New Multiplayer Battlefields: Salvage (12/15/2006)

[Abel]

What was the cursor trick again? Stay out of range and click it? If it's a mimic it won't say you're out of range? I only knew the SMN trick, so forgive my ignorance.

Edit: 17th Page on something we still have no idea what will drop exactly, I expect 23-25 by update.

[Miji]

The problem with APs for entry versus other methods is that the entry method doesn't scale. All other group activities in FFXI benefit from obtaining the entry "fee" with all the same people you'd do the event with. You can fund Dynamis with currency itself. You can obtain gil from H/NM and Limbus coins to fund Limbus. You can farm seals in the same party that does the BC. You can gain access to ENMs and then do the ENMs with the same static that you do PMs with.

Self-funding events are just made of win. But, now with Salvage, it's not just no longer self-funding. The group can't even help it's own members. They have to split up into 3 or more smaller groups and each smaller group has to fend for itself. If one of the smallers fails, main group has to reschedule and can't even help out. All they can do is heckle or encourage the other group to succeed.

This is really poor design. Large events should be cohesive in nature when it comes to group dynamics, not divisive. If Salvage is to succeed, there better be one hell of a nice drop list to motivate folks past these obstacles.

Umm AP is FREE - I went and grabbed 2 warm bodies today and did Golden Salvage 3 times in 30 min as a WHM/BLM using the cursor trick for 3.3k AP - that's a net gain of 1.3k AP. Plus people aren't going to drop doing Limbus and Dynamis, so Slavage will still only be done ~2 times a week. There's no need for it to fund itself - gil items inside will only net me profit - something I actually need and I'll still be raising AP too as I won't be using it all every week. I see this as totally win win and won't cost me a gil.

The cost is working on the "time is money" premise. The time spent in assault could be used to sell items for gil, but you're using it to get into Salvage instead.

[Abel]

If you do the cursor trick it takes you at most 1hr to get 3-4 tags done for 3-4k AP. Granted not everybody has people who can go for that, but rarely will people turn down free AP if you shout it. So if you do it once a day, that's about 1k AP for 10-15min....hardly "Time Vs Money". But to each their own, some can't do it like that, which in case they can do other things instead, but if your only reason for not going is "i'd rather craft", that's a pretty weak argument.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

The problem with APs for entry versus other methods is that the entry method doesn't scale. All other group activities in FFXI benefit from obtaining the entry "fee" with all the same people you'd do the event with. You can fund Dynamis with currency itself. You can obtain gil from H/NM and Limbus coins to fund Limbus. You can farm seals in the same party that does the BC. You can gain access to ENMs and then do the ENMs with the same static that you do PMs with.

Self-funding events are just made of win. But, now with Salvage, it's not just no longer self-funding. The group can't even help it's own members. They have to split up into 3 or more smaller groups and each smaller group has to fend for itself. If one of the smallers fails, main group has to reschedule and can't even help out. All they can do is heckle or encourage the other group to succeed.

This is really poor design. Large events should be cohesive in nature when it comes to group dynamics, not divisive. If Salvage is to succeed, there better be one hell of a nice drop list to motivate folks past these obstacles.

Umm AP is FREE - I went and grabbed 2 warm bodies today and did Golden Salvage 3 times in 30 min as a WHM/BLM using the cursor trick for 3.3k AP - that's a net gain of 1.3k AP. Plus people aren't going to drop doing Limbus and Dynamis, so Slavage will still only be done ~2 times a week. There's no need for it to fund itself - gil items inside will only net me profit - something I actually need and I'll still be raising AP too as I won't be using it all every week. I see this as totally win win and won't cost me a gil.

The cost is working on the "time is money" premise. The time spent in assault could be used to sell items for gil, but you're using it to get into Salvage instead.

If you're so worried about that shit you really really shouldn't be playing a goddamn mmorpg.

[Janice]

The cost is working on the "time is money" premise. The time spent in assault could be used to sell items for gil, but you're using it to get into Salvage instead.

I used to sell all my AP for money til I decided there are better ways to get gil. So I kept doing them and saving AP just incase something came along. Oh wow look, something came along.

[Abel]

I'd love to have your AP Janice, the only problem would be if 17 other people lack that kind of AP and so you'd have to do pick-up PT's and, my experience with Alliances and Pick-Up's is absolute crap, I sure hope it's better on your server. At least if you somehow can spam it everyday, you'll have a longish time to dwindle it all down as long as you do 1k AP every day or so. If i had the ability to do them instead of other things, it would of been a good idea, but to most I'm sure they saw them as something that wasn't gonna get you anything good anytime soon, so why bother. Good reasoning, but we all know SE likes to reward those who grind away at 'stale' things and fuck over those who get bored with them by making them have to go back to the grind.

