Damage confusion with BLM gear, help me out

[Koyangi]

Not new thread worthy, but it definately fits topic title, manaburning on Puddings a few days ago and had this happen (more than once).

Yigit Gages:
http://i13.tinypic.com/3347ubl.jpg

Zenith Mitts:
http://i12.tinypic.com/42ljg44.jpg

Yes was using Sorc ring, no obi though.
So Yigit Gages outperformed Zenith Mitts by 1 dmg, but this was also some pretty high dmg for an unmagicbursted thunder 4, I wonder how much mab caps at(if it does), which made the INT bonus on Gages produce this better result.

[Suiram]

MAB doesn't cap, but adding MAB gets less and less useful the more you have. INT on the other hand never gets less useful (in practice with tier 4, ga3 and AM/AM2 at least), and gets more useful the more MAB you add. It's all just math, not a big mystery anymore.

[Lordender]

Exactly what I meant, laughable. Who the fuck would xp in a conventional setup on blm. The only thing magnetic will ever do something on blm is for that epeen 2500dmg mb on fafnir, and that itself isnt really useful.

Blm just dont mb anymore, or not as much. If you consider the fact you have to manually swap it (which is something you will forget sometime, miss), the dmg increase mean nothing

every HNM my linkshell fights we SC+MB so i picked static ;x I don't and will never regret my choice.

[Kaylia]

Don't want to resurect the debate that lasted 20 pages, and I posted multiples times why in details after, but to make it short, there is really not that many NM that are killed with MB.

Maybe you could make a list of the NM you kill with blm, but for us, it's really not that big.

[Suiram]

Really, can we please not start this debate again? Every hour this thread stays bumped exponentially increases the chances that some new BLM with underlevelled subjobs in a LS that fleehacks Vrtra will make a forum account just to post some broad, unfounded statement of the form, "If a BLM ____ then he sucks."

[inafume]

Don't want to resurect the debate that lasted 20 pages, and I posted multiples times why in details after, but to make it short, there is really not that many NM that are killed with MB by my linkshell.

Maybe you could make a list of the NM you kill with blm, but for us, it's really not that big.

Phrase and emphasis of it added. Not every shell fights like yours.

[Kaylia]

Maybe you could make a list of the NM you kill with blm, but for us, it's really not that big.

Phrase and emphasis of it added. Not every shell fights like yours.

Nowai! I know that much, that's why i mentioned it.


Anyway, list me every fight in this game you fight efficiently with magic burst. They are still rare.

[nivlakian]

Can someone just lock this thread before it's too late?!

[Suiram]

I'm in agreement with Nivlakian, but I can't help myself from mentioning that we use SC+MB on Seiryu, Suzaku, Byakko, Genbu, Jailer of Hope, Jailer of Justice, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Aspidochelode, Jormungund and Ouryu, to name a few, but that of course every LS has their own way of doing things and their own strategies they default to.

[Kaylia]

Not new thread worthy, but it definately fits topic title, manaburning on Puddings a few days ago and had this happen (more than once).

Yigit Gages:
http://i13.tinypic.com/3347ubl.jpg

Zenith Mitts:
http://i12.tinypic.com/42ljg44.jpg

Yes was using Sorc ring, no obi though.
So Yigit Gages outperformed Zenith Mitts by 1 dmg, but this was also some pretty high dmg for an unmagicbursted thunder 4, I wonder how much mab caps at(if it does), which made the INT bonus on Gages produce this better result.

Anyway, back on topic. I wouldnt have thought those hand would have outdamaged zenith. For the people without windurst bracelet, it could make a good alternative for debuffing, nuking, and certain HNM (better acc, no -50hp). I think your post convinced me to get them. Kinda look better than zenith in overall, as long mp doesnt matter.

I'm in agreement with Nivlakian, but I can't help myself from mentioning that we use SC+MB on Seiryu, Suzaku, Byakko, Genbu, Jailer of Hope, Jailer of Justice, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Aspidochelode, Jormungund and Ouryu, to name a few, but that of course every LS has their own way of doing things and their own strategies they default to.

I'm sure sky god wouldnt die in 5min no matter what strats you use Same thing could be said for 3/4 of those NM where it's probably less trouble to just zerg the hell out of them. Wyrm and lolAspi are the only one where you need to be more organized, but I already mentioned that 15pages ago

[Suiram]

So your argument is that BLMs in a LS that zerg the hell out of everything don't benefit as much from Static Earring as BLMs in a LS that will setup SCs for them? We're in agreement there.

[Kaylia]

So your argument is that BLMs in a LS that zerg the hell out of everything don't benefit as much from Static Earring as BLMs in a LS that will setup SCs for them? We're in agreement there.

I'm saying skillchain don't really bring anything to most of the fight you mentioned. You could have your blm chain nuke for the same result in the same amount of time.


Anyway, I already said that many pages ago, and explained why I believe so. Let's just drop it, or go read my argument I had earlier in this thread. Dont feel like doing this again

[Suiram]

I read what you wrote earlier in the thread when you wrote it. I've never been on one side or the other of "BLMs with Static suck" "BLMs with Magnetic suck" because I understand that different LSs have different ways of doing things, and some BLMs just aren't going to benefit from Static to the extent that some others are. But that doesn't mean that setting up SCs isn't just as good or better of a strategy for many HNMs as is zerging them without one, like I said, it's your LS's preference and default.

[NynJa]

Fafnir
Nidhogg
Aspidochelone
sky gods - kirin
Jailer of Justice
Proto Ultima


we used to do ouryu w/ SC+MB, but the very common absolute terror after the closing gekko made it more efficient to replace the 3 sam's w/ 3 blm's.
That's all I can think of really.

[Kaylia]

I read what you wrote earlier in the thread when you wrote it. I've never been on one side or the other of "BLMs with Static suck" "BLMs with Magnetic suck" because I understand that different LSs have different ways of doing things, and some BLMs just aren't going to benefit from Static to the extent that some others are. But that doesn't mean that setting up SCs isn't just as good or better of a strategy for many HNMs as is zerging them without one, like I said, it's your LS's preference and default.

I never said one side suck. It's mostly a minor soloing improvement vs a epeen boost against certain HNM. It's not like it makes or break the job, or change anything in the end.

If the only thing you do on BLM is HNM fight, 5% boost on MB will obviously be better for you than nothing, but if it's the case, chance is you are not a career BLM and have another job that will probably gain more from another earing.