Ethics question about HNM MPK

[Ravenlokk]

There have been ocassions in the past where a notorious LS on our server MPK'd a JP ls after they claimed fafnir (PLD Cure + Invincible = Flail) and wiped most of the JP shell we claimed it after they died, and slept it and held it until they recovered. After they recovered, we added their LS leader to take claim back. The MPK'ing LS called started flaming us for "sucking jp cock" for making a moral decision about a claim we didnt earn legitimately. Let's see if you guys can guess who im talking about. lulz.

[yrpaine]

I was just joking. Ridill doesnt even increase your xp/h by something significant

unless there's 3 of them and 2 bards

[Mugmug]

The problem with Titan Server is that we have a more or less constant Wildcard at every HNM camp. HEnterprise is a shell that sells abjurations and rare/ex endgame gear for gil, and more or less bots every claim very blatantly.

You never know what they're going to do, sometimes they try to MPK, and it's almost guaranteed they'll try to steal claim. IMO, the reason things are the way they are on Titan is because of them, nobody wants them to get claim so everyone just spams for it.

Legacy has lost all honor, as far as I'm concerned. Even when another (legit) shell legitimately claims, Legacy attemps to flail Faffy. They're more or less on the level of RMT to me, but we won't MPK them or try to steal their claims even though they do ours. For whatever reason, they've resorted to RMT tactics.

Just protect yourself from them with /blockaid and you shouldn't have a problem, but if you do, call a GM and note the exact time the incident occured, the GM will need it to look in the log. Enough calls and they'll get the message.

Oh please, Legacy has never flailed anyone besides HE since they were the ones who started the BS on Titan.

The one and only time anything has happened was when a LS wiped, which turned into a voke fest. We ended up claiming first, and Fafnir was red to us. 10 seconds later we see Invincible go off, and we got flailed, then you guys had claim. One of our BRDs mazurkad to keep it from flailing again, but by then you guys had hate.

I spoke to your LS leaders and explained the situation (we thought YOU guys MPKd us intentionally. After all, you did cure + invincible) and we both agreed it was pretty much a shitty day since multiple LS's were trying to MPK.

That was the only case of any drama with the two linkshells. A lot of ex-JR and Karasu members are friends, and we have no reason to intentionally cause any BS. So please get your facts straight before you talk shit.

[Aodh]

The problem with Titan Server is that we have a more or less constant Wildcard at every HNM camp. HEnterprise is a shell that sells abjurations and rare/ex endgame gear for gil, and more or less bots every claim very blatantly.

You never know what they're going to do, sometimes they try to MPK, and it's almost guaranteed they'll try to steal claim. IMO, the reason things are the way they are on Titan is because of them, nobody wants them to get claim so everyone just spams for it.

Legacy has lost all honor, as far as I'm concerned. Even when another (legit) shell legitimately claims, Legacy attemps to flail Faffy. They're more or less on the level of RMT to me, but we won't MPK them or try to steal their claims even though they do ours. For whatever reason, they've resorted to RMT tactics.

Just protect yourself from them with /blockaid and you shouldn't have a problem, but if you do, call a GM and note the exact time the incident occured, the GM will need it to look in the log. Enough calls and they'll get the message.

Oh please, Legacy has never flailed anyone besides HE since they were the ones who started the BS on Titan.

The one and only time anything has happened was when a LS wiped, which turned into a voke fest. We ended up claiming first, and Fafnir was red to us. 10 seconds later we see Invincible go off, and we got flailed, then you guys had claim. One of our BRDs mazurkad to keep it from flailing again, but by then you guys had hate.

I spoke to your LS leaders and explained the situation (we thought YOU guys MPKd us intentionally. After all, you did cure + invincible) and we both agreed it was pretty much a shitty day since multiple LS's were trying to MPK.

That was the only case of any drama with the two linkshells. A lot of ex-JR and Karasu members are friends, and we have no reason to intentionally cause any BS. So please get your facts straight before you talk shit.

We used our invincibles at around 80% and 60% to try to get hate stabilized. I really wasn't aware that a BRD running around spamming Mazurka at 10% was to prevent flail. We ended up having to manaburn kill it because it would just run off after someone else every time it woke up.

