New Multiplayer Battlefields: Salvage (12/15/2006)

[Senoska]

Golden Salvage can be easily trio'd by any jobs 50+. Just standing slightly out of range of the chests and clicking them is enough to determine wether it's a mimic or the real deal. If the cursor vanishes and your character freezes for 2 seconds it's real. Anything else... and you just move onto the next. 1.1k a time (w/out band) for 5 minutes work.

er they draw in do they not....?

[Kaiyzer]

You stand in range so it gives you the white text "You must be closer to open that". Any mimic will not react at all to you clicking on it in that range. If you do the same with the real chest, your cursor vanishes and you can't move for a few seconds. When you regain movement, just pop it and you're done.

[Priran]

Here it comes, the uphill struggle, followed by the postpatch anticlimax.

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HERE COMES THE CRESCENDO

[NynJa]

When I logged in today, and went to whitegate I was actually fairly astounded to see not even 1 shout for Assault groups, when normally there's 2-3 going on at once, any other servers seeing less shouts? Or maybe I just missed them and they're all spamming assaults without me?

STOP MAKING PICKUP GROUPS FOR FUCKS SAKE

[Septimus]

I assume the reason for making it Assault Points was that people "should" have their stuff by now, they can use the points for new areas instead of gear.

I'm curious how they calculate the Assault Points. Bhaflau, Zhayolm, and Arrapago (Ilrusi) map to existing assault areas. Silver Seas does not. Can you only use points from corresponding assault areas for a specific salvage area? If so, what do you use for Silver Seas?

What about people whose characters just got up to high levels? Well, too bad for them. >_>

[thestalkmore]

I'm excited

[Abel]

STOP MAKING PICKUP GROUPS FOR FUCKS SAKE

Unless I read this wrong, and you were not speaking to me, I never stated I was trying to get a pick-up PT. I just stated how I'm surprised there are no shouts when on Midgard there are plenty of shouts a day, and many can do nothing more than pick-up PT's for various reasons which really are too many to list.

[FFXIFlux]

I assume the reason for making it Assault Points was that people "should" have their stuff by now, they can use the points for new areas instead of gear.

I'm curious how they calculate the Assault Points. Bhaflau, Zhayolm, and Arrapago (Ilrusi) map to existing assault areas. Silver Seas does not. Can you only use points from corresponding assault areas for a specific salvage area? If so, what do you use for Silver Seas?

What about people whose characters just got up to high levels? Well, too bad for them. >_>

You can get assault points at level 50.

[Abel]

How many people actually go for 50cap Assaults though? Only people I know on my server that do Assaults are '75 onry'. I've done a few Golden Salvage's at 60 w/ my friends, don't see a big diff, the mobs seem to scaled to the level. But it's probably just a lot easier to grab a bunch of end-game people I assume, wouldn't know, I never do shouts for them <_< always get people who bitch and whine about your strategy, then try to do it their way anyways, and then usually end up dying, then bitching ensues about their death and how nobody else switched to his strat, b/c it was 'clearly better'. LS and friends I know aren't suffering from down syndrome onry for me.

[LD]

AP is difficult to get. I've been stuck at 7 runs short of P.Body for a month and have been holding 4 tags for at least 2 weeks, not even my friends will help me spam Golden Salvage.
SMNs can solo it, people only ever want (/)RDM and BRD for #13, and they do it in packs.
What am I gunna do, burn my Ilrusi points, putting me even farther away from my concrete, and therefore more important goal?

maybe sub smn?

[quote:70cdd]AP is not hard to get really. Every zone has 1 "easy" one you can trio, Ilrusi has Lamia13, RDM RDM THF can do that, Mamool Ja has Pre-emptive Strike, THF THF RDM/WHM can do that, etc. Both those I know give 1333 AP each, 2 runs = 1 Salvage run. Tedious? Yes, difficult? Not at all.

Building bridges, counting sheep, breaking morale are extremely easy. No fighting so who cares what jobs you have. Oh but you have to be rank 4 or 5 to do those. And the beauty of all 3 of those? 15 minute assaults.

Once you understand how to beat something like Building Bridges, you will never lose. We can knock out all 4 tags on that one in 1 hour (including travel time back to whitegate). Isn't tedious at all. 4k assault points right there with 4 people.[/quote:70cdd]

...I did not say Assault missions were difficult, I said getting AP is difficult.
RDM, BRD, and mages with /RDM never invite a job that can't dispel (reliably) to Lamia #13 unless they are a friend, and even that's a long shot.
It's more likely that a pick-up with any melee will go full 6, because they've never done it before, so I'll get a cut.
All my RDM friends are gone, the one person who did help me with golden salvage spamming wont, because I helped him finally get first class at the cost of my tags, so now he wont spare the ones I know he has because he wants to save them for his static. -_-
The few times I had an LS, no one offered help.
The insanely rare instance that I actually ASKED for help, a person who could have done so easily 'just didn't wanna.'
There are still people struggling to get what they want even with a static.
Assault Missions are easy, starting one is hard.

1m was, and still is, more than just steep.
However, even when dynamis was first introduced, you could get that much and more in a single shot.
From what I understand, most Assault payouts only scratch at 2k.

I will not level a job for content that is designed to be open to every job.

