PLD Update Effects

[Epoxy]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

How is that relevant to this thread?

As said before, Rampart brought Lava Spit down to 0 dmg, which is pretty damn hot. While camping Ulli, Sentinel (with AF2 feet macro'd in) made the statues hit me for 6, 12, 12, 18, etc and last hit before it wore off was a crit for 80. That was with no food, protect or defender. The JA changes are hot as hell. Now someone make Khimaira pop plz.

And how is that relevant? You're just stating the same shit everyone else already knows by now. Welcome to the internet.

[Cephius]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

How is that relevant to this thread?

As said before, Rampart brought Lava Spit down to 0 dmg, which is pretty damn hot. While camping Ulli, Sentinel (with AF2 feet macro'd in) made the statues hit me for 6, 12, 12, 18, etc and last hit before it wore off was a crit for 80. That was with no food, protect or defender. The JA changes are hot as hell. Now someone make Khimaira pop plz.

And how is that relevant? You're just stating the same shit everyone else already knows by now. Welcome to the internet.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't hate from mazurka dependant on how many people it hits? So for stuff like Cerberus or Khimera when mages have to stay a good distance away from the tanks, it might not be as effective as it is on other fights.

[Grey Jorildyn]

One thing I did notice was when Phalanx II is active (not sure how many merits the RDM had in it, but probably just 1), I did not receive the Magic Shield effect from Rampart.

[Kaylia]

Anyone tried Ultima with pld since the update?

[layoneil]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't hate from mazurka dependant on how many people it hits? So for stuff like Cerberus or Khimera when mages have to stay a good distance away from the tanks, it might not be as effective as it is on other fights.

you're right but all you need is 3 people to be in range for it to be effective.

[Krandor]

Anyone tried Ultima with pld since the update?

About the same mostly, the mass enmity boost from Sentinel is nice after CB and for just keeping hate near the end in general. I never had my Rampart up during a CB though, if I did it would have taken all of the ones that hit me to under 1000 damage.

[Isildur]

My LS would do Ultima on sunday but considering its xmas eve, we'll have to pass it up, i was looking forward to personally seeing Rampart own CB.

The MDB on Rampart might be stackable with other Rampart effects, from other's experience with Rampart it seems like it averages out to like a -50% reduction from resisting magic. On Wednesday, we had 3 PLDs for Kirin and when we dealth with Suzaku i popped Rampart during Chainspell and took 0 damage Firaga III / Firaga III / Flare all in a row, i also had Shell V on but i find this effect to be quite stronger than others are experiencing. About 5 seconds after my "Isildur's Magic Defense Boost wears off" i got another "Isildur's Magic Defense Boost wears off".....so it would seem that it could have some serious stackable effects if 2 PLDs pop Rampart w/ relic head, 0 damage magic attacks for 45 seconds mmmmmm.


I like the Sentinel reduction most of all, i dont have enough +Enmity gear to make PLD/NIN more effective than PLD/WAR right now so mostly i just go /WAR unless its Ultima/Wyrms....etc. I have Guardian fully merited and its definetly worth it, a -56% hate loss on top of whatever Enmity control you get now during Sentinel makes it possible to keep hate unbelievably well, MNKs in Dynamis are absurdly weak now and no melees really tend to grab hate once you pop Sentinel, i cant wait to see how well the hate control effects DL now.


Another issue i've been thinking about is if somebody fully merited Iron Will, with the -spell interrupt on shield blocking now its almost worth it...popping Sentinel/Rampart during Hundred Fists would make PLD pretty much a fully independant tank with that much -spell interruption on and the damage reduction from Sentinel.

[Krandor]

o.o Wait, maybe I missed it

I thought Rampart was a Stoneskin for set damage

[Lyramion]

Brainfart:

PLD might rly be a cool WHM sub now. You get autorefresh plus the "oh shit" ability Sentinel to make some hits into very low dmg.

Then again maybe sub Sentinel is restricted - anyone bored enough to test

[Krandor]

On KI I believe it was stated that the bonus is half of what PLD main gets when subbed, so 50% reduction at the start then begins trailing off.

[Isildur]

Rampart probably is a set damage, but maybe Rampart being stacked could increase the damage absorbed....either all 3 PLDs resisted 3 spells in a row from Suzaku or it has a specific percent reduction per spell that can be stacked....if its the latter, then SE will probably try to fix it in the near future. Later on Wednesday night i popped Rampart during a Searing Light from Carbuncle and took 962 damage, which didnt seem like a kick ass damage reduction compared to what i experienced from Suzaku earlier that day.