On the note of the second bolded part, when we learned it was the leader of Legacy that was playing the BRD in question at the time we were extra pissed, because we did have a good relationship with the JR members within Legacy. (For those not up on Titan drama, Karasu had a faction break off and attempt to destroy the main shell to become a new shell Relentless. Relentless had members banned almost every wave of bannings for 3rd party tool use, even the leader who had 5/5 Armada. Relentless ran for a while under a new leader, then the new leaders broke the shell and took their friends and merged with JollyRogers to for Legacy. Karasu and JR have always been on very good terms, while for obvious reasons, Karasu and Relentless were not.) The time when you had claim, the majority of the pit had hate too. Claim at this point means nothing unless you can hold it and engage. We got claim, slept, positioned, built hate, then battled. Trying to justify mazurka at 10% is just BS. It was a bad day, but don't try to come off righteous with what happened.

<3 Muggles.

[Fng]

I'm sitting at strike two. (1 for BST mpking RMT year or so ago and 1 for Hampty-zurka a month or so ago)..

The fuck if I am losing my account over Fafnir / Nidhogg. When I do go out it will be vs aslkfshaljljkse

Most people on Titan that start mazurking get the temp ban stick pretty quickly. If they don't they got lucky and will get caught eventually.

[Leafar]

If you're unable to manage your alliance and stay alive, you shouldn't be camping.

We only have this problem with one other shell fucking with us after we claim. We keep a pretty amicable working relationship with the rest of the shells. I don't like the implication you've made, as it implies a slight to our ability. We generally carry a more than sufficient amount of people to camps, it's how we manage the number of claims that we do. The lion's share of the last set of NA Nidhogg kills went to my shell. We aren't morons. When we have 5-6 outside claimers, they can't have /blockaid up until after we invite them into the kill alliance and this makes them prime targets for a source of hate generation when assholes decide to MPK us. I don't see a solution to that, as it's pretty easy for a shell who consistently tries to MPK us to pick out our outside claimers and cure bomb them.

I didnt finish reading the whole thread but, if you get MPK alot set up your out claimer in a pt with /blockaid on and keep one person with no block aid (the pt leader) at the top of Aery to accept alliance invite. since you have more then enough ppl to kill.

[Mugmug]

The problem with Titan Server is that we have a more or less constant Wildcard at every HNM camp. HEnterprise is a shell that sells abjurations and rare/ex endgame gear for gil, and more or less bots every claim very blatantly.

You never know what they're going to do, sometimes they try to MPK, and it's almost guaranteed they'll try to steal claim. IMO, the reason things are the way they are on Titan is because of them, nobody wants them to get claim so everyone just spams for it.

Legacy has lost all honor, as far as I'm concerned. Even when another (legit) shell legitimately claims, Legacy attemps to flail Faffy. They're more or less on the level of RMT to me, but we won't MPK them or try to steal their claims even though they do ours. For whatever reason, they've resorted to RMT tactics.

Just protect yourself from them with /blockaid and you shouldn't have a problem, but if you do, call a GM and note the exact time the incident occured, the GM will need it to look in the log. Enough calls and they'll get the message.

Oh please, Legacy has never flailed anyone besides HE since they were the ones who started the BS on Titan.

The one and only time anything has happened was when a LS wiped, which turned into a voke fest. We ended up claiming first, and Fafnir was red to us. 10 seconds later we see Invincible go off, and we got flailed, then you guys had claim. One of our BRDs mazurkad to keep it from flailing again, but by then you guys had hate.

I spoke to your LS leaders and explained the situation (we thought YOU guys MPKd us intentionally. After all, you did cure + invincible) and we both agreed it was pretty much a shitty day since multiple LS's were trying to MPK.

That was the only case of any drama with the two linkshells. A lot of ex-JR and Karasu members are friends, and we have no reason to intentionally cause any BS. So please get your facts straight before you talk shit.

We used our invincibles at around 80% and 60% to try to get hate stabilized. I really wasn't aware that a BRD running around spamming Mazurka at 10% was to prevent flail. We ended up having to manaburn kill it because it would just run off after someone else every time it woke up.

