House

[Qalbert]

anyone else think Cuddy was too much of a bitch this episode? I mean the dinner thing was just mean

[Eaglestrike]

anyone else think Cuddy was too much of a bitch this episode? I mean the dinner thing was just mean

And House's plan wasn't?

[Qalbert]

I'm not saying it was totally unjustified, but it just seemed uncharacteristically coldhearted for her.

[Eaglestrike]

Not necessarily. For a while the way it worked was that Wilson always gave in to House when he played his games and Cuddy would bite back. That's what originally made her awesome (though I don't think this was until S2-3) is that she fucked with House and got him on a few occasions.

[Qalbert]

oh yeah true, haven't seen the older seasons in a while

[Maguspk]

I felt really bad for House during those scenes. I definitely wanted to punch the stupid Cuddy looking bitch in the face when she said 'She told me I should offer you a turkey sandwich lololl' Also, I hate this Lucas guy, maybe it's because I never knew him before the whole Cuddy + Lucas thing (I've missed a bunch of episodes, I don't watch every week) but he's the most unlikable character ever, I don't see him lasting long whatsoever.

[Warudo Ecksu]

I liked him when he first appeared on the show. It's kinda weird to see him dating Cuddy. It won't last. I found a video of the first 3 mins of next week's episode if anyone wants to check it out. Got some Wilson action goin on.

Spoiler: show

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b155383_see_first_three_minutes_of_houses.html

[Qalbert]

so its like a House version of the Scrubs His/her/their story type episode?

[Maguspk]

Did he shoot an old bag of potatoe chips? I don't get it.

[Warudo Ecksu]

Guess you'll just have to wait till next week to find out

[Qalbert]

BUM BUM BUMMMMMMM

[Maguspk]

the suspense oh god it's killing me. I actually thought it had some significance I was missing since I don't know the guy but apparently he's a recurring character.

[Sylvrdragon]

Except, you know, the Hyppocratic Oath. Cameron was perfectly correct and the view point of not acknowledging the human life is wrong by the definition of how they are supposed to operate. House may seem cool and edgy but Cameron was definitely correct in her analysis. Ignoring the life altogether, which he admits to, is pretty much the opposite of what should be going on, the fact that he is fortunate to solve the cases despite his view doesn't make it right.

Seriously? Did you even READ that before you linked it?

I swear by Apollo the Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods, and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art–if they desire to learn it–without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken the oath according to medical law, but to no one else.

I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep myself holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

First off, this version (and the even OLDER version) of the oath isn't even used anymore (for reasons that I hope are obvious). This is the current version:

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Even though this version still isn't quite to my likings, it is worlds better than what came before it. You may note that nowhere does it say that you are required to care. Hell, if you ask me, House has MANY times acted in the patients own best interests, even when it was explicitly against their will. As such, your attacks on House's ethics are ill founded.

[Zilong]

House fucks with the patients' privacy and family/other relationship all the fucking time though.

[fishstix]

I felt really bad for House during those scenes. I definitely wanted to punch the stupid Cuddy looking bitch in the face when she said 'She told me I should offer you a turkey sandwich lololl' Also, I hate this Lucas guy, maybe it's because I never knew him before the whole Cuddy + Lucas thing (I've missed a bunch of episodes, I don't watch every week) but he's the most unlikable character ever, I don't see him lasting long whatsoever.

Yeah Cuddy was pretty horrible, I felt House was genuinely hurt, even if he didn't admit it. I don't get how she could pull that and then choose not to play the game anymore, unless she was lying about that part too.

[Maguspk]

stuff.

Evidently you need to read the oath in it's entirety and then realize that House breaks parts of it on the regular. There isn't an argument here.

[Sylvrdragon]

Evidently you need to read the oath in it's entirety and then realize that House breaks parts of it on the regular. There isn't an argument here.

I think you need to go back and read the posts that led up to this one from the start. The Oath doesn't say you have to like your patients. It doesn't say you have to respect them or even give a shit about it (I'll concede that it RECOMMENDS warmth, sympathy and understanding, but these are in no way obligations). It merely says that you are to act in the patient's best interests. (context is important)

As such (and pay attention, because this is/was my main point) Cameron was projecting her irrelevant values onto House and Chase, which is not OK.

I'll give you that House tends to tread in the gray area as often as not, but you must also remember that in his field, to do his job well, it is usually necessary and justified, especially with the patients that are stupid, lying, or crazy (which seems encompass most of them).

I really don't feel like putting anymore work into this argument, so go ahead and assume you've won if that will help you sleep at night. It isn't going to change that Cameron was a whiny bitch.

[Serif]

Episode tonight was brilliant.

[Eticket]

In regards to the previous discussion, tonight's episode showed how that emotional distance can be useful in some cases. Wilson was too attached to his patient to nail down the obvious conditions first and jumped straight to the crazy conclusion. On the other hand, the episode also showed how his compassion is helpful in the case of the grandfather that he saved in the framing story.

[GRT]

I love House, and each week the show gives me a new reason why I do.