Damage confusion with BLM gear, help me out

[aurik]

For all those BLMs who chose magnetic, you should just wear a loq. earring. You get the 30mp you would save w/ conserve mp, AND you get fast cast! /cheer

Conserve MP is more powerful than +mp (and besides, magnetic has +20mp as it is) because conserved MP don't have to be regenerated.

The 1.5% fast cast on loq. earring is fairly placebo. Plus, it is calculated when your casting STARTS, which means you can get the main benefit of both loq and mag earrings on the same spell.

[NynJa]

I keep seeing this argument that extra dmg is stupid when you would just be overnuking, but thats not really true. A lot of times extra dmg in the tier 4's allows me to finish off a mob with a tier3 instead of another tier4. There is no reason every spell you cast has to be tier4.

Tier3 + Drain > Tier4


Drain is the best fucking spell ever.

[aurik]

BLMs should be draining almost every chance they get, for no other reason than it's the best dmg/mp ratio spell in their arsenal...

I keep seeing this argument that extra dmg is stupid when you would just be overnuking, but thats not really true. A lot of times extra dmg in the tier 4's allows me to finish off a mob with a tier3 instead of another tier4. There is no reason every spell you cast has to be tier4.

Only a whole lot of extra damage will change your outlook from t4x4 to t4x3 + t3. We're talking a measely 2 int here.

[Razzley]

ol. First of all I have a sorc ring build so the +10 MAB is always active and secondly yes....we are both taru which has been stated twice in previous post.

Sorcerer's Ring s u c k s. Wow great job having less than 50% hp always, great idea. Get some INT on there and do more damage. What a sketchy Ring, get I N T

lol?
Are you serious?

And if you want to tell us that 18 INT (Errant Houppelande+Errant slops) is better than 20MAB (Sorcerer's ring+Weskit+Yigit boots) on puddings or whatever mobs...LAWL @ u. That's the biggest bullshit i've ever heard.
Why don't you just nuke with full errant gear? Wouldn't that be much better damage wise?w

You need a little bit of everything, stacking Magic Attk Bonus isnt a good idea. Especially with such a crappy and sketchy Ring. Have half hp all the time, great idea. Get I N T

[aurik]

ol. First of all I have a sorc ring build so the +10 MAB is always active and secondly yes....we are both taru which has been stated twice in previous post.

Sorcerer's Ring s u c k s. Wow great job having less than 50% hp always, great idea. Get some INT on there and do more damage. What a sketchy Ring, get I N T


[quote:35820]lol?
Are you serious?

And if you want to tell us that 18 INT (Errant Houppelande+Errant slops) is better than 20MAB (Sorcerer's ring+Weskit+Yigit boots) on puddings or whatever mobs...LAWL @ u. That's the biggest bullshit i've ever heard.
Why don't you just nuke with full errant gear? Wouldn't that be much better damage wise?w

You need a little bit of everything, stacking Magic Attk Bonus isnt a good idea. Especially with such a crappy and sketchy Ring. Have half hp all the time, great idea. Get I N T[/quote:35820]

It's 75% hp and it calculates that before hp->mp conversion items (hi zenith), so realistically you can trigger it with more than 75% hp.

[shinobi_tabi]

Eternus was banned lol

Wasn't referring to him

if you refering to me, probably not, but i would level up another job if i my ls needed it, but i dont have one and they don't need me with only 75 thf
i wish one job class was enough in this game but i guess it's not when your ls is hardcore yet doesn't have certain jobs on....
but yea i like the idea of playing your fav job and being able to use it on everything

but everyone else seems to want to throw 15 blm,smn,war,mnk, or whatever at somthing ;/


anyway

i hate it when that other blm does 20 more damage then me. my e-peen shrinks and what not. so jealous ; ;
BUT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE STRONGEREST !!!

[kawkawkaw]

ol. First of all I have a sorc ring build so the +10 MAB is always active and secondly yes....we are both taru which has been stated twice in previous post.

