Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[safer]

its only rewarding in the sense that when you walk out of the zone, at least you have something with you... people get frustrated when you do a zone and come out with nothing physical

i dont agree with that mentality but it turns off alot of people from salvage... =/

[Archeons]

I was thinking about how trying to pop the Poroggo Madames again, and came up with another silly thing to try. Has anyone ever popped all 4 Poroggo Gents on the first floor, but didn't kill any? Just wait for the 4th one to pop and widescan for a Madame I suppose. I can't think of much else to try besides just skipping normal mobs. Or it's also likely there is no Madame on the first floor.

Also, on the sixth floor has anyone killed the manticore reinforcements with the rampart still alive? Maybe it's another Steam Cleaner type pop.

It's clear there's some sort of weird method to pop all the Poroggo Madames that haven't been popped yet. I'm still amazed that clearing those rooms of Poroggo Gents on the 4th floor didn't pop a Madame considering what a pain it is to clear those rooms.

We popped all 4 Gents, this Gents correspond to the 2nd floor door(we assumed) . All 2nd floor door is now opened for you to farm, if you killed all 4 gents on the 1st floor.

[Millael]

Nope. All 4 doors are always open to farm on floor two. You just have to fight your way through the first room you pop into, is all. All that killing the gents does for you is assure that you have 12 of each cell by the time you finish the first floor.

[divisortheory]

Nope. All 4 doors are always open to farm on floor two. You just have to fight your way through the first room you pop into, is all. All that killing the gents does for you is assure that you have 12 of each cell by the time you finish the first floor.

So after clearing the first room + the mamool that spawns, all 3 remaining doors unlock at once? I thought only a specific door unlocks, and then to get another door to unlock you have to go clear that next room as well.

[Archeons]

Nope. All 4 doors are always open to farm on floor two. You just have to fight your way through the first room you pop into, is all. All that killing the gents does for you is assure that you have 12 of each cell by the time you finish the first floor.

Ah, thank you for the info. Now i can kill one of my ls member who made it up.

edit: Have you ever tried not to kill all 4 gents on the 1st floor and go up to the 2nd floor?

[Millael]

So after clearing the first room + the mamool that spawns, all 3 remaining doors unlock at once? I thought only a specific door unlocks, and then to get another door to unlock you have to go clear that next room as well.

Nope. All four rooms are open. When we go in to farm, we clear the first room (Stupidly enough, I keep forgetting to go for the Lizards instead of the Wyverns first, wasting a LOT of time), and then kill ~4 mobs from all the other rooms. We never, ever clear another room unless we really get dicked on body drops.

[divisortheory]

edit: Have you ever tried not to kill all 4 gents on the 1st floor and go up to the 2nd floor?

When I did this, we only killed 1 gent. It was the southeast gent.

We exited to Floor 2 through Southwest portal. Before killing all wyverns, I confirmed NE door was locked (I could not enter the room with lizards). After killing the wyverns and mamool ja that spawned, the door was unlocked. I did not check the NW or SE doors to see if they had unlocked.

[Archeons]

edit: Have you ever tried not to kill all 4 gents on the 1st floor and go up to the 2nd floor?

When I did this, we only killed 1 gent. It was the southeast gent.

We exited to Floor 2 through Southwest portal. Before killing all wyverns, I confirmed NE door was locked (I could not enter the room with lizards). After killing the wyverns and mamool ja that spawned, the door was unlocked. I did not check the NW or SE doors to see if they had unlocked.

Umm, you replied a bit late now he is rebuking me -.- I am dead.

[Millael]

When I did this, we only killed 1 gent. It was the southeast gent.

We exited to Floor 2 through Southwest portal. Before killing all wyverns, I confirmed NE door was locked (I could not enter the room with lizards). After killing the wyverns and mamool ja that spawned, the door was unlocked. I did not check the NW or SE doors to see if they had unlocked.