On the note of the second bolded part, when we learned it was the leader of Legacy that was playing the BRD in question at the time we were extra pissed, because we did have a good relationship with the JR members within Legacy. (For those not up on Titan drama, Karasu had a faction break off and attempt to destroy the main shell to become a new shell Relentless. Relentless had members banned almost every wave of bannings for 3rd party tool use, even the leader who had 5/5 Armada. Relentless ran for a while under a new leader, then the new leaders broke the shell and took their friends and merged with JollyRogers to for Legacy. Karasu and JR have always been on very good terms, while for obvious reasons, Karasu and Relentless were not.) The time when you had claim, the majority of the pit had hate too. Claim at this point means nothing unless you can hold it and engage. We got claim, slept, positioned, built hate, then battled. Trying to justify mazurka at 10% is just BS. It was a bad day, but don't try to come off righteous with what happened.

<3 Muggles.

I should've been more clear, I'm not denying that Zygot didn't try to mazurka at the end, because he did. It was under the impressing that you guys flailed us, and tried to pass it off as "lag". I forget which PLD it was, but one of your PLDs did cure us, and we did see Invincible go off (I think it was Jenday who did Invin or some other PLD). After we got flailed you had it, so from my PoV it looked like an intentional flail.

When I spoke to Muze I did explain that Zygot mazurka'd pissed off thinking you flailed us, and did my best to patch things. It really was a shitty day, because another LS got flailed too My original post wasn't to justify what happened for that 1 day, it was to laugh at Anja for calling us a "MPK LS". If we we're an MPK LS we def would've done more by now than that 1 Aery. I think it's safe to assume more than just one LS there did something messed up that day.

Legacy hasn't even MPKd HE now that I think about it (last time was in JR), and we've never flailed Particle/BE. So Anja is making some pretty outrageous claims.

Like I said though, besides that one day we haven't had drama really and I think it's pretty shitty to say such things esp someone coming from Outkasts. Hypocrite anyone? Yes Anja, I do remember your Outkast days. I remember when you participated in flailing at Fafnir on JR and other shells for no reason (it ended up flailing YOU guys though, remember?). I'm not here to throw insults, but coming from you this is hilarious.

So please stop making outrageous claims and starting drama on a public forum. If you really have an issue with anyone Legacy please send a tell to an officer.

[Melchiah]

I really wasn't trying to start a drama thread here, that's why I did my best not to sling names around. I was just wanting to present a situation and see what the rest of the community had to say about it, and what the "right thing to do" might be in the eyes of the rest of the community.

I mean really... the example I used was a Fafnir now a few months old. Whoopdeegoddamned-doo. He pops every day. I just used that as an example for the question I was asking, which can be applied to any HNM, not just Fafhogg. To reiterate, the issue in question was "If you see a shell get MPKed over a legit claim by known assholios, what do you do?"

[Tofs]

We used our invincibles at around 80% and 60% to try to get hate stabilized. I really wasn't aware that a BRD running around spamming Mazurka at 10% was to prevent flail. We ended up having to manaburn kill it because it would just run off after someone else every time it woke up.

On the note of the second bolded part, when we learned it was the leader of Legacy that was playing the BRD in question at the time we were extra pissed, because we did have a good relationship with the JR members within Legacy. (For those not up on Titan drama, Karasu had a faction break off and attempt to destroy the main shell to become a new shell Relentless. Relentless had members banned almost every wave of bannings for 3rd party tool use, even the leader who had 5/5 Armada. Relentless ran for a while under a new leader, then the new leaders broke the shell and took their friends and merged with JollyRogers to for Legacy. Karasu and JR have always been on very good terms, while for obvious reasons, Karasu and Relentless were not.) The time when you had claim, the majority of the pit had hate too. Claim at this point means nothing unless you can hold it and engage. We got claim, slept, positioned, built hate, then battled. Trying to justify mazurka at 10% is just BS. It was a bad day, but don't try to come off righteous with what happened.

<3 Muggles.

Sooo curing Someone + Invincible is righteous in ur books Aodh? All Zygot wus doing wus trying to keep claim since it wus a fuckfest and 2 ls had previusly wiped. I agree with you it wus a bad day but dont try to come off righteous either with ur Cure + invincible to "stabilish" hate

And anja tell Kede she still owns me hume female lev 60ish rse . The "borrow" has been going for quite a while

[Larrieux]

If you're in the shower in prison, drop the soap and reach down to pick it up meanwhile 300lbs dude named Buba is behind you then getting MPK at HNM is about the same with less lubrication. :wink:

[Aodh]

We used our invincibles at around 80% and 60% to try to get hate stabilized.

