Maxium Enmity

[juilan]

On my White Mage i currently have -30 Enmity for HNM fights, I am curious if it is possible for me to have any lower Enmity so I can avoid getting drawn in if possible >.<
I am using Nashira Turban, Cleric's body Blessed Mitts, Trooper's Ring, Hedgehog Bomb, Feniri Torque, Blessed Trousers, Blessed Pumps

Is there an enmity cap >.>

[Kwijiboe]

Focusing on only one area of your job causes you to forget all others.

[Scythiroth]

What are you doing to get so much hate? Maybe try relying on regen or something more if you are having hate problems?

[Tonko]

-Enmity is all well and good, but you shouldn't be THAT concearned with it. If you're getting drawn in so much, either you're spamming Curaga + Cure IV, or your tanks suck.

Either way, -enmity isn't the solution to your problems.

[Rammses]

Have your tanks stop subbing WAR.

[Ryko]

Have your tanks stop subbing WAR.

*slams the mat* 1, 2, 3, winner!

(Things like proper bar spells regen are a no brainer so I didn't bother to mention it <_>)

[Julian]

full raven

[Tyche]

Good discussion here from pages 1-4

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=p ... 141170&d=0

[Jg]

I doubt that -30 is the cap even if there is one. For instance, the new drk merit called Muted Soul gives -30 emnity while souleater is active at lvl3. I have it capped, and I notice a huge difference with the ammount of hate I generate now that I have it. If you aren't sacrificing anything important by using -enmity gear in certain slots, it can only help during long fights where poor tanks take too much damage and lose hate easily.

[juilan]

If you aren't sacrificing anything important by using -enmity gear in certain slots, it can only help during long fights where poor tanks take too much damage and lose hate easily.

yea im wondering if i can get any higher for endurance fights to avoid draw in, mp is more useful for curing the poor tank then raising my hp and the weakend slow is a tank killer too, this came up when afew memebers of my shell were talking about novia earring and if 30 was the cap i could get like 50 more mp with etc lol

[RKenshin]

I'm actually not 100% sure of her gear off my head, but a WHM friend of mine has a max of like -60 wearing mostly normal WHM gear . But, most of the time she uses around -40 or so and that's more than enough to get the job done.

What she can get away with during a fight is pretty unbelievable though, personally I've never seen her pull hate outside of near wipes when no one else is left. In the mean time she'll use Benediction's and Curagas, etc, and still never pull hate as a tank PT WHM that never logs off. It's great, lol.

[Tyche]

I have to work extremely hard to pull hate. With merits, i idle at a bit over -30 enmity and cure at just under 30 enmity. If you are still pulling hate around -30 enmity, either A. Your tanks aren't as good as you may thing, or B. You are not as good as you may think. Could also be both.

Vivian goes in to start out, swap in +MND ring after that. I cure in Aristocrat's Coat and Cure Clogs.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2407/gearkb1.jpg

[Maguspk]

smn sub? You lose.

[RKenshin]

Why does SMN sub lose?

More often than any other sub the WHMs in my LS use /SMN at LS events, I don't think there's a single commonly faught HNM in this game where Shining Ruby doesn't benefit the tank PT. That alone is a good enough reason IMO.

The only reasonable explanation for /BLM that comes to mind is Conserve MP, but I'm doubtful it would really save much more (if any) MP over time than /SMN refresh. Typically a WHM isn't casting spells non-stop to begin with (which puts a consistant refresh as a higher benefit), and even when they are they're much lower MP cost on average which just makes the trait it even weaker. Or, at least that all applies for the experiences with in my LS.

And yeah, also agree with Tyche's statement where if you're pulling hate with over -30 Enmity then there's probably something wrong with your tanks/strategy.

[Tonko]

Don't turn this into a /SMN vs. /BLM thread.

It's been beat to death elsewhere.

This is your only warning.

[RKenshin]

I always used to skip over those topics and laugh, don't know why I feel a need to debate it now. The Hauberk thread lost its sparkle so I suppose I'm looking for an outlet.

[Awoir]

/BLM wins for one reason

[yrpaine]

trooper's ring swap in after mp ring, ftw -4 enmity

[Koyangi]

haste ftw, recasts on haste spell, regens, erase, and other -nas can really help. with pld/nin's you dont really need more than 16-20 -enmity. I run -16 and it hasnt failed me with anything so far, whm shouldnt be curing too much with smart pld/nin working together anyway.

[Maguspk]

haste ftw, recasts on haste spell, regens, erase, and other -nas can really help. with pld/nin's you dont really need more than 16-20 -enmity. I run -16 and it hasnt failed me with anything so far, whm shouldnt be curing too much with smart pld/nin working together anyway.

If you don't swap in/out haste gear you're not doing it right. lol j/k, but seriously only way is the swap. swap swap swap!