I might have worded this poorly. All three doors are unlocked upon killing the first mamool, yes. I've never actually checked the door of the room you port into before clearing the room, so I figured you were locked in the room you started in until you killed the mamool.

[Archeons]

When I did this, we only killed 1 gent. It was the southeast gent.

We exited to Floor 2 through Southwest portal. Before killing all wyverns, I confirmed NE door was locked (I could not enter the room with lizards). After killing the wyverns and mamool ja that spawned, the door was unlocked. I did not check the NW or SE doors to see if they had unlocked.

I might have worded this poorly. All three doors are unlocked upon killing the first mamool, yes. I've never actually checked the door of the room you port into before clearing the room, so I figured you were locked in the room you started in until you killed the mamool.

Have you ever actually opened all 4 doors? And did you remember if you actually didn't kill the gents on the 1st floor?

[Millael]

Yes. Two nights ago, I opened all 4 doors without killing ANY gents on the first floor. We ported up into the SW room with the feet drops, killed that mamool, and then proceeded to kill 3-4 mobs from each other room, opening every door,

[Archeons]

Yes. Two nights ago, I opened all 4 doors without killing ANY gents on the first floor. We ported up into the SW room with the feet drops, killed that mamool, and then proceeded to kill 3-4 mobs from each other room, opening every door,

Thank you, now i can rebuke at him again

[Julian]

//mob distribution was weird and kinda hard to read in this floor ;x

I quoted the only thing that really caught my eye. So you were wrong before but 100% correct this time? For all we know on the 4th floor you can't pop the Poroggo Madame on the North side until you go to the second instance of that floor. Not exactly ironclad evidence that there is or isn't an NM here and/or there. Your list still places a Madame on the 6th floor, which has reportedly been completed wiped out by some groups. If there's been a report of anyone sighting a Madame above the 3rd floor I've yet to read about it.

Some of us are trying to find that "new info" you keep being a dick to people about not providing, and all you can do is either keep telling us we're saying stuff that's been said already or try to prove you know everything about what can and can't be true about this zone. So, enlighten us then, how do you spawn those remaining Madames? Oh, don't know? Then I'll explicitly give you the same advice you've implicitly been giving everyone in this thread: don't enter the conversation until you have something further to add of some utility.

No one has reported clearing the whole 6th floor.

And if someone already did, that means the door didn't open, which would lead to this zone being unfinished/broken, which could also mean the Poroggos are unpoppable.

I haven't added any info because my LS has stopped doing this zone, for obvious reasons. All I've been doing is correcting people who are doing runs and haven't bothered reading the whole thread, and keep saying things that have already been proven otherwise.

Sure I may not be right all the time, and I would gladly like to be proven wrong, but hey, did you know? A good portion of the info here has been contributed by myself and my LS. How much have you contributed?

Edit: Also, the list wasn't wrong before. Look at it, I pointed out the possibility that the one on the 1st could be in the 2nd, and the originally 2nd one after Jakko could be on 3rd, which came to be the case, and it was modified. All the other Madames are in explainable locations.

If anyone is doing this zone anytime soon and plans on popping Madames, could you go into the dats and change the Madame names to something different? Like Madame 1, Madame 2, etc, so that we can confirm 100% if the location of the Poroggos in the dat corresponds to where they are placed in the zone.

[nekoshoonen]

Sorry for not reading the whole 10 pages, wiki says that level 15 armour drops off the Madames, any ideas which madames? second floor ones? 3rd floor ones? any?

Also if someone who has read this throughout could update wiki it would be good ^^

[Sykes]

This would be the 3rd Floor North Poroggo Madame. As far as I know, only the Socket and both 3rd Floor Madames have been popped, and the 3rd Floor North one is the only one of those that drops armor.

Presumably 1 Madame on floors 4, 5, and 6 each drop armor as well; however, as far as I know, none of these have been popped.

[Millael]

The way this zone works for drops seems to be as follows.

