[POLL] What colour is Adaman Hauberk?

[Priran]

According to Photoshop's results of extracting the color from those pictures, cloth is 68 Red, 61 Green, 91 Blue... Which assuming this is correct math (correct me if I'm wrong), means it's 83.2% Grey, 6.4% Purple, 10.5% Blue.

Metal is 87 Red, 79 Green, 120 Blue... Meaning it's 82.9% Grey, 5.6% Purple, 11.5% Blue.

and yet they still look purple

imagine that

[Lockecole]

According to Photoshop's results of extracting the color from those pictures, cloth is 68 Red, 61 Green, 91 Blue... Which assuming this is correct math (correct me if I'm wrong), means it's 83.2% Grey, 6.4% Purple, 10.5% Blue.

Metal is 87 Red, 79 Green, 120 Blue... Meaning it's 82.9% Grey, 5.6% Purple, 11.5% Blue.

and yet they still look purple

imagine that

And yet the topic is "What color is Adaman Hauberk". Not what they look like to you. You could be colorblind and it be green...which presumably all of the purple people are.

[Rocl]

According to Photoshop's results of extracting the color from those pictures, cloth is 68 Red, 61 Green, 91 Blue... Which assuming this is correct math (correct me if I'm wrong), means it's 83.2% Grey, 6.4% Purple, 10.5% Blue.

Metal is 87 Red, 79 Green, 120 Blue... Meaning it's 82.9% Grey, 5.6% Purple, 11.5% Blue.

and yet they still look purple

imagine that

And yet the topic is "What color is Adaman Hauberk". Not what they look like to you. You could be colorblind and it be green...which presumably all of the purple people are.

Or you could be mentally handicapped and think its Susan...which presumably all of the blue people are.

lolz

[Ksandra]

No, you really have to prove you can make X color look like Y color by using a Z color background. "Blending" is something different entirely.

I'm talking about smudging, I am now and always have been from the beginning. If you or someone can point me to a smudge tool in photoshop I'd happily demonstrate it, assuming it works like it should then it would change the color. Smudging together two colors together results in a different color, just like if you smudge blue and yellow together (makes green), smudging blue with white lightens it.

Regardless, my point still stands that it's not pure blue or purple. In addition, your results from blending/smudging in those pictures (or whatever you did) don't support it being purple as far as the technical amounts of color go.

According to Photoshop's results of extracting the color from those pictures, cloth is 68 Red, 61 Green, 91 Blue... Which assuming this is correct math (correct me if I'm wrong), means it's 83.2% Grey, 6.4% Purple, 10.5% Blue.

Metal is 87 Red, 79 Green, 120 Blue... Meaning it's 82.9% Grey, 5.6% Purple, 11.5% Blue.

However, I'm not 100% sure you could accurately classify the balance of colors in a color the way I did above. There is another way to do it that would give similar results though.

So you're saying a color has to be 50% red and %50 blue to be purple only?

[miokomioko]

http://www.chainstyle.com/tutorials/colwheel.html

Learn a little about transmitted color.

P.S. Red/Yellow/Blue are not primaries. We're past 2nd grade painting class, I would hope.

[Daahan]

DENILE IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT ANYMORE

[Lockecole]

DENILE IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT ANYMORE

Nice BLUE background you have in your sig Daahan. :wink:

[Ishido]

I google'd denile and was hoping to find something to make a witty joke with BUT I FOUND NOTHING.

Continue on with the photoshop examinations that no one from the other side of the argument will accept.

[RKenshin]

So you're saying a color has to be 50% red and %50 blue to be purple only?

Well... Technically, yes.

Any combination of an even amount of blue and red will give you just about any shade of purple. If the amounts of blue and red are uneven, then it's technically purple with a shade of red/blue or red/blue with a shade of purple, or however you want to look at it.

EDIT: @Ishido, I'm not on any side of the argument, lol... I haven't even voted, I'm just providing information that photoshop is showing.

DENILE IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT ANYMORE

Nice BLUE background you have in your sig Daahan. :wink:

It's obviously purple.

[miokomioko]

So you're saying a color has to be 50% red and %50 blue to be purple only?

Well... Technically, yes.

Any combination of an even amount of blue and red will give you just about any shade of purple. If the amounts of blue and red are uneven, then it's technically purple with a shade of red/blue or red/blue with a shade of purple, or however you want to look at it.

EDIT: @Ishido, I'm not on any side of the argument, lol... I haven't even voted, I'm just providing information that photoshop is showing.

I'm amazed you're referring to photoshop and still calling it "purple."

Equal parts Red and Blue = Megenta, which is far from the topic of Adaman Hauberks I'm sure most eyes can see. Magenta = a neutral value with the absense of Green. The saturation of said Magenta is dependant on the # of Green added to that combination, adding it slowly brings the 3 values of RGB closer together and when they are all equal, it's a neutral grey tone with no color. The lightness would be controlled by how much exactly of the Red/Blue you use, closer to 0 = dark tone, closer to 255 = a pastel.

That is the 3-dimensional color model (shaped like a cylinder). Hue/Saturation/Brightness, (HSB) which as you can see is also an option for inputtiung values for in photoshop.

