5 levels, is WHM worth finishing?

[Swatt]

i ENM/XP Scroll'd SMN from 40 > 48 in Monarch Linn.

I stopped xping my ninja at about 57. It's now 25% of the way to 67. Hurray for capped enms.

and your katana and ninjitsu skill? >.>

Way behind lol. I skilled up ninjutsu in beseiged for a while by just wheel spamming. Its probably @64 or @65. Katana skill definitely needs a skillup pt or 5 before I actually go xp it. On the plus side, my throwing skill is nearly capped @50 from chucking shurikens at the bugard in monarch linn.

The same goes for my axe skill; I warped right after hitting 37 and since then have enm30'd my way up to 41, leaving my skill in the dust. That first party is going to be a doozy.

do it to 75...

then go lfg with dual axes and go sry Rampage X

edit: and break out the raging fists =F

[Rentwokay]

What the hell are you people doing that requires all that -Enmity?

I'd rather not be 1-shotted by Tiamat after an hour of fighting, tyvm.

That's all fine and dandy, except - as I said in my post - he wasn't talking about endgame. He was talking about EXP parties.

And to the guy who told me to "do the math," I seem to have fewer MP problems with Auto-Refresh than with Conserve MP. You can throw your numbers at me all you want, but you can't argue with something "feeling right." My playstyle better suits /SMN. Yours better suits /BLM. It's not like either is going to make or break my party invites.

Oh, and if you really feel it's worth mentioning that Conserve MP will save you a bundle if it procs on Raise III and Reraise III, you need to stop sucking so much to require those spells regularly. The slight chance of saving a bit of MP once an hour with a Reraise III recast is hardly a reason to sub /BLM.

[HAcoreRD]

I have nin at 37, and SMN at 75, so either will work as a sub for me. At 73 I'd get Zenith Crown and Pants, 75 I'd get Walahara Turban, I can get some blessed gear if I dont' mind spending a buck or 2.

[Maguspk]

What the hell are you people doing that requires all that -Enmity?

I'd rather not be 1-shotted by Tiamat after an hour of fighting, tyvm.

That's all fine and dandy, except - as I said in my post - he wasn't talking about endgame. He was talking about EXP parties.

And to the guy who told me to "do the math," I seem to have fewer MP problems with Auto-Refresh than with Conserve MP. You can throw your numbers at me all you want, but you can't argue with something "feeling right." My playstyle better suits /SMN. Yours better suits /BLM. It's not like either is going to make or break my party invites.

Oh, and if you really feel it's worth mentioning that Conserve MP will save you a bundle if it procs on Raise III and Reraise III, you need to stop sucking so much to require those spells regularly. The slight chance of saving a bit of MP once an hour with a Reraise III recast is hardly a reason to sub /BLM.

I think you just proved my point in that you obviously know nothing about game mechanics.

[Krandor]

What the hell are you people doing that requires all that -Enmity?

I'd rather not be 1-shotted by Tiamat after an hour of fighting, tyvm.

That's all fine and dandy, except - as I said in my post - he wasn't talking about endgame. He was talking about EXP parties.

And to the guy who told me to "do the math," I seem to have fewer MP problems with Auto-Refresh than with Conserve MP. You can throw your numbers at me all you want, but you can't argue with something "feeling right." My playstyle better suits /SMN. Yours better suits /BLM. It's not like either is going to make or break my party invites.

Oh, and if you really feel it's worth mentioning that Conserve MP will save you a bundle if it procs on Raise III and Reraise III, you need to stop sucking so much to require those spells regularly. The slight chance of saving a bit of MP once an hour with a Reraise III recast is hardly a reason to sub /BLM.

Because Obviously WHM never casts anything but R III or RR III!

[Rentwokay]

Because Obviously WHM never casts anything but R III or RR III!

That was my point.

[Koul]

I think 70-75 is an easy stretch for WHM... Since you can tag along with burn parties or even with the vast majority of people being 70+ now, EXP is fairly easy to come by.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

of all people to say this aang you did... or did it not take you a year to get to 75 from 70 >_>;;; Don'taxemeIloveyourdeliciousass n_n

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On-topic: RR3 alone is worth it to get whm to freakin 75... sucker some kids to do a KRT party and you're golden

[Eldelphia]

Get WHM to 75 if you're going to be doing more than raising the occasional shell member.