Sorcerer's Ring s u c k s. Wow great job having less than 50% hp always, great idea. Get some INT on there and do more damage. What a sketchy Ring, get I N T


[quote:1befc]lol?
Are you serious?

And if you want to tell us that 18 INT (Errant Houppelande+Errant slops) is better than 20MAB (Sorcerer's ring+Weskit+Yigit boots) on puddings or whatever mobs...LAWL @ u. That's the biggest bullshit i've ever heard.
Why don't you just nuke with full errant gear? Wouldn't that be much better damage wise?w

You need a little bit of everything, stacking Magic Attk Bonus isnt a good idea. Especially with such a crappy and sketchy Ring. Have half hp all the time, great idea. Get I N T[/quote:1befc]

you need to die asap

[Lordwafik]

For all those BLMs who chose magnetic, you should just wear a loq. earring. You get the 30mp you would save w/ conserve mp, AND you get fast cast! /cheer

Why? Give me a reason why I should pick anything over Magnetic Earring, I have not picked one and I'd love to hear your argument.

[Suiram]

Razzley somehow wins the "most clueless poster" award in a thread that has Kerberoz in it.

Say a 75BLM has 110 INT and MAB+28 (Made up the INT cause it seems reasonable, the MAB is from weskit, zenith mitts, moldavite, yigit feet, and 5 merits, which is pretty standard), with no second ring. For a tier 4 nuke on a neutral day, each INT you add gives you between 3-4 damage (4-5 on pudding), whereas sorcerer's ring gives you a 6.3% boost in overall damage. So, for example, say your Thunder 4 did 1335 damage to a pudding with no second ring. With a snow ring you get 1357, with sorcerer's ring it's 1418. Not to mention that it's 75% not 50% and easy to force like aurik said. Even before I had gear to force it, when soloing I'd just have the first mob in the chain hit me a few times after the first nuke to drop into latent.

[Rocl]

Eternus was banned lol

Wasn't referring to him

if you refering to me,

Noooooope this makes me feel smart though 8)

[Correction]

I swear to god my brain is involuntarily replacing words like 'INT' and 'Weskit' and 'zenith' with 'acc' and 'shura' and 'ridill' as I read this discussion.

TOXIC FOR THE SOUL! LOCK AND RENAME 'Meat vs. Sushi / War vs. Mnk vs. Nin / CoP vs ToAU / DRK' to 'Endless build/gear pissing contests here.'

[Seditedi]

ol. First of all I have a sorc ring build so the +10 MAB is always active and secondly yes....we are both taru which has been stated twice in previous post.

Sorcerer's Ring s u c k s. Wow great job having less than 50% hp always, great idea. Get some INT on there and do more damage. What a sketchy Ring, get I N T


[quote:76bcd]lol?
Are you serious?

And if you want to tell us that 18 INT (Errant Houppelande+Errant slops) is better than 20MAB (Sorcerer's ring+Weskit+Yigit boots) on puddings or whatever mobs...LAWL @ u. That's the biggest bullshit i've ever heard.
Why don't you just nuke with full errant gear? Wouldn't that be much better damage wise?w

You need a little bit of everything, stacking Magic Attk Bonus isnt a good idea. Especially with such a crappy and sketchy Ring. Have half hp all the time, great idea. Get I N T[/quote:76bcd]

You're a moron.

[Seditedi]

For all those BLMs who chose magnetic, you should just wear a loq. earring. You get the 30mp you would save w/ conserve mp, AND you get fast cast! /cheer

Why? Give me a reason why I should pick anything over Magnetic Earring, I have not picked one and I'd love to hear your argument.

In your case I'd probably go Magnetic since you have RDM75 and use it often..... Static is for the career BLM, and anyone that argues that a career BLM shouldn't have static is pretty stupid.. lol. Static is a situational earring, but for the situations when you use it, it is better than anything else for an earring slot. 5% Bonus MB damage is by far worth it.

[aurik]

For all those BLMs who chose magnetic, you should just wear a loq. earring. You get the 30mp you would save w/ conserve mp, AND you get fast cast! /cheer

Why? Give me a reason why I should pick anything over Magnetic Earring, I have not picked one and I'd love to hear your argument.

