Documentary about GS/Goldfarmers

[rydiu]

Thats the main reason why I think WoW>FFXI. Even if rmts are all gone it doesnt get rid of how easy it is to cockblock other players out of content. I played FFXI for almost 3 years I was a 75 Paladin 75 Warrior 68 Sam and never even killed any ground kings. I dont see the fun in changing around my real life schedule for Fafnir or any other King HNMs window.

You can experience all those fights in a normal BCNM. You don't need to change your life schedule AT ALL to experience all that stuff...you can even fight faf and ever ground HNM if you have a decent small skilled LS..

Items like ridill are meant to be the "next to impossible to obtain" items in the game... they're not meant for everyone to have. Sorry. If you're hardcore you can get it.. but its not practical for many people.. keep dreamin

[Pacha]

The worst part is at the end when the gil farmer says something along the lines of "regular gamers need to let us do our jobs...all we want the regular gamers to do is give us a little space and we won't bother you." So basically, he's saying we should just let all the gil farmers have the camps totally to themselves for expensive items so that the only way normal gamers can get these items is to buy them with RL money...?

Yeah, but that was refering to WoW, not FFXI. I can't say this for sure since I don't play it, but I heard RMTs have much less of an impact there than it does here. Mainly because they can be PKed over there, and not here

qft.

Before people flip out by that last guy's statement, keep in mind those are WoW goldfarmers not FFXI gil farmers.

Because of WoW's system, they just farm regular mobs over and over again. You will never have an issue getting a mob that you want because of a goldfamer.

Not saying it's right, but the situation over there is completely different than FF. There's just as many gold farmers as gil farmers, but there's very very little impact to the game on WoW than FF.

Interesting video and yeah it didn't seem like the WoW gilsellers were really monopolizing any vital resources as they can in FFXI (ulli and before that things like o.kote/p.charm NMs and even mining points and digging), although i don't know much about WoW so I might be wrong.

The documentary was interesting, of course it seems very superficial to actual players but the fact that somewhat mainstream media actually starts to talk about it is nice.

I sort of felt bad for those RMTs though o.O, I still think the blame is mostly with the people who buy virtual currency and create a demand for that instead of using that money for something more productive that would drive those same people in china into more socially useful science or manufacturing careers.

In that clip, I got the impression that some of the shops were also the same shops that farm FFXI gil. Regardless, the thing that irritated me was that MTV was trying to portray the gil farmers in a sympathetic light...as if to say, "these poor people are trying to do their job and those big bad "regular gamers" are trying to disrupt them such as by coming into their camps in FFXI or PK'ing them in WoW." That is obviously not the reality of the situation, but people on the outside looking in might percieve it that way after watching this documentary.

The bottom line is that the gil farmers are doing something illegal that is against the agreements that they agree to before playing these games. Whether they farm WoW or FFXI, gil farmers are making money in an illegitimate way.

[Vinny]

Ban all IPs coming out of China {Yes please}

[Ksandra]

but there's very very little impact to the game on WoW than FF.

I wouldn't go that far... it still has a major impact.

It directly affects people's cognizant processes and the way in which they interact with others based upon the way they develop their character - by cheating.

People who cheat don't know how the game is meant to be played and never will unless they erase their characters and start from scratch...

Cheaters interact with everyone with their distorted views of reality and that is more than "very little" of an impact on any mmo...Of course the same goes on in real life... with corrupt CEOs etc etc.. but in a controlled game-world it should at least be controlled and people should be able to contorl their own selfish impulses..

I probably should have stated the sentence as, "but there's very very little impact to the game on WoW in comparison to FF"

I'm too lazy to post all the differences, but in a pvp system it's a lot hard to get far without knowing how to play, versus nonpvp systems.

Most of the complaints against rmt come from games like EQ and FF where people get effected by the farmers. I rarely hear about WoW players complain because it never ends up directly effecting them.

Does it make it right? No, and I don't want you thinking I support them.

The reason for my post was to point out that when the farmer states "give us some space" he did not mean, "give me space while I fight Ulli", it would have been more equivilant to "give me space while I farm some forest hares in an area people rarely go to." Which is basically how they farm in WoW.

[Kuya]

The reason for my post was to point out that when the farmer states "give us some space" he did not mean, "give me space while I fight Ulli", it would have been more equivilant to "give me space while I farm some forest hares in an area people rarely go to." Which is basically how they farm in WoW

Wait, you mean the gil sellers in WoW are quite and peaceful while the playerbase is mostly composed of dicks? WHAT A TWIST!

some amount of sarcasm, and no i know what you meant

[genome]

I'm too lazy to post all the differences, but in a pvp system it's a lot hard to get far without knowing how to play, versus nonpvp systems.

Yes I remember they had a SouthPark episode about that hehe.

Anyways I think the newer countermeasures by SE are becoming much more effective as everyone can see from the changes in ffxi's economy. RMTs can keep trying to restart from scratch each time, but if they keep getting their billion gil banks banned before all those months of work could pay off at IGE, eventually they will move to something that doesn't have the potential to be a huge financial loss for them each time, like another game that doesn't trace RMT activities. Things definitely started to look promising recently.

