Are end game PUPs any good ?

[spooky]

http://www.cactuarsensei.com/ffxivid/fakeblm.JPG

PUP Endgame: Pretend you're a Black Mage and hope no one notices

win

[Kurp]

PUPs get about the same action as BST in end game LSes, minus the ability to charm adds.

I don't think PUP could even touch BST damage and we all know how often they're used outside of adds.

[Rocl]

Stop using those words in the same sentence.

[Lithiani]

I've observed a PUP in Dynamis, he was basically just DPS with some debuffs. The best thing about him was that he was enhancing Puppet Roll (pet accuracy) on the SMNs. Other than that, any AH-DD would have been the same.

[Toth]

Other than that, any AH-DD would have been the same.

I don't think PUP could even touch BST damage and we all know how often they're used outside of adds

The basic answers to the OP's question.

[Lordwafik]

PUPs get about the same action as BST in end game LSes, minus the ability to charm adds.

I don't think PUP could even touch BST damage and we all know how often they're used outside of adds.

People still use BST for adds? Everyone just kills them.

If there was a BST = superior croud control these days, it'd be a monster that attacks rapidly so you can't blink tank it, doesnt hit too hard, but too fast for a pld to solo hold it, and resistant to sleep/lullaby, BUT charmable, and only then will BST would be considered to hold it, but people would probably just get a TP / Manaburn on it anyway.

[Isiolia]

BST just needs the ability to charm other players. Then we'd be used to go to HNM camps and charm all the other LSes tanks.

[Shuemue]

The best thing BST brings to end game is releasing a darter at window in DA.

[Seditedi]

I've observed a PUP in Dynamis, he was basically just DPS with some debuffs. The best thing about him was that he was enhancing Puppet Roll (pet accuracy) on the SMNs. Other than that, any AH-DD would have been the same.

PUP can enhance COR puppet roll?

[Seyrr]

When the job of the roll is in the party, the roll gets enhanced, remember?

[Seditedi]

o yea, not too familiar with COR.

[NynJa]

not to familiar with most jobs either...............................

[Fng]

The best thing BST brings to end game is releasing a darter at window in DA.

Someone always kill my darters before the window!

[Seditedi]

not to familiar with most jobs either...............................

stfu

[BRP]

What a bait thread. Should I just titled it "I hate black people".

[Sixtail]

Why would you even ask that question on a forum where, unless you have NIN sub and a Ridill, you're useless at endgame. ?_?

Toth's right though, it has amazing potential, just needs a final little push before people start to jump the bandwagon like BLM and lolSMN.

LOL

I must see if your other six posts on this 'omgevilendgameelitests' fourm also pack such utter comic value. I could use some good turkey-fueled laughs tommarrow. The funny -ALLMOST- beats the level of failure.

FYI your sig's too damn big.

[Asy]

Why would you even ask that question on a forum where, unless you have NIN sub and a Ridill, you're useless at endgame. ?_?

Toth's right though, it has amazing potential, just needs a final little push before people start to jump the bandwagon like BLM and lolSMN.

LOL

I must see if your other six posts on this 'omgevilendgameelitests' fourm also pack such utter comic value. I could use some good turkey-fueled laughs tommarrow. The funny -ALLMOST- beats the level of failure.

FYI your sig's too damn big.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ool

just made my fucking day rofl

[Toth]

While I never forsee PUP being a bandwagon job (too many people won;t even level it because of the AF), it will never reach the power of BLM or SMN. That I can personally attest too :D

[doofy]

Random SS's from Sea last weekend -

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m57/dooofy/pup4.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m57/dooofy/pup1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m57/dooofy/pup2.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m57/dooofy/pup3.jpg

VE/VE with the retarded Jailer def buff on almost all the time, regular melee hits capped at a consistant 60 (other melees in the group were hitting 0-20, Attuner might be a % attack increase based on mob defense as the numbers werent even close when it buffed) and accuracy scaled with heat seeker up to about 75% near the end of the fight. Puppet was kept alive throughout using Eraser and Repair, main needed no healing due to distance. Going to test VE/SS when I get a chance, but since its ranged attacks still cant crit (even with a dynamo) its not worth it.

If SE ever decides to fix the damn weaponskill bug or add new ones PUPing will become viable, but its still going to be awhile before you get more than 2 75 PUPs in the same place. Meripos are still kinda "meh" due to speed (the haste attachment is junk due to needing WMs active), but its attk/def calculation is busted on the really high def mobs. 3/4 puppets smacking away on mobs for 100 per melee hit, no mage healing needed at all, flash/shield bash spam and hopefully some new f'ing weaponskills that can drop about 500 a pop would make it a worthwhile job to use.

The almighty "Xmas patch" is rumored to address this (along with the other two new jobs) but who knows. The potential for the job is there (it would have been great 2 years ago), but it needs the final tweaks to make it worth using with current strats/gameplay.

-Vyzrael (Asura)

[Ravenlokk]

Don't forget to parse your PUP TP burn with Kirin result :D
I'd like to know it. Well, If you and your automation can deal about 7% of a war or a mnk, PUP should really be something.

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