Thief Gear Equips

[Okuza]

If you're going to switch from talking about HNM/gods/etc to THF in XP, that's something different. The problem isn't dumb THFs, it's expensive gear and dumb parties. It costs a ton to gear a THF nicely for XP. The other aspect is that the more chaotic the fight, the worse a THF does. Burn parties are chaotic.

Average WAR or MNK is sooo much nicer than average THF simply because of these two factors. They do good with cheap gear and chaos has no impact on their performance. A THF needs a good party and then also good gear to compete with an average WAR or MNK.

If you're fishing from the LFG pool, you have to build success out of whatever you get. Chances are that's not going to be a blau+sk THF in Homam. Chances are it's not even going to have a Blau -- likely just a Harpe at best and no haste. THF isn't a job that can compete with just average gear. Hence, you only invite a THF you know very well or none at all.

[Viq]

I'll be sure to let Kyoya know you're playing his bard badly.

Go right ahead.

Better than your "I don't overwrite bard's lullaby with sleep II" at camp RDM

There's something seriously wrong with your BRD, melee, or both if you need SleepII in merit pts.

[Michaera]

I'll be sure to let Kyoya know you're playing his bard badly.

Go right ahead.

Better than your "I don't overwrite bard's lullaby with sleep II" at camp RDM

There's something seriously wrong with your BRD, melee, or both if you need SleepII in merit pts.

Pulling 3+ mobs in the Mire at a time and you want a fly to sleep with claim so nobody steals it. That's usually when I see sleep II. More a convenience than necessity.

[Lordwafik]

I'll be sure to let Kyoya know you're playing his bard badly.

Go right ahead.

Better than your "I don't overwrite bard's lullaby with sleep II" at camp RDM

There's something seriously wrong with your BRD, melee, or both if you need SleepII in merit pts.

or they are sleeping more than 2 mobs at once.

[Viq]

I'll be sure to let Kyoya know you're playing his bard badly.

Go right ahead.

Better than your "I don't overwrite bard's lullaby with sleep II" at camp RDM

There's something seriously wrong with your BRD, melee, or both if you need SleepII in merit pts.

or they are sleeping more than 2 mobs at once.

With merits and gear it's entirely possible to rotate Lullabies with near zero recast. If someone can't juggle a couple sleeps then I seriously wonder who they maintain the mental capacity to continue breathing. On top of that, the original quote was about sleepII over Lullaby, and the only reason for that is to keep claim on multiple mobs at once. When it's so crowded that claiming mobs this way is an issue then it's a pretty safe bet that there's faster exp to be had elsewhere.

[Eaglestrike]

If you're going to switch from talking about HNM/gods/etc to THF in XP, that's something different. The problem isn't dumb THFs, it's expensive gear and dumb parties. It costs a ton to gear a THF nicely for XP. The other aspect is that the more chaotic the fight, the worse a THF does. Burn parties are chaotic.

Average WAR or MNK is sooo much nicer than average THF simply because of these two factors. They do good with cheap gear and chaos has no impact on their performance. A THF needs a good party and then also good gear to compete with an average WAR or MNK.

If you're fishing from the LFG pool, you have to build success out of whatever you get. Chances are that's not going to be a blau+sk THF in Homam. Chances are it's not even going to have a Blau -- likely just a Harpe at best and no haste. THF isn't a job that can compete with just average gear. Hence, you only invite a THF you know very well or none at all.

Most of this is true, but chaotic doesn't hurt a thief *that* much. Especially with TParty I can gauge who is going to have hate for the next 5-15s and plan my JA's accordingly.

A thief takes work + gear, but has a very high potential. But the chance of there being a thief who knows what he's doing and has the LS to get him the gear is insanely small.

[Zilong]

I'll be sure to let Kyoya know you're playing his bard badly.

Go right ahead.

Better than your "I don't overwrite bard's lullaby with sleep II" at camp RDM

There's something seriously wrong with your BRD, melee, or both if you need SleepII in merit pts.

or they are sleeping more than 2 mobs at once.