[Kurohyou]

If they'd released this crap the day the expansion came out I'd have been excited. At this point, Salvage just sounds like SE desparately trying to be new and hip.

[Xeno]

I'm gonna guess safley that you have to get area specific tags, like Leboros Salvage Tag etc, so just spamming the SMN one wont be of much use lol

[Tomino]

Dynamis has the Hourglass, Limbus has the CosmoCleanse...
Why Salvage Key Item should be zone-related?

the 2k AP cost is easily dealt with if you can chose which assault to farm; Mages spam Excavation, DD spam Preemptive/Requiem, Dispellers trio Lamia, SMN solo chests and everyone can do Breaking Morale. just to name a few.

[Lordwafik]

Dynamis has the Hourglass, Limbus has the CosmoCleanse...
Why Salvage Key Item should be zone-related?

the 2k AP cost is easily dealt with if you can chose which assault to farm; Mages spam Excavation, DD spam Preemptive/Requiem, Dispellers trio Lamia, SMN solo chests and everyone can do Breaking Morale. just to name a few.

and the real people go to higher teir assaults that have no fighting, so 3 of any job can do

[inafume]

Dynamis has the Hourglass, Limbus has the CosmoCleanse...
Why Salvage Key Item should be zone-related?

Limbus also has the Euvhi card items, which *are* zone related, sorta.

[Miji]

Umm AP is FREE - I went and grabbed 2 warm bodies today and did Golden Salvage 3 times in 30 min as a WHM/BLM using the cursor trick for 3.3k AP - that's a net gain of 1.3k AP. Plus people aren't going to drop doing Limbus and Dynamis, so Slavage will still only be done ~2 times a week. There's no need for it to fund itself - gil items inside will only net me profit - something I actually need and I'll still be raising AP too as I won't be using it all every week. I see this as totally win win and won't cost me a gil.

The cost is working on the "time is money" premise. The time spent in assault could be used to sell items for gil, but you're using it to get into Salvage instead.

If you're so worried about that shit you really really shouldn't be playing a goddamn mmorpg.

Take it easy champ, I didn't say I was worried about it.

[Zalius]

Don't forget it didn't specify if the 2k AP was staging point specific compared to each zone (e.g. halvung = zhayolm, mamool ja = bhaflau etc)

[Rho]

When adventurers begin a Salvage mission, they may have as many as 20 different limits hampering their abilities, equipment, attributes, and more.

So here's my speculation on what the limits will be:

STR DEX AGI VIT INT MND CHR -> 7
HP/MP -> 2
Subjobs -> 1
Job Traits -> 1
2hr abilities -> 1
Other Job Abilities -> 1
Equipment -> 1
Magic types (Blue, Black, White, Songs, Summon, Ninjutsu) -> 6


That's 20, though I'm wondering if they might break up the equipment or just make it all equipment with one pathos.


As for Assault Points: I'm wagering each counter will have the Salvage Permit available for 2000 points.

[Dakana]

What was the cursor trick again? Stay out of range and click it? If it's a mimic it won't say you're out of range? I only knew the SMN trick, so forgive my ignorance.

Edit: 17th Page on something we still have no idea what will drop exactly, I expect 23-25 by update.

You get close enough to click it so that the text is white and tells you to move closer. If at that point the cursor disappears it's real otherwise find a new one.

[Kuya]

As for Assault Points: I'm wagering each counter will have the Salvage Permit available for 2000 points.

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Looks like someone figured it out. Makes perfect sense no?

[Janice]

Don't forget it didn't specify if the 2k AP was staging point specific compared to each zone (e.g. halvung = zhayolm, mamool ja = bhaflau etc)

This key item can be obtained in exchange for Assault points (2000) and will grant entry to any one of the four remnants.

[Abel]

Thanks Dakana, there a certain distance number, or do you just eyeball it and keep inching closer while hitting the cursor key until you get the message / see that?

[Zalius]

Don't forget it didn't specify if the 2k AP was staging point specific compared to each zone (e.g. halvung = zhayolm, mamool ja = bhaflau etc)

This key item can be obtained in exchange for Assault points (2000) and will grant entry to any one of the four remnants.

icee what you did there

[Senoska]

Just kind of throwing this out there, I haven't done assault in like 4 months so im going on a whim and saying there is one far left open counter with no one there. Maybe they will release a new assault there [like a 6 person] then u can buy your permit to go into the 18 person area... just a thought.