New Multiplayer Battlefields: Salvage (12/15/2006)

[Vobent]

Honestly at this point I don't care too much, I just want to see what's in there. Major fail imo if it's just the 3 TAU jobs AF2, but I highly doubt that. I'm hoping for a pipe-dream non-horrible drop rate, sky gear equivalent, or at least decent sets that mean less people in Sky, so that the competition is spread out some, instead of 5 LS trying to grab Ulli at once.

being a BLU myself it would be nice if they did add AF2 for us, but something tells me they won't just yet

also i think it'll all be ??? items, cos it's all being "salvaged"

I love when people say shit like that. First off, only 1, possibly 2 pieces, of the set will be good. And it will take you over a year to farm it, doing dynamis twice a week every week. Yeah that sure would be nice. I hope they use this opportunity to completely destroy dynamis and start over from scratch with something that isnt boring as shit, and has all 18 jobs AF2 in one place.

Talk about a real debbie downer

[Abel]

>.> idk what all the complaining is about, yeah it's SE, yah they won't do what we all want. Am I the only one who just likes seeing new armor and shit on the datamine and the few days after explaining which are good and being able to field test them? It's little things in life that i believe you should take pleasure in, but that's just me I suppose. I hope it'll have AF2 ontop of a lot of other good stuff, hopefully it's jam-packed worth of equipment and gears, then the AP whoring might be worth it, if the drops don't suck. But I'll be plenty happy for a few days at least gawking at the new equipment, knowing that i likely won't see it for quite some time.

Edit: I'm interested in BLU AF2, b/c if it'd have to be some 'new' thing, b/c if memory serves me, Blue Mages are new to the world, having been created by the Empire, they don't seem nearly as old as the other jobs are, but I find it interesting how they may implement it nonetheless.

[LD]

getting AP is difficult.

I'm not convinced by this.

When ToAU came out, Thief was my only level 75 job, with Samurai hitting 75 a couple of months later.

I'm Sergeant Major, 25/25 Assaults for whatever the next rank is, have accumulated 131,048 Assault Points across the five areas, and don't even care to think about how many tags I've missed.

My secret: The other members of my LS are more than happy to work together on an Assault if it gets anyone points/wins that they need; they don't feel the need to do 3 person assaults onry for OMGWTFBBQ Assault Points.

Bold = Key Points.
I'd be more than happy to burn out runs, regardless of set-up, if I were sure they would be reasonably consistent.
I was tempted to rank up in lieu attaining my piece for the same reason above.
However, consistency is a rare thing for me.
All my friends are gone, constantly busy, and/or effectively worthless.
I have no large group to call on for help, when I did, I received none.
Tells don't work, shouts don't work.
I am suffering from my circumstance just as you are benefitting from your's.
Anyone will tell you that Fortune is not directly proportionate to Intelligence.

[Zalius]

Honestly at this point I don't care too much, I just want to see what's in there. Major fail imo if it's just the 3 TAU jobs AF2, but I highly doubt that. I'm hoping for a pipe-dream non-horrible drop rate, sky gear equivalent, or at least decent sets that mean less people in Sky, so that the competition is spread out some, instead of 5 LS trying to grab Ulli at once.

being a BLU myself it would be nice if they did add AF2 for us, but something tells me they won't just yet

also i think it'll all be ??? items, cos it's all being "salvaged"

I love when people say shit like that. First off, only 1, possibly 2 pieces, of the set will be good. And it will take you over a year to farm it, doing dynamis twice a week every week. Yeah that sure would be nice. I hope they use this opportunity to completely destroy dynamis and start over from scratch with something that isnt boring as shit, and has all 18 jobs AF2 in one place.

Talk about a real debbie downer

He's right though.

[Lordwafik]

Why do people assume the drops are going to suck anyway?

If we go by HNM standards ok, Cerb and Hydra are like Vrtra and Jorm, drop mehtastic drops, but if we go by the battlefeilds, Dynamis / Limbus, both drop amazing crap that can't be found elsewhere (at their time of release - and some still are unique, go find me another refresh hat my rdm can wear ).