Sooo curing Someone + Invincible is righteous in ur books Aodh? All Zygot wus doing wus trying to keep claim since it wus a fuckfest and 2 ls had previusly wiped. I agree with you it wus a bad day but dont try to come off righteous either with ur Cure + invincible to "stabilish" hate

They weren't used until after we engaged. We slept it, positioned, voke/flash then it took off after someone else when it woke, so we used the first one then. The second one was later when people were kiting it. Sorry, but it wasn't us.

[Takedown3]

shell 1: gets claim legitely(laff)

shell 2: mpk's shell 1 until wipe

shell 2: partially wipes and loses claim

shell 3(me): we take that shit when it goes white and get more ridills

[Anja]

I never participated in MPK as a part of Outkasts. I am essentially the person that killed the shell, though. I was only in Outkasts at the end of their run as a second-rate HNM shell, not when they used questionable tactics like Mug mentioned.

Unless you consider 4 hour long ground King fights questionable tactics. I question those tactics now <.<

And a lot more than just that once Legacy members have been seen curing other shells and casting Mazurka for hate. In general, however, those are the Legacy members that were part of Relentless.

And that was Anger playing Zygot that day? Damn. He wasn't just casting mazurka a few times, he was running around Aery spamming it. Faffy wouldn't stand still.

Funniest faffy in a long time though.

Anger tanking Nid backward was good too. "I'm too good to parry or use shield! Bite my ass Nid!"

[Villian]

Oh the dramas how i miss thee...

Edit: /wave @ mug

[Zanz L. Barre The 3rd]

shell 1: gets claim legitely(Because SE RMT Omega Red Elite Battle Squad is taking care as we speak.)

shell 2: mpk's shell 1 until wipe AND HOW

shell 2: partially wipes and loses claim (This is where you get the "o shit" face goin')

shell 3(me): we take that shit when it goes white and get more ridills (Because swinging 2-3 times > looking like an asshat)

[Rarag]

There have been ocassions in the past where a notorious LS on our server MPK'd a JP ls after they claimed fafnir (PLD Cure + Invincible = Flail) and wiped most of the JP shell we claimed it after they died, and slept it and held it until they recovered. After they recovered, we added their LS leader to take claim back. The MPK'ing LS called started flaming us for "sucking jp cock" for making a moral decision about a claim we didnt earn legitimately. Let's see if you guys can guess who im talking about. lulz.

This is a tuffy.... I give up, hints plz

[Tofs]

They weren't used until after we engaged. We slept it, positioned, voke/flash then it took off after someone else when it woke, so we used the first one then. The second one was later when people were kiting it. Sorry, but it wasn't us.

Yeah ur righteous and only wanted to keep hate after you guys already had claim yepyep. As usual ur ls did nothing huh? thats why the other ls got flailed and you guys magickly had claim? Anyone could have flailed Eclipse and seeing you guys had it red right after they died whos top 1 contender? Sry it wusunt us either so lets stop posting about mpkshells?

[Vekta]

hmmm Relentless had people banned at every wave? now thats bullshit after the first set of bannings we lost -noone- to bans. i seem to remember your shell having least 1 person perma banned. having said that i really have no problems with anyone in Karasu, im just sick to death of this retarded shit slinging event all the damn time.

[Melchiah]

No one gives a flying fuck about Relentless, not even Jesus. Nor does anyone give a flying fuck about who MPKed and cherry-picked who at last months Fafhogg camps... christ GTFO yourselves. The point here was to talk about ethics in given situations, not to call names nor point fingers, so take all that shit and file it away somewhere unpleasant.

[Tofs]

But you do give a fuck for BE huh?

Now onto ur question i believe its situation dependent. Althought Titan's aery i believe is in a somehow middle stance between a very civilized place and a complete mpkfest that probably being the fact that noone likes HE ^^

But there have been occasion where linkshells have given claim back and given drops for not rightful kills.