This is exactly what anti-gilseller moves are supposed to be about, not requiring people to waste their time trying to MPK them just banning swiftly and decisively anybody trying to sell currency or using cheat tools.

[Khamsin]

They show the Gs/GF in there houses playing computers , it shows them get depressed lol when they get accounts banned, and they mention ige as there primary gil buyer a few times i think.

You know, I always imagined the RMT all huddled together in basements with 6 PS2s hooked up to each monitor with a switch, rather than farming from their houses.

[Ksandra]

I'm too lazy to post all the differences, but in a pvp system it's a lot hard to get far without knowing how to play, versus nonpvp systems.

Yes I remember they had a SouthPark episode about that hehe.

Anyways I think the newer countermeasures by SE are becoming much more effective as everyone can see from the changes in ffxi's economy. RMTs can keep trying to restart from scratch each time, but if they keep getting their billion gil banks banned before all those months of work could pay off at IGE, eventually they will move to something that doesn't have the potential to be a huge financial loss for them each time, like another game that doesn't trace RMT activities. Things definitely started to look promising recently.

This is exactly what anti-gilseller moves are supposed to be about, not requiring people to waste their time trying to MPK them just banning swiftly and decisively anybody trying to sell currency or using cheat tools.

ya I like what SE has been doing, I wish they had started 4 years ago, but if wishes were wings.... You gotta admit though there are some gil sellers you wouldn't mind beating the crap out of for a few hours. XD

Though I doubt that would stop them. XD

[Gere]

Ban all IPs coming out of China {Yes please}

Oooh I remember this part, the computer illiterate and/or racist says this and then someone who knows better says: Proxy server.

[rydiu]

Wait, you mean the gil sellers in WoW are quite and peaceful while the playerbase is mostly composed of dicks? WHAT A TWIST!

Thats actually pretty true....not to detract from wow's fun parrts - there are many more level 60 r-tart retard kids in wow than in ffxi... many many more - at a much higher ratio.

[Thalion]

Thats the main reason why I think WoW>FFXI. Even if rmts are all gone it doesnt get rid of how easy it is to cockblock other players out of content. I played FFXI for almost 3 years I was a 75 Paladin 75 Warrior 68 Sam and never even killed any ground kings. I dont see the fun in changing around my real life schedule for Fafnir or any other King HNMs window.

You can experience all those fights in a normal BCNM. You don't need to change your life schedule AT ALL to experience all that stuff...you can even fight faf and ever ground HNM if you have a decent small skilled LS..

Items like ridill are meant to be the "next to impossible to obtain" items in the game... they're not meant for everyone to have. Sorry. If you're hardcore you can get it.. but its not practical for many people.. keep dreamin

I've done the KS99 versions of KB, fafnir and also the Kings limbus zone. I still would have liked to be able to fight the real versions without the game deciding on when they pop and camping against 100 other people.

[Ravenlokk]

Thats the main reason why I think WoW>FFXI. Even if rmts are all gone it doesnt get rid of how easy it is to cockblock other players out of content. I played FFXI for almost 3 years I was a 75 Paladin 75 Warrior 68 Sam and never even killed any ground kings. I dont see the fun in changing around my real life schedule for Fafnir or any other King HNMs window.

You can experience all those fights in a normal BCNM. You don't need to change your life schedule AT ALL to experience all that stuff...you can even fight faf and ever ground HNM if you have a decent small skilled LS..

Items like ridill are meant to be the "next to impossible to obtain" items in the game... they're not meant for everyone to have. Sorry. If you're hardcore you can get it.. but its not practical for many people.. keep dreamin

I've done the KS99 versions of KB, fafnir and also the Kings limbus zone. I still would have liked to be able to fight the real versions without the game deciding on when they pop and camping against 100 other people.

Well, KS99 KB is similar, the fafnir is more like a baby tiamat- Kings Limbus can be trio'd (including the king kills; but i havent tried the aspi)... If you really want to camp with less competition camp outside of peak times- like 2-6AM PST... most of the hardcore JP's have everything they want from kings, so theres generally a lot less competition outside of peak times. Thats how i got my ridill !

[Deuce]

I'm too lazy to post all the differences, but in a pvp system it's a lot hard to get far without knowing how to play, versus nonpvp systems.

Yes I remember they had a SouthPark episode about that hehe.

Anyways I think the newer countermeasures by SE are becoming much more effective as everyone can see from the changes in ffxi's economy. RMTs can keep trying to restart from scratch each time, but if they keep getting their billion gil banks banned before all those months of work could pay off at IGE, eventually they will move to something that doesn't have the potential to be a huge financial loss for them each time, like another game that doesn't trace RMT activities. Things definitely started to look promising recently.

This is exactly what anti-gilseller moves are supposed to be about, not requiring people to waste their time trying to MPK them just banning swiftly and decisively anybody trying to sell currency or using cheat tools.

I just only hope that SE keeps up with this tactic. If FFXI becomes less profitable we can only hope that the RMT decide to move to a different worth more of their time.