In your case I'd probably go Magnetic since you have RDM75 and use it often..... Static is for the career BLM, and anyone that argues that a career BLM shouldn't have static is pretty stupid.. lol. Static is a situational earring, but for the situations when you use it, it is better damage than anything else for an earring slot. 5% Bonus MB damage is by far worth it.

Fixed. Again, damage is not everything, especially in situations where magic burst mechanics are in play.

[Lordwafik]

Yah I never MB anymore, screw my RDM, I have plenty of MP there, but there's absolutely no reason for my BLM to pick static over magnetic. Can't remember the last time I swapped my af2 hands in for anything aside from drain/aspir, so I doubt static would benefit me whatsoever. Magnetic is my choice for my blm.

I usually go for Utility > Damage. Sure I'm not gonna get 10,000 on my nuke, but i'm not gonna perform a shitty nuke either. I still have essential stuff like hq staves, weskit, etc etc

[Toth]

Static is for the career BLM, and anyone that argues that a career BLM shouldn't have static is pretty stupid

Anyone that likes to question the judgment of career BLMs who chose the magnetic earring based on personal preferences, other jobs, or other factors is pretty stupid as well >.> Career BLMs also do not need to flaunt their max damage around to prove they are the best BLMs.

[Nikko]

Why? Give me a reason why I should pick anything over Magnetic Earring, I have not picked one and I'd love to hear your argument.

I have not picked an earring from that BC yet either.

As far as what earring you should pick, I can only say that I personally don't like magnetic. In every slot you can choose +mp, +dmg (or +skill), or a mixture of both, depending on which offers the most. For example I use Hume RSE rope (mixture) rather than penitents (+dmg) or hierarchs (+mp). Some people would argue that you should use hierarchs for first nuke, and penitents when you use that MP, but i dont think the utility from that combination is worth losing the inventory spot.

In my opinion, magnetic earring is equivalent to a +mp earring. As Aurik pointed out, conserve mp is better than straight +mp in that you wouldn't have to rest the last tick, but on the other hand +mp has the advantage that it can be used up and then swaped for +dmg gear while guarenteeing the extra mp. Either way i still think magnetic earring = +mp earring.

For my BLM, I don't choose +mp for any slot. Some slots I choose mixture of +mp and +dmg (for example AF1+1 hat instead of demon, Jet Seraweels instead of Mahatma, and RSE rope instead of penitents), but no there are no slots where I choose to use an MP only item.

Edit: Forgot to say, if you really want an MP item for that slot, I would probably rather use the loq. than magnetic, trading 10-20mp for a placebo fast cast effect. Sure, you could just swap loq. in and out at the begining of each cast for the fast cast, but I'm really not interested in that much micro / -inventory.

[Koyangi]

Sedi still hasnt mentioned anything to counter my point about what a blm will always be doing and what he will hardly be doing. magnetic works for everything a blm will do, when you solo or manaburn, static is useless. If you kill a mob in the same number of nukes without 2INT in an ear slot, magnetic will help you rest less and chain higher while soloing.

edit: and yeah I've used my af2 gloves a whopping 1 time on a MB, all other times were drain/aspir, static would seriously be inv -1 to me.

[aurik]

but on the other hand +mp has the advantage that it can be used up and then swaped for +dmg gear while guarenteeing the extra mp.

You can do this with +mp earring with magnetic if you so wish. Thus it's not a unique advantage, as it is entirely orthogonal.

[Suiram]

It's one thing when it's static earring and you aren't sure if you would prefer it over Magnetic or Etherial and haven't picked an earring or picked a different one or whatever. But if you have AF2 hands, and you bring them with you all the time for drain/aspir but don't macro them in for MB, that's laziness, and doesn't change the real benefits of MB bonus gear. It's like saying "Yeah, I have Aquilo's Staff, but I only macro it in for Bind and Frost, why would I want to buy a Jupiter's staff?"