Smoking Bans

[Minions]

Way to spark the non smoker vs smokers debate. No smoker in their right mind is gonna vote against smoking where they want, and i'd be real suprised if this got passed in alot of states. (we can always hope it will be)

[Xavier]

Ban public smoking or charge every smoker with manslaughter.

I don't want lung cancer because someone else can't handle their addiction. If I want to kill myself thats my own business, but I sure as hell don't want anyone else contributing.

[theo]

I'm all for banning smoking in public places.... restaurants, work, public parks, walking down the street, etc.

However banning it completely is just wrong. If somebody wants to do that in their own home it should be their right to do so.

Now I don't even smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy a cigar once in a while. By that I mean like, "its been 3 months, I feel like having a smoke." It is by no means a daily habit. And if I want to sit on my back porch and do that a coule times a year, I see no fair reason for my gov. to try to stop me.

[Enkidu]

In VA, we have no non-smoking ban, and I doubt they'd ever try one. We had a run of the mill diner place that was standing room only on weekends, line around the block to get in, smokers and nonsmokers the like, was rare to see a friday night and the place not packed. They decided to go non-smoking due to people that frequented it "crying", "whining", and bitching about having smokers in the same resturant. Well after 6 months they tried this banned smoking, have no gone completly out of buisness due to only non-smokers comming.

Your story and conclusion are simply not in line with one another.

-VA has no smoking bans (I assume the double negative was accidental)
-Restaurant imposes smoking bans
-Restaurant loses customers

vs.

-State has a smoking ban
-All restaurants ban smoking
-Smoking customers have no choice but to not light up

Unless, of course, you believe that smokers will drive an extra hour/day to go to another state to enjoy fine dining with a side of cancer. Every state that has imposed a smoking ban has seen no drop in bar/restaurant revenue. Some have even gained from it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban#Economic_loss

[Saphirea]

The double negative was a mistake. I was just using that one as my only argument, I don't smoke around non-smokers, its rude. But in my own right, don't come around me when I'm outside away from the building and you have the need to walk in my direction and bitch / whine / complaign, I'm going to laugh at you. You respect my rights and I'll respect yours.

[Jujubie]

Way to spark the non smoker vs smokers debate. No smoker in their right mind is gonna vote against smoking where they want, and i'd be real suprised if this got passed in alot of states. (we can always hope it will be)

I smoke and I voted for it. I don't smoke in my house at all, and even when I lived in an apartment i'd be outside in the snow/rain/cold whatever to get my fix. Sometimes even when I'd go to a resturant, especially if I was with non-smokers, i'd sit in the non-smoking section. I don't mind it and if I had less places to smoke sure would make it easier to quit. Tis an expensive $5.00 per pack/day habit.

Juju

[Not Kuno]

No smoking at work: I can understand this. People have to work.
No smoking at restaurants: I can understand this. People have to eat.

Don't like smokey bars? Heres a fucking tip retards.....DON'T FUCKING GO TO THEM!!!!!

What about the people that work at the bars? Do they need to die because you can't control yourself? Way to contradict yourself.


And my first post wan't clear. When I said ban cigarattes I ment "Make them against the law."

[Devek]

No smoking at work: I can understand this. People have to work.
No smoking at restaurants: I can understand this. People have to eat.

Don't like smokey bars? Heres a fucking tip retards.....DON'T FUCKING GO TO THEM!!!!!

What about the people that work at the bars? Do they need to die because you can't control yourself? Way to contradict yourself.


And my first post wan't clear. When I said ban cigarattes I ment "Make them against the law."

No one is forcing anyone to go to or work at a bar that has smoking.

[Gregorio]

I've never smoked a cig in my life and I'm against the bans in restaraunts/bars. I'll follow up by saying that I don't allow my friends to smoke in my house, and that cig smoke in general gives me a headache and is nasty. However, the government should not be able to jump in and tell business owners what perfectly legal activities they can and can't do on their own property.

People have a choice whether or not to go into a smoking establishment. If you don't want to be around smoke either go to a non-smoking bar or don't go out at all. Your personal preference for not wanting to be around smoke does not trump my property rights.

Now if we're talking about a ban of smoking in public places I'd be for it. There's nothing more annoying than getting stuck walking behind a smoker outside and having to breath that stuff when I'm outside. But a restaraunt/bar is NOT public property.

[Tyche]

Some people like it for obvious reasons, some people dont like it for the same, same goes with some bar business owners, imgine how much it will hurt their sales when the people they serve cant smoke? Here in Cincy, people are already planning to go over to Kentucky and smoke in the bars there. In stadiums people will be hard pressed to find a place to smoke, the cant smoke inside, and they cant smoke in the near perimeter either, so they better find a new habit.

Hmm, didn't know about people wanting to go to Kentucky. I need to get out more.

I was just talking about the smoking ban with someone at lunch, cause the news mentioned it. My college has apparently always had a ban of smoking within 25 feet of the doorway, but it's never enforced, even after they did a recent push to promote it, and the fact they have signs around the doorways.

For me, I can't stand to be around smokers. It's part of the reason I don't do anything out. I'd rather not deal with smoke, cause it makes it difficult for me to breathe. I supported the ban. I'd also support a banning of cigarettes period.

Kentucky (im from KY) doesn't have a state wide yes/no legislation. It's a city voted legislation. Im guessing the closest decent town to cinci is probably lexington, and the bars there suck anyway. Not that that's the point or anything. Tabacco is a HUUUUUUUUUGE cash crop in kentucky, almost as much as marijuana (really). I doubt that they'll put a state wide legislation on banning tabacco unless enforced by the federal government, or unless they pull the same shit like back when alcohol was illegal.

