PLD Update Effects

[Vygun]

Just to elaborate more on what others have said. The rampert cuts down wings to almost nothing. Only real test I have had.

The sentinel does seem to lose effectiveness over time. Most likely has a set amount of dmg it can absorb before it starts to diminish. The enmity boost is quite big. Idk if I can properly say how much bigger, because I have capped guardian. It seems to put me a lot higher on the hate scale when used(do a lot of tanking with nin/brds and defintely saw a difference with /war haven't got a chance to /nin anything big yet since update).

Overall the changes are exactly what was needed to make pld not so sub job dependent.

[anjiru]

Not sure if it was mentioned because I'm rather sleepy, but Rampart removes Stoneskin from everyone in party. So the rest of the people in party that rely on Stoneskin to protect from random physical damage as well (adds for example), will have to redo them. :/

I can see it helping though in the event all the Stoneskin timers are down I guess.

[Jhun]

Wing and Breath for 0dmg while Rampart

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...li/fafnir1.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...li/fafnir2.jpg

Also the next day Nidhogg Hurricane Wing hitting for 0dmg to our tank PT with rampart.

[FFXIFlux]

These changes are exactly what the job needed to become what it -should- be, a highly defensive class with respectable healing capabilities.

They were already a highly defensive class with respectable healing capabilities that could tank anything in the game and do it easily.

I'd be worried that in order to make an encounter challenging now for paladins the mobs would have to be hitting so hard they'd one-shot anything other than a paladin, but this is SE we're talking about. It'll be 2 years before they release anything harder than lolsalvage, and by then FFXI will be shut down.

[layoneil]

These changes are exactly what the job needed to become what it -should- be, a highly defensive class with respectable healing capabilities.

They were already a highly defensive class with respectable healing capabilities that could tank anything in the game and do it easily.

except as we all know the defense calculation formulas are stupid.

how often did PLDs pass up on Enmity, HP or Haste equipment because they were unwilling to sacrifice the defense lost.

[Silfer]

Not sure if it was mentioned because I'm rather sleepy, but Rampart removes Stoneskin from everyone in party. So the rest of the people in party that rely on Stoneskin to protect from random physical damage as well (adds for example), will have to redo them. :/

I can see it helping though in the event all the Stoneskin timers are down I guess.

Sorry but this is false information. I just tested this and the WHM i did it with still had Stoneskin and Rampart effect.

Oh yeah and as usual, EXTREME is a homo.

[Zetah]

Yeah, we all know how awesome Sentinel is at this point. It can make Fafnir hit for like, 12 DMG. Maybe less if I was /warrior.

Rampart though, I think this is also very interesting... at Fafnir I made at least 4 hurricane wings do nothing, as well as a few 0 dmg dragon breaths. Killing darters and spiders inbetween windows would yield a lot of 0 DMG Cursed Spheres and Acid Sprays, it's just pretty awesome. I'm not even sure which I'd rather merit down at the moment, but I'm leaning towards Sentinel.

[anjiru]

I did have it tested just moments ago. The WHM did not lose Stoneskin effect. But from experience during our last Tiamat fight, whenever a PLD used Rampart, several people in party lost Stoneskin and received Magic Shield effect. I was on BRD at the time, with a fairly high Stoneskin set up. Another BLM noticed Rampart removing her Stoneskin as well.

The WHM and PLD I just asked to test it, the WHM did not receive Magic Shield effect. I supposed it depends which is stronger, the Rampart's Magic Shield or the user's Stoneskin.

Test it on say, a BRD if you can. See if the Stoneskin gets overwritten with Magic Shield.

Edit: Had another test done without trying to cap Stoneskin, same results as the WHM and PLD.

My experience of this happened 1 day after the maintenance, where we had our first chance to test out Rampart on Tiamat and Fafnir. There could have possibly been some sort of fix or update on it since then.

[Caudle]

Try and test it with a BRD with no SS gear on, and then test again with MAX SS gear. Also another idea may be to get a RDM an WHM in party too, maybe it has something to do with enhancing magic? If the BRD's and BLMs were getting overridden and the WHM was not, check and see what happens with RDMS.

I wasnt there for the Tiamat the other day, but would be interested to see it firsthand. I know some people have better Stoneskin Macros than others, and are better at keeping it fresh too

[anjiru]

Yet another test done, on my BRD. With Stoneskin gear on, Rampart didn't overwrite it. Without my Stoneskin gear, just freecasting, Rampart overwrote my Stoneskin.

Used Stoneskin with varying +MND gear, Rampart didn't overwrite with ~90 MND.

So it seems that it does depend on the user's Stoneskin vs. PLD's Rampart.

I still find it odd though that also the BLM's fresh Stoneskin was overwritten that day, and that person definitely has worked on it.

