lullaby but hey, everyone says it makes u land lullaby like a god, so go buy one and enjoy 1 less space X)

Why are there so many retarded lv75 bards?

Keep in mind this is the same brd that advocated brd/drg.

Also keep in mind this is the same brd responsible for the "Moggy Massacre"' of '05.

[Naver]

I support the shield for a HNMLS more than the horn.

The only song that the horn really effects is Ballad2, every other song already has +2 instruments (now some even +3 making the horn outdated on those songs). So essentially you're just buying a ballad horn which I'm sure every mage gets moist when he hears that he's only going to be singing ballad from now on.

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the horn affect potency of your songs, not the duration? I'm pretty sure it's been found that ballad is +7mp a tick instead of +2 to duration.

You're not mistaken, but you are bad at reading comprehension. LW is saying every song you sing there is already an appropriate +2 instrument for it EXCEPT for ballad.

Which isn't quite true...string is weaker than wind instrument for debuffs, particularly important being lullaby.

What I want to know is, does the relic horn give minuet more power like it does ballad? Every other +X instrument I own doesn't increase power, only duration.

For example, when I sing March with the +1 Flute, then sing Minuet right after, both songs come off at the same time. It doesn't increase the attack rate or lower recast timers any.

Uh, all +instruments affect song potency. Cornette +1 adds +5 Attack to Valor Minuet IV, for example. Mary's horn adds 3 seconds to sleep duration on Lullaby. I assume that the Faerie Piccolo adds some small amount of haste to March.

Hmm I've always been told it was duration. In any case I bought a Cornette+1 to see the validity of what you were saying.

Naked BRD (With 4 Minuet Merits)
Naked = Attack 44
Valor4 = Attack 73 (No Cornette+1)
Valor4 = Attack 107 (Cornette+1)

So an extra 34 Attack with Cornette. Thanks for the information Aurik. But now this means you've just made my inventory alot tighter /cry. In any case, does anyone that has read this thread have a relic horn that can give me the stats of naked brd valor4 with and without horn?

Assuming it shoots ATK up higher than Cornette+1, then I would have to retract my statement of Shield > Horn. I could find many more uses in a LS oriented event for the horn.

Also, off topic. All this +1 instrument talk reminded me of the Mazurka+2 horn. After the patch that gave it flee type speed, since it was removed does it still increase your speed(of course not to flee type) or just duration? (Too lazy to verify for myself)

[phizit]

Though if you guys can get 4 brds on 100% of time go you guys. I would much rather have brd in each party then 2x brds in 1 under most solutions.

when those 2 BRDs are doing the most to keep you from losing i don't see why it'd be bad to put them in the same PT.

the melee and BLM PTs don't need more damage/mp at the expense of the tanks having less hate.

we don't really have an excess of BRDs but the priority is usually to have 2 in the tank PT before the others.

Solutional for wyrms your going to want brd + rdm for all parties and I wouldn't take a brd away from another party so tank pt has 2x brds in it. I mean when your using 12-18 on wyrms to kill adds and everything your going to need everyone getting good mp returned. What good is prefect tank pt if your blms can't get enough mp to kill adds + damage wyrm?

Though everyone kills wyrms differnt if I was going to go about fighting taimat / jorm. I would tank straight up on feet with whole allaince and would encourage blms to pull hate while in air. Some linkshell have all mages stay 20 distance and have melee build tp on adds or whatever then only go up to wyrms for skillchain and such.

In the 2nd option I can see why 2 brds might go priority to tank since those tanks need to hold hate 100% of time so a spike fail doesn't occur.

The only wyrm I would be sure to have 2 brds in tank pt would be ouryu if you tank straight up instead of es+sleep everytime it lands. Since earth based and slow is not a option.

[solsovly]

Uh, all +instruments affect song potency. Cornette +1 adds +5 Attack to Valor Minuet IV, for example. Mary's horn adds 3 seconds to sleep duration on Lullaby. I assume that the Faerie Piccolo adds some small amount of haste to March.

Picollo actually adds a pretty substantial amount of haste. I can't go on any other site from work to get the exact data. It was something like raw Victory March adding 7 or 8% of haste, the instrument adding in roughly 3% extra haste on top of that which is a huge gain.

To whoever asked, I have the Mazurka horn, I don't think its an increase to speed vs other instruments but this is a strictly "feels like" comment. Not that I could really feel a 2% or whatever amount of increase in speed anyways.

[layoneil]

Assuming it shoots ATK up higher than Cornette+1

it doesn't, both are +2.

After the patch that gave it flee type speed, since it was removed does it still increase your speed(of course not to flee type) or just duration? (Too lazy to verify for myself)

it's just duration.

---

the March songs is something like 7% & 9% without +2 instrument and 9% & 11% with.

---

What good is prefect tank pt if your blms can't get enough mp to kill adds + damage wyrm?

if the tank PT is self sufficient, the BLMs can always rest for enough MP to do damage with.

we deal with adds in other ways that's usually not related to MP.

also if you're using such a small group, there should be no problem leaving a spot open for a single BRD to jump between parties for Ballad.

[Lordwafik]

would still depend on the regen rate.

1 TP/tic isn't really worth giving up any other songs for.

If it was on Gjallarhorn, it'd automatically be +2 to TP regen (which a natural 1/tic makes it 3/tic), also if your LS is "melee TP on adds, WS on Main" then the bard can hop into the TP pt, sing march + TP regen and the melees will be more than ready.