With merits and gear it's entirely possible to rotate Lullabies with near zero recast. If someone can't juggle a couple sleeps then I seriously wonder who they maintain the mental capacity to continue breathing. On top of that, the original quote was about sleepII over Lullaby, and the only reason for that is to keep claim on multiple mobs at once. When it's so crowded that claiming mobs this way is an issue then it's a pretty safe bet that there's faster exp to be had elsewhere.

God forbid my lullabies gets resisted by the mamools, because it's entirely impossible for that to happens right?

I'm sorry that kyo's BRD doesn't have any AF2 pieces or any of that fancy shit that "The Best NA BRD on Sylph" has, and pardon me for not having any merit in lullaby recast, I mean everyone join merit parties because they have all their merit capped right?

I just feel like having 2-3 mobs at camp, I find it more fun to have a fuckload of mob on camp, but it does become an issue when the RDM doesn't help sleeping anything.

Let's face it, with more than 2 mobs at camp, the melee isn't gonna kill things in the order I sleep them 100% of the time, and occassionally, lullaby would wore before they get to it, would it really kill the RDM to toss a few Sleep II on the mob that has been on the camp for a while?

And why are we discussing about barding, I thought this topic is about THF.

[Viq]

With merits and gear it's entirely possible to rotate Lullabies with near zero recast. If someone can't juggle a couple sleeps then I seriously wonder who they maintain the mental capacity to continue breathing. On top of that, the original quote was about sleepII over Lullaby, and the only reason for that is to keep claim on multiple mobs at once. When it's so crowded that claiming mobs this way is an issue then it's a pretty safe bet that there's faster exp to be had elsewhere.

God forbid my lullabies gets resisted by the mamools, because it's entirely impossible for that to happens right?

I'm sorry that kyo's BRD doesn't have any AF2 pieces or any of that fancy shit that "The Best NA BRD on Sylph" has, and pardon me for not having any merit in lullaby recast, I mean everyone join merit parties because they have all their merit capped right?

I just feel like having 2-3 mobs at camp, I find it more fun to have a fuckload of mob on camp, but it does become an issue when the RDM doesn't help sleeping anything.

Let's face it, with more than 2 mobs at camp, the melee isn't gonna kill things in the order I sleep them 100% of the time, and occassionally, lullaby would wore before they get to it, would it really kill the RDM to toss a few Sleep II on the mob that has been on the camp for a while?

And why are we discussing about barding, I thought this topic is about THF.

I'm honored someone, even jokingly, would still reffer to me as the best 8)

EDIT: holy quote pyramid

[Gustfaint]

Well this might be a good place to put it. So im wondering, Ziska's > Staurobow+1 for THF doesnt it? Just a random equip question out there

[Eaglestrike]

You need your bolts to LAND and QUICKLY. +rng acc and low delay is all that really matters.

[Baha]

Eh, I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but was reluctant to post it in the "post your gearz" thread, maybe a bit of a nub question.

WS earrings:
Say you have access to Pixie, Minuet, Brutal and whatever else is on the AH.
Do you go with a combo including brutal, as is most popular with other melee (minuet/brutal seems to outdo pixie/brutal in this respect). Or, do you go for reliable stats instead of a +proc rate and use minuet/pixie?

Used the second setup mostly, until a couple months ago, and now I'm leaning somewhat towards minuet/brutal. Pretty confident that it's the best combo for splitting, but pixie/minuet will pull closer for SA+WS.

Some input on this would be nice, haven't been able to confidently make up my mind about it, even though it's probably a marginal difference either way. :3

[Quixotic]

For SAWS or SATAWS I use pixie/brutal, for TAWS i generally use waetoto(Taru RSE +2str)/Brutal. My brutal earring never comes off unless I use Assassin's Charge, and in that case I use Pixie/Waetoto.

[Eaglestrike]

Brutal/Pixie. I do brutal/ethereal atm cause no pixie.