Red Mage Tank

[Demosthenes11]

Spell Interruption rate does absolutely nothing on a mob like tiamat when it's hardly noticable on EM mobs. Duelist's Tabard > warlock's, too bad I've never seen one in 10 beacuidines. Rival Ribbon isnt worth it over duelist's chapeau either, a static mp refresh on a smaller mp pool than normal for a rdm is needed imo.

Also, there is no way in hell I am investing merits into enmity+ as a mage...stupidity because you will not be tanking as much as you will be being a mage.

Think /war would be better off with enmity sword+genbu's shield as well instead of terra's staff. gebu's shield gives fire resist and the enmity is really needed.

I am really looking forward to testing all of this out, will only cost like 30 mil -.-

[Maguspk]

I've seen a party of RDM/NIN tank Tiamat and win. Main RDM is pretty decked out tho, D ring and Dalamatica.

[Immortaldonut]

]start with full damage, and then you take off the highest % first on down.

My Palm ---> My Face

Would be nice if you took the 3 seconds to explain what you mean by this. I only stated what i had heard. I don't know how damage reduction works, and I admit it. I don't really read into damage calculations and the like, because I just don't care enough. If someone points out my misconception and explains it, I am more than receptive to it.

Think /war would be better off with enmity sword+genbu's shield as well instead of terra's staff. gebu's shield gives fire resist and the enmity is really needed.

it's -10 fire resist on the genbu shield and +10 earth

[RKenshin]

As far as the credibility of a RDM tank goes, I've been hearing more and more recently about how well it's worked in many situations.

While I haven't seen much first-hand, I just recently heard how a RDM/NIN was tanking Tiamat on par with a NIN/BRD as far as hate goes. And I'll say with much confidence that NIN/BRD is definately in the top 3 as far as the most hate generated I've seen from a tank.

[Maguspk]

As far as the credibility of a RDM tank goes, I've been hearing more and more recently about how well it's worked in many situations.

While I haven't seen much first-hand, I just recently heard how a RDM/NIN was tanking Tiamat on par with a NIN/BRD as far as hate goes. And I'll say with much confidence that NIN/BRD is definately in the top 3 as far as the most hate generated I've seen from a tank.

Ya RDM/NIN is the buzz it seems lately. Someone should actually do some tests or something. Wish there was some scientific way to approach testing hate in FFXI, like a 3rd party hate meter or something like in WoW

[yrpaine]

rdm/brd? chainspell mazurka at the start and keep hate the whole fight?

[Maguspk]

rdm/brd? chainspell mazurka at the start and keep hate the whole fight?

Do you have no concept of enmity? OK pld 2 hour at start so you don't evar lose hate LOL!

[yrpaine]

rdm/brd? chainspell mazurka at the start and keep hate the whole fight?

Do you have no concept of enmity? OK pld 2 hour at start so you don't evar lose hate LOL!

2 mazukras pull hate off invincible, it was a kind of joke, but they'd still be able to do another mazurka every 15-20 seconds, pld can't do 1/2 an invincible every 15-20 seconds after using invincible 30 times in a row.

[theo]

RDM/PLD is becoming more and more viable too. You lose Provoke but you make up for that with Flash, and then Auto-refresh is icing on the cake. Shield Mastery helps make up for the fact that we have such low Shield skill. And of course there is the incoming PLD update, which makes me wonder how much they will gimp the Sentinel Damage-Mitigation while used as a subjob (if gimped at all).

Of course at the end of the day /PLD doesn't have Utsusemi, which is (probably) the only thing that really makes a difference. Maybe the update to PLD JAs will tip the balance in /PLD's favor, but I'm not exactly betting on it.

[Don Katsu]

There is a linkshell on our server that prefered RDM tanks over PLD and NIN... At first I saw the RDM provoke Nidhogg, I thought she was only pulling it but it continued to attack her while she kept provoking it and swinging that Joyeuse. This same group would also kill Fafnir with 6 people <.<

[Miruka]

rdm/brd? chainspell mazurka at the start and keep hate the whole fight?

Do you have no concept of enmity? OK pld 2 hour at start so you don't evar lose hate LOL!

It was a joke, but half the reason tanking with songs works is because song hate is stupidly stable (and high) and falls away really slowly, if at all. Everything else lacks at least one. Do you?