[Gregorio]

Which is what we're doing if we go to a place that allows smoking. I want to sit at the bar with my beer and have my cigarette. I want to sit in a chair at a restaurant and smoke after my meal. By banning smoking in ALL restaurants and bars you are saying to me, "don't like it? then leave!".

Like I said, democracy. If 10 people say "don't like it? then leave!" and 2 say "but I wanna do it!! /emo", the 10 win. You can still do what you want in smoking, just not where I am or where I want to be. It's not saying that the smoker can't smoke, just that he/she can't smoke in public - where other people do not want him/her to smoke.

We don't live in a pure democracy.

And is "majority rules" REALLY the best way to decide laws?? Less than 200 years ago the majority of the country thought slavery was fine and dandy. That must mean it was justified, I mean hey, the majority ruled! Not so long ago the majority said that interracial marriages were illegal. Majority rules, it's fine! Do I really need to go on?

And if I see one more person say a restaraunt is public property I'm going to pay a mod to ban you. I'm rich bish I can afford it.

[Cleveland]

No smoking at work: I can understand this. People have to work.
No smoking at restaurants: I can understand this. People have to eat.

Don't like smokey bars? Heres a fucking tip retards.....DON'T FUCKING GO TO THEM!!!!!

What about the people that work at the bars? Do they need to die because you can't control yourself? Way to contradict yourself.


And my first post wan't clear. When I said ban cigarattes I ment "Make them against the law."

No one is forcing anyone to go to or work at a bar that has smoking.

Exactly. If you have some objection to the job, its environment, etc, why would you want to work there. Same concept of why you wouldn't apply for a job at an adult bookstore.

Its called a work hazard. If you can't accept it, then you do not work there. Let's say you get a job at a mushroom growing plant. As you may or may not know, these places are filled to the brim with ammonia (by product of the mushroom growing process). Ammonia is bad for you. Are you going to piss and moan about the ammonia until they ban mushrooms? Or are you going to find a job elsewhere?

Smoking and alcohol go hand in hand. Therefore one can conclude that taking a job in a bar would involve smoking patrons. If you object to these smoking patrons.....you don't get a job there. Quite simple really.

Once again...why can't you think for yourself and use commonsense rather than crying about things and making the government do your thinking for you.

[Cleveland]

And you non-smoking advocates have ruined the Titty Bars, absolutely ruined them.

The smokey haze not only masked the odor of stripper perfume and skanky pussy, but also skewed the lighting and hid stretch marks, c-section scars, and herpes.

Not anymore.....asshats.

[Gregorio]

Yup...now instead of coming home smelling like smoke I come home smelling like cotton-candy (aka stripper-scent). I can explain smoke, but since the circus hasn't come around in a while it's hard to explain smelling like cotton candy.

[shihei]

definately for the ban
you want to slowly commit suicide then be my guest but please dont take me with you

ps, alcoholics, just go outside to smoke your cancer sticks

pps, when a small animal dies from ingesting a small amount of tobacco or nicotine, itshould ring some bells that is bad foryou also

[Toralyn]

I never thought I'd say I'm glad I live in the south, but right now I am. NC doesn't have any bans either, and I'm glad for it.

I do smoke, quite a bit actually. I smoke in my apartment (my room mate all smoke too), however I don't smoke when I'm around my non smoking friends, and if I have the sudden craving, I step outside and smoke. Same with resteraunts and the like, I'll sit in the non-smoking with my friends, I won't smoke in my own car if non-smokers are there. The major difference is, it doesn't bother them (or so they say), I'm doing it because it's the polite thing to do.

Oh, and I have to ask. For those of you who live in areas where you can only smoke at your home, on your own property, is it also illegal to smoke while driving? If so, wtf.

[shihei]

I never thought I'd say I'm glad I live in the south, but right now I am. NC doesn't have any bans either, and I'm glad for it.

I do smoke, quite a bit actually. I smoke in my apartment (my room mate all smoke too), however I don't smoke when I'm around my non smoking friends, and if I have the sudden craving, I step outside and smoke. Same with resteraunts and the like, I'll sit in the non-smoking with my friends, I won't smoke in my own car if non-smokers are there. The major difference is, it doesn't bother them (or so they say), I'm doing it because it's the polite thing to do.

Oh, and I have to ask. For those of you who live in areas where you can only smoke at your home, on your own property, is it also illegal to smoke while driving? If so, wtf.

i think it is just bars and restuarants etc, but if it was for driving too, well you ould smoke while your car is on your property lol, like you can drink a beer in your car if you are in your driveway, even if it is on.

[Xavier]

, the government should not be able to jump in and tell business owners what perfectly legal activities they can and can't do on their own property.

By voting to impose a law that bans public smoking, it ceases to be a legal activity.

We don't live in a pure democracy.

Most of the time we don't, you're right, its a Republic, but on issues like public smoking, etc, that aren't decided in congress but rather on the ballot during an election, its about as close to a pure democracy as you can get.

[Cletis]

i dont smoke.. i think its disgusting..

im all for it inside in public places EXCEPT bars.. so thats why im against the bans

[Xavier]

I agree with that. It seems like if you're choosing to go to a bar you should just expect there to be smoking. The next obvious step is to ban all public drinking since it turns people into idiots.

>> "Hey mate went down to the bar yesterday, wild good time, we uh, talked and ate shitty food and uh went home."