Student gets tased in UCLA library o.O

[BerenTebogo]

It's a bit difficult to really see all of what was happening in that video. However, from the shocked and outraged reactions of so many of the onlookers I doubt all fault was with the victim. I think it's pretty crap that the cops would refuse to give their identification to the students that asked and even threaten to taser people that were near the incident.

I think it should be illegal and/or a terminatable offense (within reason) to refuse to give identification/badge number as a uniformed P.O. on-duty.

Don't quote me but I'm pretty sure it IS required by law.

Like along the same lines as if you ask like a cop trying to sell you drugs if theyre a cop they cant lie and say no, it's entrapment.

I think if you ask to see a badge / ID # they have to show you it

[Gregorio]

Not too sure what to think here.

First of all, saying "take your hands off me" to the police is never a good idea. If they have their hands on you then it's probably their right to, and if it's not resisting arrest will just get you in to more trouble.

Next, I dunno if the initial taze was necessary or not or if the guy was truely on his way out. But while it seems like the cops did go a little taze-happy, the guy was still resisting. After the first taze and the cops were telling him to get up...he responded "fuck you". Yeah that's smart...if he were unable to get up he should have told them so instead of cursing at them.

I'd be more on the guys side if he didn't keep shouting about the Patriot Act like an idiot. Once he refused to leave the first time it was tresspassing, and someone should tell him that trespassing was illegal before the Patriot Act came out.

[*Shinzon*]

Under I believe NYC law, they have to provide badge number and pricent if you ask for it. Secondly an officer has no right to touch anyone unless they're placing you under arrest, in which that case you are read your Miranda rights. If they were simply escorting him out, then you grab the person, shove him out and be done with it. Use of force, any kind of force isnt allowed unless your under arrrest, and then resisting arrest. I'm studying law atm I'll try to find out more later.

[LAGUNA]

http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf/20 ... -15-06.pdf

[Sheeny]

I'm amazed that we don't have a chronic shortage of police officers. Because we're obviously a bunch of selfish bastards if we don't want the law upheld and shit all over the people our society wants in place. "Fucking cop gave me a ticket for speeding, can't he find anything better to do." "Fucking cop tazed me because I wasn't supposed to be someplace and I refused to listen to them when they tried to make me leave."
Yeah, cops are to blame that we don't like getting caught violating the laws. Police my neighbors, just don't police me. If cops were as nice as people demand of them, there'd be no law anymore. It's not a "Customer is always right", it's "The police are always right." (I'd like to say as people become adults they mature into understanding this, but alas, half of todays adults are just a selfish as any teenager.)

While policemen abusing their power is an awful thing, I honestly don't see it here. Kid wasn't supposed to be there, continually resists the police officers when they arrive, and we're blaming the cops instead? I got fifty bucks that says the kid WANTED to keep getting tazed and look the victim. "Here's your abuse of power!" He was making a scene just like a 7 year old screaming bloody murder. If no one else were around, or the bystanders were yelling for the cops to get that asshole outta here already, our 'victim' would've been 99% less likely to make a scene.

Obeying the police isn't optional. Well technically you don't HAVE to obey them, but you get rewarded with a tazer until you do - as seen in this video. I see absolutely no problem with this. I hope he has good parents who whoop the living shit out of him after seeing this. I'd be dragging that kid down to the police station to personally apologize for his behavior, just like taking your 7-year old back to a store to return candy you found he'd stolen. Inexcusable behavior.
Sadly, the aftermath will probably be these police officers being reprimanded or fired because it's in the media and tons of kids crying. Now I ask you to think what this kid's behavior is going to be like the rest of his life. If he get aways with the last frontier, "Don't you fucking touch me" to police officers, I'm sure he'll be an even more wonderful member of society as life goes on. "Rules? Only cops have to follow rules."

[Zalius]

im not sure if youve ever been fucking tazed before, but i have with my friends. alright, after the first fucking taze, and after he said he had a medical condition, they payed that no attention. Afterwards, they tried to force him up, never asking what his condition was (if he had any) etc, but for fucks sake, the 2nd time they tazed him they left it on for a LONG time (1:45 -> 1:51)

Fuck that, it doesnt take 4 cops dragging someone out when he said he would leave and has a medical condition

[dekamii]

If you go to the main page of UCLA Police Department
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/
You'll see that there has been a couple of incidents that invovled in stabbing and stealing cars etc. I wouldn't blame the police for suspecting the dude to have weapons specially when they are looking for suspects. It was pretty dumb of him not to comply to the officers.

UCLA don't seems that safe eh
and ironically they are hiring police officers

[Vinen]

Jackass got what he deserved

[Solefald]

He was allowed to be there, he's a UCLA student, but for some reason couldn't produce or refused to show his student ID when the cops asked. Judging by his name, he's of Iranian descent, and given the remark about the Patriot Act, maybe he thought that the officers were targeting him because he's Middle Eastern.

