6 man Cerberus and Jorm (on Page 7)

[Beckwin]

I like to melee on RNG. Max melee distance for "normal" size mobs is 3.4, for example, puks flies imps weapons etc. On larger mobs, such as Trolls and Jnuns, you can get back to 4.X.

[RKenshin]

Boo, I missed my chance to key in.

Even though it's pretty much proved already, there was a detailed post about this on I think the KI RNG forum like a year ago (shortly after the plugin was released).

Many RNGs would try to find exact values of the distance needed and would say stuff like "Best damage using a Gun is always 8.7" and then other RNGs would have different results. In the end, they proved what was just done in this post... That windower counts the range between you and the center of the mob, while the game counts the range between you and the body of the mob.

It makes perfect sense really if you think about it. If the sweet spot for throwing weapons is at like 1.0, how would you be able to reach that spot on mobs like Tiamat where the closest you can get to it's center is limited by it's huge body?

[aurik]

Also for the "outside of gates but inside ululation" question, keep in mind that some AoEs are centered on the target, not on the mob itself.

This is readily apparent if you're fighting JoFaith and someone barely doesn't get out of breakga range. You can be 35+ units from Faith and receive the effect of petrification, because your friend who is 15 units from you is the center of the effect.

Oddly enough, Mijin Gakure will always hit its primary target but the center of effect is the mob who uses it. In Dynamis-Xarcabard, when we time nuke the ninja from behind the platform, one black mage always eats it and everyone else is untouched.

[Beckwin]

Maybe actions from a Mob originate from its center while actions from a player hit a mob on the outside?

I dunno, 20.1 seems to be the magic number for being out of range of just about everything.

[shat]

That windower counts the range between you and the center of the mob, while the game counts the range between you and the body of the mob.

this isn't entirely right because it doesn't scale correctly. melee distance on wyrms is like 3.9. melee distance on wyverns and even stuff like atomic clusters is back to 5. when you back up to the edge on the latter mobs, you're swinging your weapon into nothing but air.

[Zalius]

you get a boost to casting distance if you own a ridill

true story

[Khamsin]

That windower counts the range between you and the center of the mob, while the game counts the range between you and the body of the mob.

this isn't entirely right because it doesn't scale correctly. melee distance on wyrms is like 3.9. melee distance on wyverns and even stuff like atomic clusters is back to 5. when you back up to the edge on the latter mobs, you're swinging your weapon into nothing but air.

Maybe the actual point is elevated, such that on wyrms its higher since they are taller, so you need to be closer to reach up there, and on small mobs, its low enough you can stand further back.

[Lockecole]

you get a boost to casting distance if you own a ridill

true story

Pics or it never happened.

[exceed]

ranger tip: stand 4.9 distance away from fafnir/nidhogg, its the most distance that u can get without it moving if you get hate

[Sci]

this isn't entirely right because it doesn't scale correctly. melee distance on wyrms is like 3.9. melee distance on wyverns and even stuff like atomic clusters is back to 5. when you back up to the edge on the latter mobs, you're swinging your weapon into nothing but air.

I'm pretty sure it's just poor design. Have you ever tried meleeing a behemoth mob being kited around? It can be a real pain to actually get some swings in without gravity. Keep in mind, wyrms and behemoths aren't nice round circles, so I'd wager the min/max distance varies depending on the overall shape.

[Rocl]

ranger tip: stand 4.9 distance away from fafnir/nidhogg, its the most distance that u can get without it moving if you get hate

Protip: Getting hit with the wyrms tail causes less damage than getting hit by it's face. Make sure your tanks line up behind it and kite to use this to your fullest advantage.

[Zalius]

ranger tip: stand 4.9 distance away from fafnir/nidhogg, its the most distance that u can get without it moving if you get hate

Protip: Getting hit with the wyrms tail causes less damage than getting hit by it's face. Make sure your tanks line up behind it and kite to use this to your fullest advantage.

if your wars go /blu and melee fafnir from behind with ridill they are UNSTOPPABLE K OK

[Khamsin]

ranger tip: stand 4.9 distance away from fafnir/nidhogg, its the most distance that u can get without it moving if you get hate

Protip: Getting hit with the wyrms tail causes less damage than getting hit by it's face. Make sure your tanks line up behind it and kite to use this to your fullest advantage.

if your wars go /blu and melee fafnir from behind with ridill they are UNSTOPPABLE K OK

Frightful Roar works really well on Fafnir, too.

[Rammses]

How is distance plugin not cheating? It gives you a distinct gameplay advantage over people who follow the ToS. Not that I care much if you people cheat. Just don't understand the not cheating argument.

[Ace-o-fire]

It's nothing you cant do. I mean it's nothing you cant do with a calculator and paper.

[Lordwafik]

another "The more you know <shootingstar>" : black magic has a shorter casting range than white magic.

[Delekii]

Go NIN/BRD if you have to go NIN at all.. but shadows are pretty much a waste on JoL. More than 50% of his spells are AoE, and hate can be regained by curing when they arent anyway.

Yes, but Concussive Oscillation and Primal Drill are absorbed by shadows, then avoiding knock back, Gravity and Bind add effects. You still have other AoE and spells to build some more hate with cures on PLD/NIN.

It's not needed though since Love doesn't melee if you're tanking it from its border, so i guess /WAR is ok too (that's how we did our first Love and went smoothly).

You can be outside of the range of all of JoL's AoE tp moves as the tank. Move as far back as JoL will allow without moving too, and you are safe from TP.

[Zetah]

Sorry but I was very disappointed when I saw you didn't take it to 0 with 6, because Cerb is pretty easy before 25%. Nothing special. If you did do that it would've been worth making a topic for.

[Machazareel]

this isn't entirely right because it doesn't scale correctly. melee distance on wyrms is like 3.9. melee distance on wyverns and even stuff like atomic clusters is back to 5. when you back up to the edge on the latter mobs, you're swinging your weapon into nothing but air.

I'm pretty sure it's just poor design. Have you ever tried meleeing a behemoth mob being kited around? It can be a real pain to actually get some swings in without gravity. Keep in mind, wyrms and behemoths aren't nice round circles, so I'd wager the min/max distance varies depending on the overall shape.

If at all possible, just run slightly in front of the kited mob. You'll be able to hit it pretty regularly, then. The reason you can't actually hit a moving mob from behind is because what you see on your screen in relation to positions isn't what the game perceives. Slight lag, basically. Using that to your benefit by running slightly ahead of the mob generally lets you hit it pretty often.

[Linsivi]

Sorry but I was very disappointed when I saw you didn't take it to 0 with 6, because Cerb is pretty easy before 25%. Nothing special. If you did do that it would've been worth making a topic for.

Then go do it.

I had a ton of fun, figured I'd make a thread about it.