The dynamis fee was 1m/members - which even when dynamis was introduced, it was a steep fee. Limbus's fee is 50k per person, this one's fee is going to be 2k AP (which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

If we keep going by those standards , then we can expect to be reimbursed our gil somehow via items inside. Dynamis did this via AF2, Currencies, and Synth Materials. Limbus did this via Currencies, and AF upgrade items, and the rare sellable synth materials you sometimes find in chests. Salvage is going to have to find a way to reimburse, or people won't join in.

If you look at the update notes, Limbus was just introduced as an event for people to do who were looking for something a tad different to dynamis, they never mentioned a thing about homam or the amazing af1+1 some jobs have, it came as a surprise.

Basically what i'm saying is going by the majority of their notes, they seem pretty spot on with rewarding us for our time in these zones, the ones that were thought out and new.

However on the other hand, CoP dynamis and Metal chip limbus exist, lol. Those zones however were made in a rush/tacked on, their initial areas were great (4 cities/Ice dyna is awesome compared to lolcop, Initial Limbus zones are better than Metal Chip) , but seeing how Salvage is new and not just being tacked on, I have hope that they'll be well worth our time (since we're not paying for the first time in the history of these events) spent.

Then again, no money is being spent, so it's also very likely that we won't get sellables, but instead rare/ex gears to warrant time spent inside.

[Kaylia]

The dynamis fee was 1m/members - which even when dynamis was introduced, it was a steep fee. Limbus's fee is 50k per person, this one's fee is going to be 2k AP (which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

How do you get 150k out of 2k AP? Maybe a few months ago, but I generally get 350k for 8000poiunts items. Unless there is an item I'm missing.

[Priran]

The dynamis fee was 1m/members - which even when dynamis was introduced, it was a steep fee. Limbus's fee is 50k per person, this one's fee is going to be 2k AP (which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

How do you get 150k out of 2k AP? Maybe a few months ago, but I generally get 350k for 8000poiunts items. Unless there is an item I'm missing.

wafik plays on asura.

[Lordender]

I don't think any of us can say its going to fail just on the fact that we don't know what is the ultimate result of doing them.

[Kaylia]

The dynamis fee was 1m/members - which even when dynamis was introduced, it was a steep fee. Limbus's fee is 50k per person, this one's fee is going to be 2k AP (which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

How do you get 150k out of 2k AP? Maybe a few months ago, but I generally get 350k for 8000poiunts items. Unless there is an item I'm missing.

wafik plays on asura.

I checked their chivalrous chain, which is the best item on our server, and I thought would be the best on their too.
Chivalrous chain: 390k/8k points

I didnt realize their potent belt worth twice as much as our, when chivalrous chain is about the same.

[Rocl]

"Hey Asura is it true your ego is inflated as your economy?"

WHO ELSE REMEMBERS THAT GOLD FROM BALLISTA ROYALE?

<3 Altimus

(pretty sure Bahamut lost to Asura too, lol)

[Epical]

Didn't read all of Wafik's post, but I thought I'd say this:

(which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

Minus 99-149k for accurate server prices for places other than Asura.

[Lordwafik]

"Hey Asura is it true your ego is inflated as your economy?"

WHO ELSE REMEMBERS THAT GOLD FROM BALLISTA ROYALE?

<3 Altimus

(pretty sure Bahamut lost to Asura too, lol)

Our ballista team had the most arrogant tard, I'm glad we lost.

[aurik]

The dynamis fee was 1m/members - which even when dynamis was introduced, it was a steep fee. Limbus's fee is 50k per person, this one's fee is going to be 2k AP (which was calculated to be 100-150k of consumables if traded for items).

How do you get 150k out of 2k AP? Maybe a few months ago, but I generally get 350k for 8000poiunts items. Unless there is an item I'm missing.

wafik plays on asura.