The video was pretty disturbing. There's no reason for cops to use a taser in a library.

[archibaldcrane]

It's a weapon. If they felt like they needed to use a weapon...for some reason here...then there could be some justification.

...did they seriously feel like they were in danger here? There was, what, 4 cops? I can't tell from that (very nice-looking for a cell phone, but shittily-framed) video, but was the guy in handcuffs already?

After the first tase especially, they had the guy in hand. The next tasing seemed to be to just shut him up/punish him for being belligerent. Not the worst thing that's ever happened, but yeah, not particularly smart especially in a room full of college students paying lots of attention.

Hearing the voices of the whiny people asking for the badge # (which is totally legitimate) with such righteous indignation was funny to me.

As far as giving a badge #, I think of course they should/do have to, but at what point should it be required? When you're still struggling to arrest/control a suspect, should you shout it out immediately when asked?

...kinda ridiculous. At least let them get the guy in a squad car or out of the building first.

[Solefald]

Hearing the voices of the whiny people asking for the badge # (which is totally legitimate) with such righteous indignation was funny to me.

Haha yeah, you kinda get the sense that the onlookers are all outraged, they're just not articulate enough to express it in terms other than "let him get up!this is an ABUSE of power!"

[Eaglestrike]

I can understand 1 tazing, just for being an annoying fuck. But 4? That's going a bit overboard. However, the place where the cops are 100% wrong is refusing to identify themselves and then threatening other students who did nothing. I'm sort of on both sides here where I want fairness but I also want police to be hard on people so there is a set law and people know not to fuck with it.

I was watching some random videos on youtube the other night and one is a guy filming his buddy who walks up to a cop, flips him a couple birds and tells him to fuck off. The police guy responds with taking out his baton and hitting the guy multiple times. I was 100% on the policemans side there, lol. And I think this kid is similar to that one, so he did deserve something. Like was said above, it's at a college and if they're dealing with stuff like stabbing they're going to be on edge and want to make sure people don't fuck around because they'd rather deal with the more important crimes first, thus they'd be a bit hard on people.

[Gregorio]

im not sure if youve ever been fucking tazed before, but i have with my friends. alright, after the first fucking taze, and after he said he had a medical condition, they payed that no attention. Afterwards, they tried to force him up, never asking what his condition was (if he had any) etc, but for fucks sake, the 2nd time they tazed him they left it on for a LONG time (1:45 -> 1:51)

Fuck that, it doesnt take 4 cops dragging someone out when he said he would leave and has a medical condition

I didn't hear him say he had a medical condition in the video...but I may have missed it. And should the police always just stop doing their job because someone claims to have a medical condition? And while he said he was going to leave, it looked like he made no attempt to get up or even explain why he wasn't getting up. Again, "I'll get up in a moment I can't move cause you just tazed my ass" goes a lot further than "fuck you!"

Yeah, tazing is bad, but what would you rather have had the police do? Just plain old beat him up? Continue to ask him nicely to leave and if he refuses just write him a lil fine? No, they're the police and if you don't obey them you are compelled to do so by force, and it's legal.

He was allowed to be there, he's a UCLA student, but for some reason couldn't produce or refused to show his student ID when the cops asked. Judging by his name, he's of Iranian descent, and given the remark about the Patriot Act, maybe he thought that the officers were targeting him because he's Middle Eastern.

The video was pretty disturbing. There's no reason for cops to use a taser in a library.

While he did have the right to be there, he violated the rules of the library (by not having his ID), and was asked to leave. When he was asked to leave and did not do so, it becomes tresspassing. And he had to have known the officers were targeting him because he was there illegally and was already asked to leave, not because he's Middle Eastern. He was shouting about the Patriot Act because he's an idiot and wanted to make a scene.

Lastly, the cops didn't have the benefit of knowing he was a definitely a student who had misplaced his ID. And regardless of the setting, they have reason to use a taser if someone is resisting arrest or refusing to cooperate.

[Lawls]

I hope his medical condition was AIDS.

[Anyway]

im not sure if youve ever been fucking tazed before, but i have with my friends. alright, after the first fucking taze, and after he said he had a medical condition, they payed that no attention. Afterwards, they tried to force him up, never asking what his condition was (if he had any) etc, but for fucks sake, the 2nd time they tazed him they left it on for a LONG time (1:45 -> 1:51)

Fuck that, it doesnt take 4 cops dragging someone out when he said he would leave and has a medical condition

I didn't hear him say he had a medical condition in the video...but I may have missed it. And should the police always just stop doing their job because someone claims to have a medical condition? And while he said he was going to leave, it looked like he made no attempt to get up or even explain why he wasn't getting up. Again, "I'll get up in a moment I can't move cause you just tazed my ass" goes a lot further than "fuck you!"