[Abel]

Honestly couldn't agree more w/ LD here. If you were one of the lucky ones to get a static going the first month or few months of Assault, you're pretty much left in the dust. Personally I know *my* HNMLS, and other LS' that I have don't even respond when I ask for help on them. People are generally fairly greedy and like to get what they want, and split (especially the majority of End-Game people i know of) so this kind of thing that LD has described happens quite often. I used to static NIN, MNK, WHM on the worm assault, but both of those people who I staticed with have left the game. And since starting over on WAR, I'm having to rely on my JP SMN friend who can solo Golden Salvage, and if I'm ever able to catch him when he's online he'll help, but doing that is quite hard lately. Assaults are easy, getting a PT together especially at PSC is excrutiatingly hard, at least on my server.

[Lordender]

I wouldn't put much faith into having problems getting parties after salvage is implemented unless the rewards are really really terrible. I think if there is good items to come from these zones people will start spamming the assaults. I mean if nothing really good comes out of it but less than average gear nothing changes.

[jibini]

getting AP is difficult.

I'm not convinced by this.

When ToAU came out, Thief was my only level 75 job, with Samurai hitting 75 a couple of months later.

I'm Sergeant Major, 25/25 Assaults for whatever the next rank is, have accumulated 131,048 Assault Points across the five areas, and don't even care to think about how many tags I've missed.

My secret: The other members of my LS are more than happy to work together on an Assault if it gets anyone points/wins that they need; they don't feel the need to do 3 person assaults onry for OMGWTFBBQ Assault Points.

[Luke]

how the fuck can ppl be complaining about the drops allready ??

I woke up and this shit was at page 12, so I'm not reading it all, but I dont know how the fuck ppl can complain about drops when no ones even seen the items that will be added monday.

going from history I think everyone here can assume what the drops will be. Thusly bitching about it. Fact is the gear will still be subpar compaired to whats already in the game, thusly, a waste of time.

Not necessarily, people said the same prior to the implimentation of Limbus. That said, not everyone is going to have the best gear possible, people were happy when they introduced Barbarossa's Zerehs because getting Haidate has become something of a rarity these days.

And what did SE do? Nerf the amount of times you can do it, even though its drop rate is apparently shit. That's why people complain so hastily (no pun intended!) about everything.

Ontopic... I wouldn't get my hopes up that there will be extremely useful items in Salvage; why would SE outdate old content(sky/dynamis/kings) when so many people still take part in it? Meh.

Why would Salvage outdate sky items when in the same update, they are making it easier for us to get to sky? Just doesn't make sense to me, and fuck AP requirement for Salvage too. Being forced to spam missions isn't enjoyable.

edit: pun

[Kaylia]

^

I will be more than glad to go xp on weapon or statue with this new teleport [edit: when ToA will be overcrowded, like it often is >_>). New portal will have utility more than old zilart endgame.

Not that I expect anything to be better than haidate, and a few other sky gears, so I'm sure people will still farm ulli.

[Luke]

Idk, on my server, it doesn't seem like thickets is all that packed lately(though i don't merit often anymore, since it's so mind-numbingly boring) so didn't think the portals would be for merit use, but I guess that's a valid point.

[Goddess]

Golden Salvage can be easily trio'd by any jobs 50+. Just standing slightly out of range of the chests and clicking them is enough to determine wether it's a mimic or the real deal. If the cursor vanishes and your character freezes for 2 seconds it's real. Anything else... and you just move onto the next. 1.1k a time (w/out band) for 5 minutes work.

Pardon for being a bit offtopic. But can this be used in SW Apollyon with the floor of Mimics as well? Seems like it would; same concept. Just like to make sure.

[Goddess]

Janice, your sig makes me cry! ;;
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/8...rd01wb0me9.jpg
Maybe cause I don't have an assault static.... (Rank5 though^^)

[Cauac]

Kaiyzer wrote:
Golden Salvage can be easily trio'd by any jobs 50+. Just standing slightly out of range of the chests and clicking them is enough to determine wether it's a mimic or the real deal. If the cursor vanishes and your character freezes for 2 seconds it's real. Anything else... and you just move onto the next. 1.1k a time (w/out band) for 5 minutes work.


Pardon for being a bit offtopic. But can this be used in SW Apollyon with the floor of Mimics as well? Seems like it would; same concept. Just like to make sure.

that would be great lol, trying that next time we do sw

[Rosencrantz]

When I logged in today, and went to whitegate I was actually fairly astounded to see not even 1 shout for Assault groups, when normally there's 2-3 going on at once, any other servers seeing less shouts? Or maybe I just missed them and they're all spamming assaults without me?

STOP MAKING PICKUP GROUPS FOR FUCKS SAKE

I don't see what's wrong with pick up assaults... Personally i dont want to get into a static because i dislike time obligations (Ie. "be there at 5 tomorrow!) and makin a group in ls is too much hassle since most people will be busy, and finding right jobs is annoying most of the times. So i just whore "easy ones" (Lamia 13, dumb walls...) with pick-up parties to farm r/ex i need.

Now that's true i dont really like assault as much as some people does, and i'm still SP.

On this coffer/mimic glitch, it could be good for BC50 "Treasures and Tribulations" in Balga's too, since if you open right chest, Sorcerer's and Astral can fall (Set is like 2M here).