Smoking Bans

[Xavier]

L O L there are no positives to drinking what so ever. even psychologically speaking it becomes a crutch for you and you never properly develop adequate social skills for when youre "sober"

let alone how even small amount reek havok on your body. btw a small glass of wine occasionally (small meaning not enough to even get people to the level of inebriation theyre accustomed to) is ok

You're fucking retarded if you think psychologists are refering to moderate drinkers as the socially handicapped people in question.

Moderate drinking, that which is defined by 1-2 glasses a night at most, has been proven to lower the risk of heart releated diseases.

No fucking shit doing a keg-stand because your daddy didn't love you will result in drinking as a crutch and inadequate social skills, but thats not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying that drinking in moderation has actual benefits, whereas smoking in any moderation only has drawbacks.

[Lordwafik]

Xinoa seriously find me a Pro to smoking so your argument can look non-retarded please.

You're arguing that it's not as detrimental as other things in society, but all those other things you mentioned have positive effects on the world (cars help you travel faster for example)

Riddle me this : What does smoking do as a positive that negates the negatives?

[Xiona]

the hell are you talking about. if you banned passanger comuter cars in major cities you wouldnt shut down the country so long as the mass transit was in place. youre just making inferences based on nothing. the cities DO have busses and subways, and they are used and relied on by a large amount of people. so to say throwing more people on them will shut down the economy is silly to say the least.

I wasn't aware that our busses and subways required no fuel to opperate. I seem to recall seeing buses emit the same emissions as cars. So really you're saying "you're taking my smoking away, I'm taking your car away" and don't give a damn about the reality of it.

and to smokers it serves a purpose as well, it provides a stress reliever which could, (by your assumptions of the mass transit shutting down the country), prevent millions of high strung people from going ape shit and killing everyone in a 8 block radius.

If millions of people would go apeshit without smoking I think we have a bigger problem as a society than cancer.

Many more millions can handle their lives without smoking. What makes those who smoke so socially challenged that without smoking their lives are over?

the emissions from the amount of people a bus can transport is SIGNIFIGANTLY less than if each one of them had their own car to drive around, good try though.

what makes non smokers so ignorant as to see quitting isnt as easy as not buying more cig's? hint, if it was that easy then people would just quit. its an addiction which is engrained highly in a persons social structure. why do you think people state, its easier to quit smoking within the first 3 years than after that? like i said before, imagine knowing something is bad, and makes you feel like crap and yet still when you dont have it the only thing you can think of (not even exaggerating) is getting another one.

but i guess its easier to just try and push smokers to a small corner somewhere than actually try and impliment a system which helps and encourages them to stop... other than a gay hotline. we all know they work ooo so well.

[Cleveland]

So why haven't the same people who brought us the non-smoking ban also try to ban the microwave?

Because microwaves serve a purpose and smoking is a selfish activity that has no benefits and only detriments?

Microwave Pros: Heats food quickly.
Microwave Cons: Emits radiation.

Smoking Pros: LOL NO BENEFIT TO SMOKING
Smoking Cons: Harmful to both the smoker and anyone around them.

Just because it has a benefit...doesn't make it ok.

Asbestos Brake pads anyone?

Asbestos brake pads were 100x better than anything we have now. They lasted longer, and did a much better job stopping the car. Served a very good purpose....stopping your car so you dont die. Banned. Asbestos caused lung problems and killed some people. It served a much better purpose than the microwave, and yet they are no longer. To make matters worse, it was asbestos insulation that killed people, not the brake pads....but the governement with its "ban it all" mentality took care of that for us.

There are many things on the "ban" list that served purposes, and yet are banned.

The whole "serves a purpose" argument is invalid in this case as it has been proven that "purpose," or lack there of, has no bearing on bannings. Thus, we are left with "harmful" and "not harmful."

So my argument stands....Microwaves need to be banned.

[Xavier]

the emissions from the amount of people a bus can transport is SIGNIFIGANTLY less than if each one of them had their own car to drive around, good try though.

what makes non smokers so ignorant as to see quitting isnt as easy as not buying more cig's? hint, if it was that easy then people would just quit. its an addiction which is engrained highly in a persons social structure.

I heard using the patch is 100% less emissions of smoke while still giving you the nicatine you're so addicted to.

If you can't quit smoking, theres alternatives that allow you to keep getting the high without involving other people in your problems. The only thing selfish is to say you deserve to smoke and everyone else can go to hell.

but i guess its easier to just try and push smokers to a small corner somewhere than actually try and impliment a system which helps and encourages them to stop... other than a gay hotline. we all know they work ooo so well.

Really? That must be why there are no clinics around the country designed to help people suffering from withdrawl from alcohol, nicotine, etc.

Yeah, all of those clinics are sure designed to fuck over smokers and huddle them together to be forgotten.