If you're not - just don't bother.

As for the endless /SMN and /BLM debate - use both depending on where you are and who you're with

In theory, for Dynamis /BLM ought to be better but I found it wasn't. I run around /BLM for conveniance most of the time and break out /SMN for specific events.

Whilst I spam cures in dyna having mp ticking back constantly is a far safer bet than relying on conserve MP. Especially if you're in a party with a BRD and running around constantly. Even with a good RDM I found I was doing better /SMN.

I usually wear the Walahra turban. I'm working on an Yigit turban for MND/-emn to replace my crappy Errant hat. My cleric's might get used for wyrms (MP and -EMN).

I like the walahra turban for the haste and the devotion possibilities. I used to want a z crown but now I'm in a position to get one, gear setups are so different it's not crucial. I'm no longer trying to cram in MND into as many slots as I can, templar mace/shield really helped that.

My standard hume gear carries -14 emn, +35 MND, +13% haste and just over 1k MP with 974 hp. You can then tweak that build to go more mnd, more emn or more mp but that suits me 80% of the time. And I haven't got all my coins for loquacious or done Apocalypse Nigh yet...

Sorry, gone off the rails... but really unless you intend to play WHM a lot, don't bother. If you do, then gear up decently.

[Norelco]

I get private invites for both my COR and PLD all the time while I'm already in parties. :D

[Nirokun!]

mifaco sucks LAWL

whm head:

nashira turban:
HNM flash (macro rewritten), aspir, debuffing

walahra turban:
general spellcasting (everything else will go here)

zenith crown:
max mp and that ever-underused latent macro (might someday write a macro for it~)

yigit turban:
resting, curing, stoneskin

i'd have raven beret, but i go smn to all those events~

/blm or fucking change your job outright

[layoneil]

i ENM/XP Scroll'd SMN from 40 > 48 in Monarch Linn.

I stopped xping my ninja at about 57. It's now 25% of the way to 67. Hurray for capped enms.

NIN from 37 > 50 on Promies.

[Septimus]

/blm or fucking change your job outright

It's funny, I'm actually looking forward to 75 WHM on Atum so Niro can yell at me to do my job right.

[Nirokun!]

sept eats maxmp food on whm ewww instead of cookies

/yell

[Septimus]

sept eats maxmp food on whm ewww instead of cookies

/yell

But he's a growing boy with a small MP pool! ;_;

[Mifaco]

There is no "situational" WHM headgear. Use Walahra or go to hell. Fucking zenith WHM/SMN MP whores need to be headshotted.

You're an idiot. Every job has "situational" gear, WHM included. In an XP party (pre-meripo) MP is important because, as WHM especially, you're XP/hr is based on how much MP your healer has and how quickly they can get it back. You can start a party with 1000 MP or 1400 MP - you'll squeeze out a few more chains with the extra 400 MP. I don't see how that isn't benefitting you.

Once the MP is gone, you switch it out. MP gear is therefore situational. The situation you use it in is the start of the fight. I've never had a problem getting the most MP I can at the start of the fight and then switching out practically every piece for either -EMN, haste, Cure Pot, -Cure Casting time or +MND gear as soon as the MP is burnt off. It's just best utilizing the gear you have. An extra 200MP gives you free shell and protect - then switch that +MP gear out for whatever you want (incl. Walahra in your case). You're still starting the battle with full MP and your Walahra piece on your head, but you got a "free" shell and protect out of it.

That's what I meant by situational gear. Anyone who just wears MP even when it's burnt off is an idiot plain and simple. +MP slot = empty slot when the MP is gone. Besides, what is so great about the Walahra turban in every single situation? Haste+5% and MP+30?

AF1+1:
Def:21 MP+28 MND+7 Enmity-1 hMP+1
MND ups cure potency, Enmity -1 for long battles and HMP+1 for healing.

Nashira Turban:
# Enmity -5
# Haste +2%

Mahatma Hat:
Emnity -6
MND +4

Situational pieces, all of them. Walahra is nice for cool down times (haste+5%), Nashira/Mahatma is nice for -Enmity ie long ass wyrm fights where -emnity helps, and AF1+1 is a nice all-round piece or when going for max MND to aid cure potency, and when healing for mana, of course.