Yeah, tazing is bad, but what would you rather have had the police do? Just plain old beat him up? Continue to ask him nicely to leave and if he refuses just write him a lil fine? No, they're the police and if you don't obey them you are compelled to do so by force, and it's legal.

He was allowed to be there, he's a UCLA student, but for some reason couldn't produce or refused to show his student ID when the cops asked. Judging by his name, he's of Iranian descent, and given the remark about the Patriot Act, maybe he thought that the officers were targeting him because he's Middle Eastern.

The video was pretty disturbing. There's no reason for cops to use a taser in a library.

While he did have the right to be there, he violated the rules of the library (by not having his ID), and was asked to leave. When he was asked to leave and did not do so, it becomes tresspassing. And he had to have known the officers were targeting him because he was there illegally and was already asked to leave, not because he's Middle Eastern. He was shouting about the Patriot Act because he's an idiot and wanted to make a scene.

Lastly, the cops didn't have the benefit of knowing he was a definitely a student who had misplaced his ID. And regardless of the setting, they have reason to use a taser if someone is resisting arrest or refusing to cooperate.

Read before you type. He was leaving. They stopped him at the doors and apparently put their hands on him to escort him out. They could have easily just walked behind him.

[Kiro]

I hope his medical condition was AIDS.

lol.. wtf.

[aurik]

As far as giving a badge #, I think of course they should/do have to, but at what point should it be required? When you're still struggling to arrest/control a suspect, should you shout it out immediately when asked?

...kinda ridiculous. At least let them get the guy in a squad car or out of the building first.

This is the whole "within reason". If someone asks you for your badge number during duty, you give it to them when you have a chance.

[alt]

I'm amazed that we don't have a chronic shortage of police officers. Because we're obviously a bunch of selfish bastards if we don't want the law upheld and shit all over the people our society wants in place. "Fucking cop gave me a ticket for speeding, can't he find anything better to do." "Fucking cop tazed me because I wasn't supposed to be someplace and I refused to listen to them when they tried to make me leave."
Yeah, cops are to blame that we don't like getting caught violating the laws. Police my neighbors, just don't police me. If cops were as nice as people demand of them, there'd be no law anymore. It's not a "Customer is always right", it's "The police are always right." (I'd like to say as people become adults they mature into understanding this, but alas, half of todays adults are just a selfish as any teenager.)

While policemen abusing their power is an awful thing, I honestly don't see it here. Kid wasn't supposed to be there, continually resists the police officers when they arrive, and we're blaming the cops instead? I got fifty bucks that says the kid WANTED to keep getting tazed and look the victim. "Here's your abuse of power!" He was making a scene just like a 7 year old screaming bloody murder. If no one else were around, or the bystanders were yelling for the cops to get that asshole outta here already, our 'victim' would've been 99% less likely to make a scene.

Obeying the police isn't optional. Well technically you don't HAVE to obey them, but you get rewarded with a tazer until you do - as seen in this video. I see absolutely no problem with this. I hope he has good parents who whoop the living shit out of him after seeing this. I'd be dragging that kid down to the police station to personally apologize for his behavior, just like taking your 7-year old back to a store to return candy you found he'd stolen. Inexcusable behavior.
Sadly, the aftermath will probably be these police officers being reprimanded or fired because it's in the media and tons of kids crying. Now I ask you to think what this kid's behavior is going to be like the rest of his life. If he get aways with the last frontier, "Don't you fucking touch me" to police officers, I'm sure he'll be an even more wonderful member of society as life goes on. "Rules? Only cops have to follow rules."

Whether or not I agree with your opinion about this specific case...you are wrong on a lot of issues in this post.

The police are not "always right." There are many many cases in fact where the police are dead wrong. The number of regulations and laws dictating the escalation of force are many and very strict. While I will not presume to pass any judgement in this situation, there are a significant amount of trial cases that are simply dismissed because the arresting police officer failed to follow regulation or procedure. Police officers are just like any normal person, they can make mistakes.

[Eaglestrike]

As far as giving a badge #, I think of course they should/do have to, but at what point should it be required? When you're still struggling to arrest/control a suspect, should you shout it out immediately when asked?

...kinda ridiculous. At least let them get the guy in a squad car or out of the building first.

This is the whole "within reason". If someone asks you for your badge number during duty, you give it to them when you have a chance.

And if you can take some time to walk away from the suspect and threaten the people asking for the badge #, you have that chance.

[Anyway]

http://img.4chan.org/b/res/15841334.html

http://img.4chan.org/b/res/15842153.html

If you're awake, 4chan is having fun with this lol.

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