Hydra Haubert

[Kainen]

Let's see... Excellence on Hades is the shell I was a part of and designed the system for.

lmfao go no further

aurik don't be an ignorant ass. fact of the matter remains excellence was dominant and legit for a very long time before stan showed his true colors. wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

[Izzy]

wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

and what are you doing?

[Judai]

I'm not dictating the rules. Obviously, the people in their LS are not ALL happy about this decision. I'm quite simply pointing out that having an Open LS does not mean you have to be stupid on lotting logic. Dear lord.

Who are you to determine what's "being stupid"?

Let's look at the poll. 178 PLD to 7 WAR

Thier being stupid in their choice to let a WAR lot on a PLD item. At this point, you are just being stupid too. Who am I to say that tho, right?

[aurik]

Let's see... Excellence on Hades is the shell I was a part of and designed the system for.

lmfao go no further

aurik don't be an ignorant ass. fact of the matter remains excellence was dominant and legit for a very long time before stan showed his true colors. wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

legit? rofl. how dominant do you think your shell would have been if you weren't paying off all your scum members with loot from botted claims?

[Kainen]

congrats on your LS RUN DYNAMIS. wow you are so fucking thickheaded its unbe-fucking-leavable

i never said it was a dynamis-only shell. i think open shells like that are hurtful to the game honestly. they're based on people wanting loot, and not accomlishments and friendships.

[aurik]

I'm not dictating the rules. Obviously, the people in their LS are not ALL happy about this decision. I'm quite simply pointing out that having an Open LS does not mean you have to be stupid on lotting logic. Dear lord.

Who are you to determine what's "being stupid"?

Let's look at the poll. 178 PLD to 7 WAR

Thier being stupid in their choice to let a WAR lot on a PLD item. At this point, you are just being stupid too. Who am I to say that tho, right?

Nobody here has the right to judge, so that poll might as well read 0 to 0 of the voices that matter.

[XxSlusherxx]

wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

and what are you doing?

LOL this is pretty much thread end material, I have no love for non-plds lotting this item, but people knew the rules when they entered.

[Judai]

I'm not dictating the rules. Obviously, the people in their LS are not ALL happy about this decision. I'm quite simply pointing out that having an Open LS does not mean you have to be stupid on lotting logic. Dear lord.

Who are you to determine what's "being stupid"?

Let's look at the poll. 178 PLD to 7 WAR

Thier being stupid in their choice to let a WAR lot on a PLD item. At this point, you are just being stupid too. Who am I to say that tho, right?

Nobody here has the right to judge, so that poll might as well read 0 to 0 of the voices that matter.

I'm sure the OP voted PLd and I'm sure the dude upholding his rules voted whoever. So it would 1pld 0war 1anyone. amright?

[Kainen]

legit? rofl. how dominant do you think your shell would have been if you weren't paying off all your scum members with loot from botted claims?

are we going to de-rail this into a claim-botting argument? seriously. we were camping kings before argus even existed. i guess you're just one of the sheep who singled out excellence because of our success, even though 90% of LS's who camp kings bot them (including 100% of our competition).

[Cyrus_Phoenix]

Honestly this topic should just die already and we can all get back to looking at the "fuck or duck" thread. There was never any question from the beginning that this piece is more useful for paladin than warrior anyways. That's not what our linkshell is about though. The point of Dynamisbums is that it is a place where people from different LS can come together to do Dynamis and have a good time without worrying about stupid HNMLS BS. Anyone who has ever attended our runs knows that for the most part it's just a non stop barrel of laughs.

[Kainen]

wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

and what are you doing?

i'm not judging any1. are you even reading what i type? i said, if open shell and if the rules were set in place beforehand then you can't change them mid-run. but afterwards, the shellholder has a responcibility to correct the rule.

[aurik]

wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

and what are you doing?

i'm not judging any1. are you even reading what i type? i said, if open shell and if the rules were set in place beforehand then you can't change them mid-run. but afterwards, the shellholder has a responcibility to correct the rule.

No, the MEMBERS have the responsibility to correct the rule as they see fit.

[Izzy]

wanna judge the shell by one person's insanity? so be it.

and what are you doing?

i'm not judging any1. are you even reading what i type? i said, if open shell and if the rules were set in place beforehand then you can't change them mid-run. but afterwards, the shellholder has a responcibility to correct the rule.

you're listening to the opinion of ONE person in our ls complaining about something he didnt even have the oppurnitunity to lot on cause he wasnt in the run where it dropped. so sir, in the end, you are judging our entire ls by one person's opinion. noone else in the ls really gives a flying fuck about what happened. the guy who got it has an assload of runs with the ls, he's very dedicated, and puts his neck on the line countless times. he deserved a rare peice of armor, he got it.

*EDIT* added sig cause i kept getting tells ingame Q_Q if Kuno switches the account name to Izzy or Izzyphoenix or wtf every, i'll gladly log into that. It's just that if i registered a new account, the IP would show up twice and she would probley delete the new account thinking it was a troll account.

[Kainen]

No, the MEMBERS have the responsibility to correct the rule as they see fit.

so you think DRG should get Sash?

[aurik]

I'm not dictating the rules. Obviously, the people in their LS are not ALL happy about this decision. I'm quite simply pointing out that having an Open LS does not mean you have to be stupid on lotting logic. Dear lord.

Who are you to determine what's "being stupid"?