As much as people want to deny it because of what they were taught was purple when they were a kid fingerpainting in elementary school, a true saturated 255 blue is a lot closer to the color people commonly call violet or indigo. Or...... purple. (which is more likely to be a blue-magenta hue)

Common names for everyday colors are pretty skewed from the actual names of the exact values. What we like to call blue (i.e. the sky) is actually cyan. So it's pretty easy to see why there's an argument over it when most people have the names of colors shifted over one tick counter-clockwise than where they should be.

Go play with the color picker in photoshop and fiddle around with the values, you can teach yourself a bit that way. Just beware the CMYK is actually values for ink on paper, and won't look right when compared to RGB values due to cyan ink being generally weaker and requiring a higher value than the rest. Not to mention equal values of 3 inks can always be replaced with neutral black ink... but that's a whole nother story.

[Motokyo]

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/Motokyo/purp.jpg
The Background is color picked from one of the brightest spots on the armor using "Pick color" tool in MS paint the other colors are default MS paint colors. Looks purple IMO

[RKenshin]

@miokomioko

I said in the post you quoted that I'm not on any side of this argument, haven't been from the start. I'm not calling it purple, and I'm not calling it blue.

I've been playing with the photoshop values through this post as well, I have a pretty good idea of what colors look like with different numbers of Blue/Red/Green. I'm simply referring to a combination of red and blue as purple, which by definitions I've known, is correct.

I don't really understand the what difference is between Magenta and Purple anyway? The definitions I found for Magenta refer to it as a "purplish pink" and "a mixture of violet and pink", and for Purple it's "a mix of blue and red" and "a color of intermediate between red and blue." Which, would mean I was correct in referring to it as purple, or at least as a general statement.

EDIT: Saved that color wheel to my desktop and extracted the colors through photoshop to see what values of red/green/blue it gave, according to that Magenta is something like 50% Blue/Red and Purple is 66% Blue and 33% Red? Would that be correct then? Or, at least assuming Blue-Magenta is equivalent to what most view as Purple.

[miokomioko]

It had nothing to do with whether hauberk is "purple" or "blue..." I know you're not saying one or the other, but you were saying that Red + Blue = Purple. Which is indeed false, it is Magenta, which is a very vivid almost hot pink/maroonish color.

Discussions regarding color can't be debated in terms of perception because of how inconsistant perception really is from one individual to another. Being a piece of virtual armor in a video game, it has consistant binary code that decides the value for each pixel on it regardless of your system, your monitor, and especially regardless of your eye's capabilities of perceiving the color temperature, the hue of an Adaman Hauberk has values and can only be described using those values. Pull up the .dat skin for for the hauberk or whatever other Adaman pieces, look at it in Photoshop with the info palette visible. observe the RGB values as you run your cursor over the image. It should be clear as day what color it really is completely regardless of what the commoner thinks blue or purple really look like.

Not a lot of people consider Cyan or Magenta when they think of a color wheel. I don't understand why it's common to teach primaries as Red/Yellow/Blue, and "secondaries" as Green/Purple/Orange. It's literally wrong. If you add any of those sets of colors up it would make a grey if they were true primaries/secondaries. As we all know from experience, they make a shitty Brown (aka: dark orange).

P.S. Motokyo, in choosing the "lightest" point of the armor, you also managed to pick the least saturated point on it. A mid-tone would be your best bet, and also, if you're comparing the colors, a background color completely skews your preception of the colors around it. The longer you look at a single tone, the more your eye tries to adjust everything so it looks neutral. Such as, if you stare at a bright green piece of paper, then take it away, you see a color haze over everything the opposite color, which is... Magenta. Anyhow, sample the colors and supply the RGB values if you're trying to prove it's more "purple" than "blue" (which is pretty close to the same damn thing in my opinion).

[miokomioko]

EDIT: Saved that color wheel to my desktop and extracted the colors through photoshop to see what values of red/green/blue it gave, according to that Magenta is something like 50% Blue/Red and Purple is 66% Blue and 33% Red? Would that be correct then? Or, at least assuming Blue-Magenta is equivalent to what most view as Purple.

I'd agree with that for the most part, but a true 255 blue looks like purple to a lot of people, as I've observed from taking a few courses on digital color systems and crap like that. I'd say anywhere between 100%Blue and 66%Blue + 33%Red (blue-magenta) is what the average person might call purple. It's such a obscure thing to estimate when people's eyes can be pretty fucked up.

[RKenshin]

Seriously? lol

255 Blue looks, really Blue...
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9981/ffxi1096ri4.jpg

Unless my monitor settings are off or something.

[Khamsin]

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k10/Motokyo/purp.jpg
The Background is color picked from one of the brightest spots on the armor using "Pick color" tool in MS paint the other colors are default MS paint colors. Looks purple IMO

That's more of a grayish blue than purple.

[miokomioko]

Has periwinkle been mentioned?

[melbufrauma]

you're all wrong adaman is clearly green.......


according to runescape :D

[Sykes]

http://www.tarupanic.com/sykes/misc/blue.jpg

Still looks blue to me.

Not sure what the point of the image is except that I'm pretty sure that those Blues would be interpreted as purples by some of the people participating in the discussion.

[Exoduso]

My Adaberk kind of lost its color since I threw it away... >.>

Oh, and it's blue people... stop this colorblind madness.