There are two paths one can take in this zone. The West/south path is the "boss" path. HP/MP/Stat cells all drop here, there are fewer mobs, and everything's generally happy. No armor pieces drop here, but it prepares you for taking down the chariot at the end. The North/East path is the "armor" path. Once you pick one path or the other on floor 3, you've basically decided how the rest of your run is going to go. If you take the West path on floor 3, you'll have an easier path to the end, and cells will drop for you all the way through the fourth floor. However, you won't see any 15s drop in the run, nor, quite possibly, 35s. This seems to be the path for boss items only. The Madames here seem to only drop cells,.

Going East will lock you into a pain in the ass run for items. You won't get any stat or HP/MP cells, and you'll be fighting casters the entire time. However, all damage is scaled, since you're dealing with such a shady amount of HP/MP, and drops seem to be 100% from the Madame NMs. This seems to be the one zone where you really can't have everything at once.

[Sykes]

You can farm the West/South path of the 3rd Floor for cells then double back to the East/North path for the NMs. We usually farm just enough on the west path to get just what we need, then move back east. The monsters on the 4th and 5th Floors of both paths both drop cells.

I still agree that the West/South path is definitely the easiest way to the boss, but you don't have to sacrifice cell drops if you want to go for NMs.

It's pretty hard to deal with Poroggos on the 4th floor with no HP because Water Bomb hurts pretty hard.

[Faranim]

Just sharing info from my run tonight here...

The goal was to farm cards so we can pop the NM in Silver Sea.

Group was:
PT #1: MNK THF BLM BLM RDM WHM
PT #2: PLD DRK MNK RDM WHM BRD

Cleared entire SE wing to get weapons for everyone (this was probably a waste of time now that I think about it)

Then sent PT #1 to clear NE for Magic, while PT #2 did SW for enough SJ (PLD, THF, BRD, RDMs) and then NW for Abilities (Melees, RDMs)

Warped to floor 2 using NE portal with 1 hour left.

Cleared entire NE room, then sent PT #1 to NW, PT #2 to SE to farm Hands and Head. After getting around 6 Hands, PT #2 went to SW to get some Feet while PT #1 full cleared the NW room + Mamool.

Warped to floor 3 with 45 mins left.

On Floor 3, went West/South path. Cleared the first 2 rooms of mamools (NIN and DRG) to get some stats and HP/MP, then sneak/invis to Rampart, killed, warped to floor 4 with 35 mins left.

On floor 4, went straight to ramparts and killed 3/4 hoping for cards. We were holding the Marids with sleep and things got rough so we used portal before killing the 4th Rampart to avoid killing BLMs. 25 mins left.

On floor 5, cleared all gears, rampart, and chariot. 3 Cards total. with 7 minutes left, rather than going to 6th floor, we backtracked to the smaller dead-end room on 5th floor. There's 3 Ramparts in there, they can use Reinforcements to summon Slimes. The ramparts drop chests with a ton of drinks (barbarians, oracles, etc.). We killed all 3 ramparts, but timed out with 2 Slimes asleep.

I don't know if anyone has ever fully cleared the 5th floor before, but we came very close.

Edit: No NM popped in the dead end room, but we had no time left to check the rest of the floor for NMs.

[aurik]

Just saw a few SS of the battleclad chariot's special move:
1) 1 single person takes 2941 -- looks like they had -2% mdmg from a 3000dmg attack
2) 2 people take 1650 and 2200 -- looks like they had -25% mdmg and -0% mdmg from a 2200dmg attack

So it's not pure 1000needles, it's magic damage, and it looks rape-a-licious.

(http://aircommand.blog15.fc2.com/blog-entry-31.html)

[Julian]

Any reliable translation for the 6th floor?

Babelfish'd it kind of sounds like they killed all 12 gears and the chariot, but it's kinda hard to tell.

Aircommand isn't on right now, I'll try to catch him sometime and ask him.