[Lordwafik]

but i guess its easier to just try and push smokers to a small corner somewhere than actually try and impliment a system which helps and encourages them to stop

Yeah because smokers are the victims right? I mean, there was a dude who forced you to put your first cig in your mouth , you didn't start by free will at all nope nope.

Get yourself into crap, get yourself out of it, don't drag the rest of us with you.

[Devek]

Paradoxically long-term smoking relieves many people of nasal allergies.. which can lead to less sinus infections and less migranes... a lot of smokers don't even notice until they quit for a few months.

It is a stretch but its true

[SephYuyX]

Moderate drinking, that which is defined by 1-2 glasses a night at most, has been proven to lower the risk of heart releated diseases.

I thought it was 2 or 3 glasses of red wine a week.

[Xavier]

Moderate drinking, that which is defined by 1-2 glasses a night at most, has been proven to lower the risk of heart releated diseases.

I thought it was 2 or 3 glasses of red wine a week.

It is, but as long as you don't exceed 1 or 2 a night you're still above the curve.

[dietvanillapepsi]

For those that can't believe that such bans will work, guess what: Outside of your little bubble, there are whole cities and states that have banned public smoking for years. Are these states smoke free? No. Did people quit smoking because they couldn't handle a 1-2 hour dinner without lighting up? No. Are these states lying in ruins and under civil war? No.

California went through all the same arguments over 10 years ago that you guys are saying. Lots of people still smoke in California. You adapt. The smokers in California are killing themselves just as fast as the people in othe parts of the nation despite the handicap of not being able to puff in between bites of their T-bone steak.

I LOL when I read all your arguments about what "might" happen when we have real world examples showing that life doesn't end as we know it.


P.S.-- Before you continue your arguing, you might want to learn a couple of things:

1) Democracy doesn't mean you can do whatever the hell you want. Otherwise, murder would be legal.

Your rights end when another individual's rights begins. Learn it, Know it, Live it.

2) A restaurant or bar is a "public establishment" even though it might be privately owned. Yes you can regulate it, just like the Dept of Health can regulate what and how it serves it's food and drinks.

3) Keep your argument on topic. Your local government is not banning smoking. They are banning smoking in public places.[/list]

[Enkidu]

Lets forget about cars for a moment as part of the argument....

Microwaves

I am sure you all have them. I am sure you all love them. My aren't the great. Such a wonderful invention to allow me to quickly cook a hot meal.

Too bad they emit more electronmagnetic radiation running for 10 minutes than a nuclear power plant does in 5 years. Yup...Microwaves cause cancer. No doubt about it. It is a deadly appliance, and should not be allowed anywhere.

They are in your office, your dorm, your home, your friends home, and your local eateries. I for one am against them as they will kill me. However, fat Bertha where I work can fire it up any time she likes to cook her hot pockets, with absolutely no regard for my health or well-being. I go out to eat, and I am appaled that 3-4 of them are running in the kitchen at any given time. I don't want them near me, or my family.

Now, it is not the only way to cook food. There a plenty of easy, cheap, and much safer alternatives. So why haven't the same people who brought us the non-smoking ban also try to ban the microwave?

Wut?

Microwaves leak like 10x less radiation then we get from the sun on a cloudy day. There has also been no link between microwaves and cancer at all...

Prove it or lose it.

[SilverBreeze]

what makes non smokers so ignorant as to see quitting isnt as easy as not buying more cig's? hint, if it was that easy then people would just quit. its an addiction which is engrained highly in a persons social structure. why do you think people state, its easier to quit smoking within the first 3 years than after that? like i said before, imagine knowing something is bad, and makes you feel like crap and yet still when you dont have it the only thing you can think of (not even exaggerating) is getting another one.

Yeah and who made you stick that first cigarette in your mouth? You? So you only have yourself to blame? Don't act like non smokers are the ignorant ones, because people who smoke are the ones who started sucking on the cancer sticks, not us. We don't know how hard it is to quit, why? Because we weren't stupid enough to start.

[Correction]

The amount of microwave radiation that would be lethal to a human being would have to be emitted by quite a few microwaves.

And let's be realistic, a microwave would kill you if it fell on you from the proper distance. Specious comparisons to shit which actually improves peoples lives does not properly champion the cause of smokers who think their constitutional rights are being violated the second someone implements public policy based on zomgScience saying 'hey that shit's pretty bad for everybody, not just the guy puffing.'

Tell you what, you can sit down on a park bench smoke next to me as long as I get to periodically fart in your face. Hey farting doesn't hurt you right? It feels plenty good to me!

[SephYuyX]

Cell phones should be banned for causing cancer.