[Dark Vincent]

These changes are exactly what the job needed to become what it -should- be, a highly defensive class with respectable healing capabilities.

PLD has had issues for the longest time, its just that they could be worked around by subbing (what I consider to personally be broken, utsusemi) ninja for shadows.

This is a very dramatic step in defining PLD by its mainjob rather than its sub.

So true.
Btw, tested Rampart vs Shock Spikes. While the dmg did get nullified, the stat effect affected me the same way.
Sentinel's improvement is huge @_@ However my only tests in that regard came from meripos, wearing DD gear (but the damage mitigation was noticeable regardless. Went from 120 dmg per hit down to 30-40s.)

[Khamsin]

When you have both Stoneskin and Rampart up, does the Magic Shield absorb magic damage first, and then Stoneskin absorbs the rest, or will it eat through Stoneskin and then Magic Shield?

I can see how it would be annoying to lose stoneskin when rampart is used, but it might be worth it to put it up again for the double protection (from magic, anyway).

[Bluedemon]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

[anjiru]

When you have both Stoneskin and Rampart up, does the Magic Shield absorb magic damage first, and then Stoneskin absorbs the rest, or will it eat through Stoneskin and then Magic Shield?

I can see how it would be annoying to lose stoneskin when rampart is used, but it might be worth it to put it up again for the double protection (from magic, anyway).

It does not seem possible to have Stoneskin and the Magic Shield effect of Rampart up at the same time. You receive 2 icons now for Rampart, a defense boost and a magic shield.

[Garret]

I tested the new Sentinel very heavily in Dynamis after the update, used it on every single Mnk mob we fought, it makes 100 Fists an absolute joke.

You could probably straight tank 100 fists from Seiryu with Sentinel now without even needing to throw down a stun or shadowbind.

A few things to confirm from various posters before.



The reduction does fade with time, if you are wearing AF2 it starts out at 100% damage reduction, near the end it's maybe only 50% or so, hard to tell because of Shield Blocks.

One important thing to note which I don't think anyone mentioned yet. You can macro in/out AF2 Feet & still have the full damage reduction. You do not need to be wearing AF2 Feet the entire time to receive the bonus, only when you initialy activate the ability. So that's helpful if you want to throw AF1+1 back on for Shield, or Homam for Haste.

Amazing update for Pld.

[Glori]

Just thought i would add a note on Rampart. Tanking Cerberus, Lava Spit was reduced from 600ish dmg to 0 for both me (pld/nin) and the nin co-tanking with me. I didnt SS it, but it occured several times.

[Starr]

Stuff makes sense now. Logged into the aery after maintenance today to see gil sellers claim fafnir (first claim on our server's history ). The pld was constantly getting hit for 150-190, then was getting hit for 20-30 for a few. Makes sense now, holy hell.

P.S. FUCK YOU GIL SELLERS

They were in aery for the first time too on Ifrit. Kinda sad

Challenger, sky RMT, were in DA for the first time after the update too, and even camping gil HNM.

[Epoxy]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

[Kilik]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

How is that relevant to this thread?

As said before, Rampart brought Lava Spit down to 0 dmg, which is pretty damn hot. While camping Ulli, Sentinel (with AF2 feet macro'd in) made the statues hit me for 6, 12, 12, 18, etc and last hit before it wore off was a crit for 80. That was with no food, protect or defender. The JA changes are hot as hell. Now someone make Khimaira pop plz.

[Valrath]

Paladin updates are nothing short of groundbreaking. There's nothing better than turning a once deadly TP move into an attack that does 100 damage. Rampart's magic shield effect will be very helpful on those that spams magic AoE. With shield blocks preventing spell interruptions, pld/nin and pld/rdm just got a whole lot stronger.

I tested out sentinels hate generation enhancement in besieged (was in a pt with a whm, would never do so w/o one). I popped sentinel, flash, and some cures and keep solid hate, too much hate. Those damn frogs are stronger than they seem, at least when they cast fire IV... Fire IV caught me by surprise so I didn't have time to pop Rampart. Early tests in the Mire turned annoying 100-200 damage cursed spheres into waste TP attacks that do 0 damage. I love it.

SE turned the two weakest, most useless Valor pieces (head/feet) into very helpful and "must-get" pieces. Pld got a lot stronger for tanking NMs that were too strong to be tanked with /war. Even plds that do go pld/nin will find it easier to hold hate with sentinel. We're still weak in TP-burns, but in "normal" xp pts and HNMs, we're very powerful and should become the standard tank for almost everything now.

The pld boosts are all we need now to be the best possible tank. Other than a slight tweak to help in TP-burns (or boost IT mobs xp to help other jobs as well), there's nothing more we need. The new boosts, new armor and new sword is all we need. I'm happy with what I got (still greedy, so more is good)