Immortaldonut: It's just straight addition, but because it's fractions of funny numbers, then rounded down, it's not perfectly exact as listed on the descriptions, so some people thought they should make up ways for the math to still not work and disseminate that as fact. I don't know who did the real tests for everyone else - it might have been that guy mentioned earlier - but I hate to see thorough stuff like that get pushed to the side when it actually appears.

edit, studying chinese at the same time isn't good for grammar apparently

[Darkmessenger]

The Japanese linkshells on our server seem to rely a lot on RDM tanks. I've seen the same linkshell approach Tiamat with a fairly odd tank party: 3 RDM/NINs, a BRD and a WHM.
The RDMs did good, very good. Basically they spam bind and sleep, and I didn't see them loose hate once (which was pretty impressive, the fight took an hour so damage was good and consistent).

Gear seemed to be focussed on HP, enmity and magic defense, and not so much on haste. I can imagine 3 RDMs who know when/how to take hate from eachother, can tank anything with relative ease. Well, longer fights anyway.
I'm guessing all the lolrdmsolo RDM/NINs can go nuts now.

[Kyreth]

The Japanese linkshells on our server seem to rely a lot on RDM tanks. I've seen the same linkshell approach Tiamat with a fairly odd tank party: 3 RDM/NINs, a BRD and a WHM.
The RDMs did good, very good. Basically they spam bind and sleep, and I didn't see them loose hate once (which was pretty impressive, the fight took an hour so damage was good and consistent).

Gear seemed to be focussed on HP, enmity and magic defense, and not so much on haste. I can imagine 3 RDMs who know when/how to take hate from eachother, can tank anything with relative ease. Well, longer fights anyway.
I'm guessing all the lolrdmsolo RDM/NINs can go nuts now.

Not surprised- they're tanking, they're set up to do so, and they're not there so much for damage as simply sticking the monster on them like glue. And I guess it's easier getting the gear up for Red Mages, all things considered.

Even with all the ZAMwhines on "Waah, /NIN is broken", I don't think the /NIN tank is going anywhere anytime soon.

[Carbon]

Oops, yeah... I meant Duelist's Tabard > Warlock's Tabard, and Warlock's Chapeau > Duelist's Chapeau

[Akroma_Seraph]

Oops, yeah... I meant Duelist's Tabard > Warlock's Tabard, and Warlock's Chapeau > Duelist's Chapeau

Am I the only one who thinks when people say things like this they don't know how to use macros? When your casting wear fastcast.. when your not casting use Refresh gear?

Semi Derail:
To continue this... WHM's that say they don't want to lose auto refresh for -emnity.. or mp for -emnity... MACRO's and Gear Swaps PLEASE!!

Getting back on track:
Am I the only person that on Almost every one of my jobs.. wait no all 6, I have a reset macro that changes depending on what I'm doing? MACROS are wonderful.. and with the use of Windower macros... People need to use them more often =/

[Immortaldonut]

Thank you, Miruka. That makes plenty of sense. If they exclusively used integer variables in the coding, it's easy to see where people wanted to make up some equation for how it worked, when really, it was just simple truncation of decimals. kinda lazy :/

The Japanese linkshells on our server seem to rely a lot on RDM tanks. I've seen the same linkshell approach Tiamat with a fairly odd tank party: 3 RDM/NINs, a BRD and a WHM.
The RDMs did good, very good. Basically they spam bind and sleep, and I didn't see them loose hate once (which was pretty impressive, the fight took an hour so damage was good and consistent).

Gear seemed to be focussed on HP, enmity and magic defense, and not so much on haste. I can imagine 3 RDMs who know when/how to take hate from eachother, can tank anything with relative ease. Well, longer fights anyway.
I'm guessing all the lolrdmsolo RDM/NINs can go nuts now.

I have seen this as well (same server: phoenix). Kinda makes me want to try it out.

[Sci]

I have seen this as well (same server: phoenix). Kinda makes me want to try it out.

/DRK onry. Get back to staring at the wall.

[Immortaldonut]

I have seen this as well (same server: phoenix). Kinda makes me want to try it out.

/DRK onry. Get back to staring at the wall.

i hate you

[Ambir]

Oops, yeah... I meant Duelist's Tabard > Warlock's Tabard, and Warlock's Chapeau > Duelist's Chapeau

Am I the only one who thinks when people say things like this they don't know how to use macros? When your casting wear fastcast.. when your not casting use Refresh gear?

Because RDMs in this situation chain cast maybe?

[Demosthenes11]

Oops, yeah... I meant Duelist's Tabard > Warlock's Tabard, and Warlock's Chapeau > Duelist's Chapeau

Am I the only one who thinks when people say things like this they don't know how to use macros? When your casting wear fastcast.. when your not casting use Refresh gear?

Because RDMs in this situation chain cast maybe?

Correct, and you don't want to be blinking every half a second while you are main tanking lol