I can wear my Walahra for every fight if I feel like it. Or, I can macro it in for long recasting enhancing spells eg. Haste or Regen and then switch in my Mahatma hat for curing. MND+4 and Emnity-6 is going to benefit my cures far more than Haste+5% and MP+30 (MP which has probably already been used). If I don't have fast enough cures with Cure Clogs, capped -casting time merits and some Blessed gear, something is wrong.

Again. Situational. Using a Walahra for every situation, especially where you're doing a lot of curing is just really, really dumb.

edit: clarification, spelling

Squeezing out a "few extra chains" in an exp party is more dependent on the competence of the PT members than on the WHM's MP. If MP Bounty Paper Towel MNK decides to pull hate, you can bet that 400 MP is wasted. I'm also not so anal on MP that I have five different sets of gear for every single conceivable situation.

Where is this "-enmity for wyrm fights" argument coming from? Most of my wyrm fights are spent curebombing the tanks with Cure V from an outside alliance, and I rarely pull hate. It doesn't matter if you have -40 enm or -4000, after multiple Roars, that wyrm's coming for the mages either way.

MND does shit for cure potency.
HMP+1 is insignificant.

Walahra Turban is awesome because it's ALL JOBS, it gives a good boost to important stats, and it's FREE

[Nirokun!]

1hmp is insignificant

everything is insignificant in this game

look at the price of HQ, the bonuses are insignificant to the cost disparity b/t NQ and HQ

just because you're a conscious gimp doesnt mean that the gear you dont have is worthless

[Septimus]

If MP Bounty Paper Towel MNK decides to pull hate, you can bet that 400 MP is wasted.

This made me laugh very hard.

[Ravenlokk]

Am i wrong to think that if i make a 10k+/hr pt with my 66 WHM they're not gimping me in? (i did the work to get the pt going, and assuming i dont let people die)

That's how i plan on getting 75

(i mean with Lv75s...)

[Ashira]

WHM/BLM ftw~

Max MP gear setups are usually to cast Reraise/Prot/Shell on my PT before we enter Dynamis so I still have full MP when we enter... if I use it on a green eye later, I immediately lose about 300 MP+ when I gear change for Cure/Cure V/Flash.

For EXP, I have gone WHM/RDM with a 4 melee + BRD pt to help with Dispels (Mamooks/Skoffins); for Enfeebles, all +Enfeebling and MND, you better believe it. More MND = more proc = happy NINs. For the most part though, /BLM Conserve MP is my trusted choice, even though I was not one who believed in the power of the Magnetic Earring and went for Ethereal instead (hey, I have NIN (NIN/DRK usage) too, and keep toying with the idea to level PLD... and who doesn't like getting back 10 MP or so while kiting on BLM! )

Mostly though, my standard "running around, not at full MP, just doing what I have to do" gear is a mix of MND, Haste, -Enmity, Refresh, and HP. Typically Blessed feet, hands, pants, Noble's, Geist, Loc Earring, Cleric's Belt, Promise Badge, Walahra Turban, Tamas, Sapphire Ring. I think. Sounds about right.

Running around to look cute? Full Zenith or full AF2. Doesn't mean it's practical.

I've toyed with the idea of the Medicine Ring proc, but I think I just change gear too much in general to really have that benefit me much. Suppose I could play with it. Just... would probably end up meaning carrying around more gear though. I don't have space.

[Delekii]

In a merit party, max mp on WHM is almost irrelevent - if you are using more than you are getting back, eventually you are going to run out of MP. An extra 200mp to start with just delays the point you run out at by an extra few mobs. Work on getting a better party, getting better mp recovery, or whatever else the problem is, because it isnt max MP. That said, I think ive probably used my WHM maybe twice ever for meriting, with the other jobs I have~

I usually use Yigit turban for most things I do as whm, because I find that as much as people baulk at -emnity, I am often able to through large cures and curagas early in the fight because I have the -emnity for it, without moving the mobs. Turban is useless to me apart from for flash timer, I wouldnt even consider using zenith on my WHM apart from to trigger latent - blessed and other head choices are just too good. Speaking of latent, for some reason I just dont think its worth sacrificing 25% of my hp to gain 10% on my cures as WHM - more often than not the cure is just enough to take the person to full HP, or full hp doesnt really matter in any event. For most times that 10% extra cure potency would be nice, I think id rather be wearing trooper's ring and be full on HP.