[Alexandor]

I laughed at the last part of this vid too. "Give us a little space"

I don't know about the situation in china right now and if it's really that hard to get a proper job, but still this game is for entertaiment and SE needs to protect the normal people who just wanna have fun. Can't aggree to see gil sellers camping shit over and over and you can't even upgrade your own equip because of that reason, unless you farm crappy things for hours. Anyways- I would just wish all this stupid gil selling/buying would stop and that SE would actually do something against botters, so everyone has the same chances of claiming. Thanks for the post, and gg at MTV

[Drace]

I can't say this for sure since I don't play it, but I heard RMTs have much less of an impact there than it does here. Mainly because they can be PKed over there, and not here

Imagine if SE decided to allow known RMT players to become a PK'able target for a week or two before they get banned. Give everyone a chance to take out some angst first

Good times...

[inafume]

Thats the main reason why I think WoW>FFXI. Even if rmts are all gone it doesnt get rid of how easy it is to cockblock other players out of content. I played FFXI for almost 3 years I was a 75 Paladin 75 Warrior 68 Sam and never even killed any ground kings. I dont see the fun in changing around my real life schedule for Fafnir or any other King HNMs window.

You can experience all those fights in a normal BCNM. You don't need to change your life schedule AT ALL to experience all that stuff...you can even fight faf and ever ground HNM if you have a decent small skilled LS..

Items like ridill are meant to be the "next to impossible to obtain" items in the game... they're not meant for everyone to have. Sorry. If you're hardcore you can get it.. but its not practical for many people.. keep dreamin

I've done the KS99 versions of KB, fafnir and also the Kings limbus zone. I still would have liked to be able to fight the real versions without the game deciding on when they pop and camping against 100 other people.

Well, KS99 KB is similar, the fafnir is more like a baby tiamat- Kings Limbus can be trio'd (including the king kills; but i havent tried the aspi)... If you really want to camp with less competition camp outside of peak times- like 2-6AM PST... most of the hardcore JP's have everything they want from kings, so theres generally a lot less competition outside of peak times. Thats how i got my ridill !

I'm sure the previous poster would do just that if he had all the time in the world. "Sadly" some people play this game in the context of other things, like school, work, etc, which take far more priority and as such doing things at really fucked up times is impossible.

So with limited playtime, you either pick your spots, or you don't do it at all. I'm not sure if SE realized going in that rare spawns with high competition would block a lot of people from experiencing that content, but they sure did succeed with it.

[Heian]

but there's very very little impact to the game on WoW than FF.

I wouldn't go that far... it still has a major impact.

It directly affects people's cognizant processes and the way in which they interact with others based upon the way they develop their character - by cheating.

People who cheat don't know how the game is meant to be played and never will unless they erase their characters and start from scratch...

Cheaters interact with everyone with their distorted views of reality and that is more than "very little" of an impact on any mmo...Of course the same goes on in real life... with corrupt CEOs etc etc.. but in a controlled game-world it should at least be controlled and people should be able to contorl their own selfish impulses..

Yeah but the only time you have to interact with shitty players is in PUG BGs/Instances so yeah no....Shitty players will not get into a serious raiding guild.

[Janice]

I sort of felt bad for those RMTs though o.O, I still think the blame is mostly with the people who buy virtual currency and create a demand for that instead of using that money for something more productive that would drive those same people in china into more socially useful science or manufacturing careers.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. They could go to any city in any country around the world and do a documentary about people you should feel sorry for.

Thousands of people die a day and people don't shed a tear. Do a story about one person who died and all of a sudden we are supposed to care? Same thing here, probably billions of people's lives suck. Do a story about one group of people and how it sucks for them won't phase me. Does that make me inhuman? No, because we didn't care about them before we knew about them. Just like we don't care about the countless other people out there who's lives just suck.

[Sixtail]

They show the Gs/GF in there houses playing computers , it shows them get depressed lol when they get accounts banned, and they mention ige as there primary gil buyer a few times i think.

You know, I always imagined the RMT all huddled together in basements with 6 PS2s hooked up to each monitor with a switch, rather than farming from their houses.

The bigger farms are like that. It looks like MTV just did this on smaller RMT groups, IE-Friends who would rather farm then work. The bigger farms won't let cameras in. The bigger farms are also a mix of PS2 and PC people, for use of hacks, bazzar and mule characters, etc. Sometimes I think SE dropping PS2 support could be a very good thing indeed as it would be a shiv in the back to RMT farms who use 13 inch TV's and PS2's, but as you can go and spend 300 and get a Dell that runs the game, it wouldn't slow em down for long.

[Kyreth]

Ban all IPs coming out of China {Yes please}

IP Bans don't work if the people RMTing are creative enough finding a route around it. It's been done, it doesn't work.

S-E should be applying a "$50 disconnection fee" to "accounts that require forced termination due to violation of the Terms of Service". At their discretion, of course. Lil' Timmy who was dumb and DL'ed a "cheats list" that made him spam "JP's are cockfags" in /shout in Lower Jeuno shouldn't get the $50 fuckover, but Garbagename and Company should be handing over the cash money by the bucketful.

Hitting them in the money is the only way to harm RMT's. Make it hurt enough and the organized Gilsellers will dry up from financial damage.