Let's look at the poll. 178 PLD to 7 WAR

Thier being stupid in their choice to let a WAR lot on a PLD item. At this point, you are just being stupid too. Who am I to say that tho, right?

Nobody here has the right to judge, so that poll might as well read 0 to 0 of the voices that matter.

I'm sure the OP voted PLd and I'm sure the dude upholding his rules voted whoever. So it would 1pld 0war 1anyone. amright?

And the actual place where opinions matter, the DB forums, he was shot down...so this is all just a pointless crybaby act.

[aurik]

No, the MEMBERS have the responsibility to correct the rule as they see fit.

so you think SAM should get Sash?

If that's what all the members think is fair, then who am I to say otherwise?

[Lordwafik]

Hydra item lot rules in Manaburn: Choose 1 type of hydra item (fellow/tank/mage/enchantment). As long as you have the comment and a job able to wear a hydra item, you may lot on it if it drops. After 4 tav runs we've got a pld with the tank hands, a thf with the enchant hands, and a rdm/brd with the enchant feet.

Our shadow ring rules are even better: anyone not on a lotting suspension may lot the ring.

not that they could get kicked over it, since it within the rules, you would say most people are reasonable about it, i.e. you don't see a flood of lots when shadow items have dropped in the past, basically, you haven't encounterd much Kain-esque lotting, with the exception of that lvl30 nin koga?

Nah not at all, nobody's going to be kicked over AF / Items they can use so long as they're allowed. If we did, I'd have kicked vigilia for lotting "thief boots" because she's RDM and chose enchantment set to lot on (all enchantment gear = toys anyway, lol).

But honestly this situation has never occured to me. But it's kinda happened before, where people who have jobs they never/rarely play, lot on those jobs (I think RDM hat has the biggest "Waste" rate in our LS, at least 4 of them are retired or quit FFXI), but it's in our rules and while they're not perfect, they're our most fair rules we've experienced, and we've gone through about 3 rule changes so far.

I'd probably give them a talk/warning/word , just saying to be considerate when lotting, but at the end they're paying to enter, and I can't deny them to lot a peice in the rules.

The Koga chainmail incedent, the dude lied and claimed his NIN was lvl75, and we found out he lotted it just to spite the dude who was winning. I asked him if his nin was of level to lot, he told me yes, and I trusted him, and found out what his job level was later, kicking him from manaburn and posting it on KI to "seal" his reputation (now no NA LS's accept him due to his rep). But that's kinda different since his nin wasnt of lvl(was lvl11) but Kain's war was of lvl.

[Elmer the Pointy]

I don't blame the LS for this. It's kind of nice to see the shell sticking to its rules and being fair to all members.
I think the real issue is right here, said best by Rocl:

...
I don't care if it's not HNM, Hauberk and Haubergeon have 10 acc each too, and if he's 75 WAR... I hope he has one.. The MP and Refresh are kind of useless for Warrior don't you agree? Seriously WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? Enmity? What for? Honestly what could he ever do that warrants that much enmity? Merit parties? Doesn't sound all too bright.. I mean I'm not one to judge somebody on something like this but come on man...

In the end, it comes down to the highly original Kainhighwind and his reasoning behind lotting a PLD body piece for his Warrior. The stupidity/greed of lotting on a piece with high Enmity + MP/Refresh for Warrior... it just totally blows away any kind of problem there might be with the LS lotting rules.

(Kainhighwind) HAY GUYZ I'm here to tank "meripo"wwwwwww
(SmrtPrsn) wtf?
(Kainhighwind) Whyz my dmg so low!! I put Enmity in all my slots!!1
(SmrtPrsn) ...
(Kainhighwind) I know!
(Kainhighwind) I'm chargin' mah REFRESH!
(SmrtPrsn) die plz
/kick

I'm sure he was joking when he said that OP is just blowing it out of proportion, and I had him nailed to rights on page 3: he's just butthurt and came here with a loaded question to troll for sympathy.

Okay, Mr. aurik.
I still say his name is dumb.

[Avinor]

They're being stupid in their choice to let a WAR lot on a PLD item.

Not necessarily. Granted, the WAR and other non-PLDs lotting this piece is stupid, but the overall rule of 'you lot what you want if you have enough participation' isn't such a misguided move. We had a very similar disucssion months ago in SS and we decided that the drama and bickering from having to delegate and measure each item's job priority wasn't worth the occasional incident with a greedily-lotted item.

A shell puts trust in its members already every time it hosts a run, so it follows that those members should be trusted not to fuck over others with malicious lotting. Sometimes that doesn't happen, like in this case of someone lotting a piece that is incredibly useful and prestigious for PLD, but is jeuno gear for their WAR. But if having the rule in place has made for a more relaxed and fun atmosphere, then its probably worth eating the loss of one really cool piece. So long as people are enjoying themselves and being active, more will come. And they will come faster than for a shell that is meticulous about rules but has jaded members always suspicious of each other's motives.

So I'd say keep the rules as is, and let this serve as a reminder to people that being a greedy dumbass can have some far reaching and legitimate repurcussions, and casts an unfavorable light on the shell in general. It should also remind people that bringing internal LS issues to BG/KI does the same. If I were leadership I'd probably have a little talk with both the OP and Kain about how their actions impact and reflect on the shell.

[Kainen]

Becuase only greedy lootwhores would lot an item they would get little benifit from, over some1 who would put it to use daily. Are those the kind of people you want in your shell?