Either way im just glad SE finally got around to fixing Rampart.

[Krandor]

I popped it for a different PLD on Tuesday's Ultima as I was running out of CB range and he still took a hefty chunk of damage, so that led me to think that it's a set amount of damage absorption instead of a boost to MDB.

[Vobent]

Brainfart:

PLD might rly be a cool WHM sub now. You get autorefresh plus the "oh shit" ability Sentinel to make some hits into very low dmg.

Then again maybe sub Sentinel is restricted - anyone bored enough to test

Doesn't sentinal give more hate then normal?
I mean you can click it off, but still.

[asze]

Brainfart:

PLD might rly be a cool WHM sub now. You get autorefresh plus the "oh shit" ability Sentinel to make some hits into very low dmg.

Then again maybe sub Sentinel is restricted - anyone bored enough to test

Edit: Didn't read the "quote, quote".

Yeah WHM shouln't sub PLD unless you feel like getting eaten.

[Helpoemer]

Brainfart:

PLD might rly be a cool WHM sub now. You get autorefresh plus the "oh shit" ability Sentinel to make some hits into very low dmg.

Then again maybe sub Sentinel is restricted - anyone bored enough to test

Doesn't sentinal give more hate then normal?
I mean you can click it off, but still.

not to mention that you should stop casting Cure IV on the tank as WHM, cos you shouldn't be pulling hate in the first place :X

[Vobent]

Brainfart:

PLD might rly be a cool WHM sub now. You get autorefresh plus the "oh shit" ability Sentinel to make some hits into very low dmg.

Then again maybe sub Sentinel is restricted - anyone bored enough to test

Doesn't sentinal give more hate then normal?
I mean you can click it off, but still.

not to mention that you should stop casting Cure IV on the tank as WHM, cos you shouldn't be pulling hate in the first place :X

I don't, the other WHMs do..don't blame me

[Vygun]

got a good test on rampert today when tiamat popped. The way I had it figured I was absorbing 315-320 dmg with rampert. Usually 1st wing hit for 0 and then 2nd hit for 5 or so. Didn't wear any resist gear to make it as accurate as possible. I did this several times and it was very consistent.

[Bluedemon]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

How is that relevant to this thread?

As said before, Rampart brought Lava Spit down to 0 dmg, which is pretty damn hot. While camping Ulli, Sentinel (with AF2 feet macro'd in) made the statues hit me for 6, 12, 12, 18, etc and last hit before it wore off was a crit for 80. That was with no food, protect or defender. The JA changes are hot as hell. Now someone make Khimaira pop plz.

And how is that relevant? You're just stating the same shit everyone else already knows by now. Welcome to the internet.

Weee i started quote train. My whole point had nothing to do with NIN/WAR vs NIN/DRK vs NIN/BRD. I merely noted my observations from a NINs point of view on how ithe updates have made PLD capable of generating much more hate than they were ever capable of before. Previously a well geared NIN/WAR could share hate with a PLD, now I believe its near impossible to the point where /WAR will need to become obsolete. Oh how times are a changing.

[Tekki]

Sentinel buys me another 30sec off my invincible! 8D

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[Norelco]

The emnity PLD have now is also pretty insane. This adjustment literally puts NIN/WAR out of business as far as tanking is concerned. As NIN/DRK last night on some Gods it took me until about 3/4 of the way through the fight to finally pick some hate off the PLDs, I'm positive if I were NIN/WAR i wouldn't have ever seen hate once.

Why would you ever use NIN/WAR over NIN/BRD?

How is that relevant to this thread?

As said before, Rampart brought Lava Spit down to 0 dmg, which is pretty damn hot. While camping Ulli, Sentinel (with AF2 feet macro'd in) made the statues hit me for 6, 12, 12, 18, etc and last hit before it wore off was a crit for 80. That was with no food, protect or defender. The JA changes are hot as hell. Now someone make Khimaira pop plz.

And how is that relevant? You're just stating the same shit everyone else already knows by now. Welcome to the internet.

Weee i started quote train. My whole point had nothing to do with NIN/WAR vs NIN/DRK vs NIN/BRD. I merely noted my observations from a NINs point of view on how ithe updates have made PLD capable of generating much more hate than they were ever capable of before. Previously a well geared NIN/WAR could share hate with a PLD, now I believe its near impossible to the point where /WAR will need to become obsolete. Oh how times are a changing.

Yeah I couldn't believe it either...on Byakko I held it for a good portion. Was very happy.