I checked their chivalrous chain, which is the best item on our server, and I thought would be the best on their too.
Chivalrous chain: 390k/8k points

I didnt realize their potent belt worth twice as much as our, when chivalrous chain is about the same.

Yea I made that estimate based on Potent Belt

[Shuemue]

"Hey Asura is it true your ego is inflated as your economy?"

WHO ELSE REMEMBERS THAT GOLD FROM BALLISTA ROYALE?

<3 Altimus

(pretty sure Bahamut lost to Asura too, lol)

Our ballista team had the most arrogant tard, I'm glad we lost.

I think Saviour was a wonderful ambassador for our server. Why must you disrespect him so callously? He battles with honour and justice. He is a shining beacon of all that is great about our server.

Actually he's a twat. >_<

[Obev]

He is a shining beacon of all that is great about our server.

Actually he's a twat. >_<

Based on the first page of Asura's KI forum, I'd say that being a twat is all we're great at.

[Shuemue]

Based on the first page of Asura's KI forum, I'd say that being a twat is all we're great at.

Meh, the Asura section of KI used to be frickin' awesome. Now it's all '+1' shit. I'd ban those fuckers so fast.

[Krandor]

Based on the first page of Asura's KI forum, I'd say that being a twat is all we're great at.

Meh, the Asura section of KI used to be frickin' awesome. Now it's all '+1' shit. I'd ban those fuckers so fast.

I'm obviously not the only one who's been thinking that lately.

(P.S. +1)

[Dakana]

The problem with APs for entry versus other methods is that the entry method doesn't scale. All other group activities in FFXI benefit from obtaining the entry "fee" with all the same people you'd do the event with. You can fund Dynamis with currency itself. You can obtain gil from H/NM and Limbus coins to fund Limbus. You can farm seals in the same party that does the BC. You can gain access to ENMs and then do the ENMs with the same static that you do PMs with.

Self-funding events are just made of win. But, now with Salvage, it's not just no longer self-funding. The group can't even help it's own members. They have to split up into 3 or more smaller groups and each smaller group has to fend for itself. If one of the smallers fails, main group has to reschedule and can't even help out. All they can do is heckle or encourage the other group to succeed.

This is really poor design. Large events should be cohesive in nature when it comes to group dynamics, not divisive. If Salvage is to succeed, there better be one hell of a nice drop list to motivate folks past these obstacles.

Umm AP is FREE - I went and grabbed 2 warm bodies today and did Golden Salvage 3 times in 30 min as a WHM/BLM using the cursor trick for 3.3k AP - that's a net gain of 1.3k AP. Plus people aren't going to drop doing Limbus and Dynamis, so Slavage will still only be done ~2 times a week. There's no need for it to fund itself - gil items inside will only net me profit - something I actually need and I'll still be raising AP too as I won't be using it all every week. I see this as totally win win and won't cost me a gil.

[Hitoshura]

Based on the first page of Asura's KI forum, I'd say that being a twat is all we're great at.

Meh, the Asura section of KI used to be frickin' awesome. Now it's all '+1' shit. I'd ban those fuckers so fast.

I'm obviously not the only one who's been thinking that lately.

(P.S. +1)

Ciari, Tis, Diablokiller? Makes me want to shoot myself.

[Shuemue]

Based on the first page of Asura's KI forum, I'd say that being a twat is all we're great at.

Meh, the Asura section of KI used to be frickin' awesome. Now it's all '+1' shit. I'd ban those fuckers so fast.

I'm obviously not the only one who's been thinking that lately.

(P.S. +1)

Ciari, Tis, Diablokiller? Makes me want to shoot myself.

I like Tisi but boy am I pissed at her for helping ruin it. That fucking Kenshiro is the worst. Hell, I even prefer the incessant Remedy quote trains than that twat spamming "+1" and "item/person/etc reminds me of gay"

Wasn't funny the first 500 times, now stfu.

HEY 6SOULS MAKE ME AN ADMIN ON KI, I'LL CLEAN THAT SHIT UP IN ABOUT A WEEK.