[Xiona]

2 drinks eh?
http://alcoholism.about.com/library/blhealth01.htm

this is an understudied field but non the less still points to using alcohol to cope with the already stressful years of being a teen,
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=55049

Even though the adolescent brain has the capacity to adapt to an alcohol challenge, this will likely come at great cost as valuable cerebral resources are redirected from the important role of brain development to instead adapting to an alcohol challenge, and then restoring the system back to status quo once alcohol is eliminated or the challenge is removed."

id search for more but id rather not do a giant report for a forum debate. if you wanna know for yourself look it up from different areas.

lordwaf, i never said smoking was good or defending it. i just said its a bit contridictory to yell "stop smoking asshole!" as you get into a car which does a signifigantly larger amount what the smoker is doing. yep there are alternatives, but they arent as easy as you think.

oh and i love how non smokers fail to seperate the smoker from the cigarette. instead of looking at the little picture try and strive for the big one, sure seperating smokers from non smokers everywhere will stop you personally from getting cancer from 2nd hand cigarette smoke, but i think we should be more concerned with everyone and not just ourselves

[Popeh]

you guys bitch and moan about cig smoke as you jump in your car and pour the same shit into the air lol

I'm generally prefer not sat eating food with this been crammed down my gullet.

Personally I think bans FTW! Given the option though, i;d much rather restaurants be issued shotguns and blast smokers who light up inside. Why delay the inevitable.

What really makes me laugh - and I seriously mean laugh on the borderline of oh my god, go gouge your brain out with a blunt spoon, if trying to defend blowing your filthy, troll, stenching smell which has lined your insides and back out again, in other peoples faces.

How about I pull down my pants, take a dump on your table and you smile!

Nuff said.

Respectable smokers I don;t have an issue with. Ignorant morons who think everyone should share their pastimes of pumping smoke in the air - go die.

If I had a choice between car fumes and cigarette smoke, give me the car fumes!!!

Apologies for the ubber derail, but it's one of the rare things in life that bugs me ;p

[Axil]

Who cares how much it leaks, its about how much it puts into your food =o

[Xiona]

what makes non smokers so ignorant as to see quitting isnt as easy as not buying more cig's? hint, if it was that easy then people would just quit. its an addiction which is engrained highly in a persons social structure. why do you think people state, its easier to quit smoking within the first 3 years than after that? like i said before, imagine knowing something is bad, and makes you feel like crap and yet still when you dont have it the only thing you can think of (not even exaggerating) is getting another one.

Yeah and who made you stick that first cigarette in your mouth? You? So you only have yourself to blame? Don't act like non smokers are the ignorant ones, because people who smoke are the ones who started sucking on the cancer sticks, not us. We don't know how hard it is to quit, why? Because we weren't stupid enough to start.

actually i was a teenager and social factors as well as my own lack of foresight caused me to see it was a good idea. hindsight is 20/20 and if i knew it was THIS bad i would have never bothered. then again because you werent subjected to the same stressors and peer pressures as i not to mention lack of real hard knowledge about the subject hey you can judge me right? you fail to undestand that teenagers prefrontal lobes shrink in those years therefore almost negating their "impulses to dangerous" behaviours.

im not totally blaming my brain and environment, but really they didnt help much.

[ozz]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, microwaves WERE banned...and cigarrettes lacked filters! ...never thought i'd be a real use out of that phrase ;x

[Cleveland]

Lets forget about cars for a moment as part of the argument....

Microwaves

I am sure you all have them. I am sure you all love them. My aren't the great. Such a wonderful invention to allow me to quickly cook a hot meal.

Too bad they emit more electronmagnetic radiation running for 10 minutes than a nuclear power plant does in 5 years. Yup...Microwaves cause cancer. No doubt about it. It is a deadly appliance, and should not be allowed anywhere.

They are in your office, your dorm, your home, your friends home, and your local eateries. I for one am against them as they will kill me. However, fat Bertha where I work can fire it up any time she likes to cook her hot pockets, with absolutely no regard for my health or well-being. I go out to eat, and I am appaled that 3-4 of them are running in the kitchen at any given time. I don't want them near me, or my family.

Now, it is not the only way to cook food. There a plenty of easy, cheap, and much safer alternatives. So why haven't the same people who brought us the non-smoking ban also try to ban the microwave?

Wut?

Microwaves leak like 10x less radiation then we get from the sun on a cloudy day. There has also been no link between microwaves and cancer at all...

Prove it or lose it.

A) There is a link between elctromagnetic radiation and brain tumors. Microwaves generate a huge amount of electromagnetic radiation. You do the math.

B) Prove it or lose it? You can say the same for 2nd hand smoke. For evey clinical report that says it causes cancer, there is a clinical report refuting it. That is, if the initial report wasn't retracted already (you would be surprised).

I am not defending smoking, I am not saying its good (or bad...who am I to judge). What I am saying is that the current bans are wrong.

If they dont want people to smoke....ban tobacco. Period. End of discussion. Make it a controlled substance like heroine or cocaine.

If you don't want people to smoke in public places..lets be smart about this and actually define these "public" places. Some place a non-smoker can go does not automatically make it "public." Some place a smoker can go does not automatically make it "private."