Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[Lhayla]

last night we got no rings at ALL. didn't even know that was possible. complete waste of a run.

Happened to us once, long long time ago. But we always knew that was possible. It was a mistake, we were splitting zones and took no thief to Zhayolm. Well... lesson learned.

[Ferien]

Logging for 5F Madame, etc

Tested this weekend, doesn't work.

[Cl0ud7]

anyone ever do a zhayolm and not have one undulatus drop?

[jibini]

anyone ever do a zhayolm and not have one undulatus drop?

Yup, had it happen with both undulatus and virga before. Both with TH3.

It sucks, and there's nothing you can reasonably do about it.

[Cl0ud7]

wow...talk about a waste of 1500AP and you cant pop the frog you want

[rithridan]

Seriously I'm getting so fucking sick of those frogs from hell who do nothing but charmga. I can't remember the last time we've done all frogs + boss because theres always 1 of those assholes who likes to back-to-back charmga or sleepga after charmga then flare or w/e.

Also due to miscommunication we had a person without 1 specific cell when we got on the 5th floor and I tried to do the logout/login trick but it had no effect whatsoever.

Seriously fuck Zhayolm, its the only area where we have actually hit all NMs + boss in 1 run a couple of times but we never get this shit down every time.

[Lyramion]

Maybe you might want to change your frog kill strat. Like if you have MNK MNK THF you gonna have MNKs alternate DD after one gets charmed while everyone else is over "20 - if you get a doublecharm THF takes over while stealing hate from mages over time already.


This doesn´t give you OMGWTF fast kills but gets the job done in workable time. (~10 minutes) a time you can work with aiming for boss.

[Kaylia]

Seriously I'm getting so fucking sick of those frogs from hell who do nothing but charmga. I can't remember the last time we've done all frogs + boss because theres always 1 of those assholes who likes to back-to-back charmga or sleepga after charmga then flare or w/e.

Also due to miscommunication we had a person without 1 specific cell when we got on the 5th floor and I tried to do the logout/login trick but it had no effect whatsoever.

Seriously fuck Zhayolm, its the only area where we have actually hit all NMs + boss in 1 run a couple of times but we never get this shit down every time.

How can your group clear zhayolm completly, but not silversea or arrapago?

Engage frogs the same way you would engage a chariot. 2 melees who give your best dmg/tp, add a 3rd one if you handle the tp given. Make sure all your mage stand at more than 20 radius to avoir charmga and your melee inbetween frog and mage to give mage more space to heal. Might want to alternate dots just in case. When it charm the melee, whoever got hate kite them around the room, and someone else can claim the madame to help the kiter (separating both help a lot on 5th floor since there isnt much room, and madame always stop to cast)

For chorus, Have one of your melee save tp and stun. It's not easy and they will fail, but it speed up fight a lot if theycan stop a few. Frogs dies pretty fast most of the time, even with 2 melees. The reason why I think it's the best to send little people is to give more time to stunner to get ready and pay attention to the next move. With 4 melees, you know it's gonna tp every 3 sec and some will slip

[SamanosukeShiva]

dunno if glitch or not....

during regular ZR frog+boss run I usually average 1k-1,1k asuran @5th+6th frog, but occasionally there's run that I would do 1,6ks-1,8k asuran no difference in gears/food/song/debuff any idea why? lol

[Lyramion]

Frogs change stats and resistance with the days you enter. Sometimes you do big damage but they have hugh HP and other times you do low dmg but they have lower HP.

[Dankster]

Just bring a blu in a haste set-up. Make sure they are hasted and dual march'd, this will put your headbutt recast around 3 seconds. Spam headbutt nonstop. If you get a good timing down you can keep him stunned through 90%+ of his tp moves. When he gets into a long cast it can throw the timing off but most of the times you can kill the frogs with 1,2 and very often 0 chorus's getting off. We wont even go with no blu there for headbutt, its that good. Also make sure your blu eats sushi has echo's macro'd.

[Kylen]

Quick question... how hard would it be to hit the 5F and 6F frogs in the same run as the 3F-North Madame? We're going after it for someone who's 2/3 on Morrigan Hands. We'd obviously skip the 1st floor frog, do the usual 2F cell farming with Madame+Jakko, then farm the 3 West rooms on the 3rd floor to unlock the tanks/RDM, then backtrack and clear the entire east/north wing; that's 44 Mamools total plus pets and the Rampart. Would there still be enough time to do the 5F and 6F Madames, and if so how tight would time be?

[Kaylia]

Quick question... how hard would it be to hit the 5F and 6F frogs in the same run as the 3F-North Madame? We're going after it for someone who's 2/3 on Morrigan Hands. We'd obviously skip the 1st floor frog, do the usual 2F cell farming with Madame+Jakko, then farm the 3 West rooms on the 3rd floor to unlock the tanks/RDM, then backtrack and clear the entire east/north wing; that's 44 Mamools total plus pets and the Rampart. Would there still be enough time to do the 5F and 6F Madames, and if so how tight would time be?

We timed out on mega at 20% last time we did 3F North, 5F,6F (6 people). I'm pretty sure you can do it easily...mega, not as much, but a good group could do it.

[rithridan]

*rant*

How can your group clear zhayolm completly, but not silversea or arrapago?

Engage frogs the same way you would engage a chariot. 2 melees who give your best dmg/tp, add a 3rd one if you handle the tp given. Make sure all your mage stand at more than 20 radius to avoir charmga and your melee inbetween frog and mage to give mage more space to heal. Might want to alternate dots just in case. When it charm the melee, whoever got hate kite them around the room, and someone else can claim the madame to help the kiter (separating both help a lot on 5th floor since there isnt much room, and madame always stop to cast)

For chorus, Have one of your melee save tp and stun. It's not easy and they will fail, but it speed up fight a lot if theycan stop a few. Frogs dies pretty fast most of the time, even with 2 melees. The reason why I think it's the best to send little people is to give more time to stunner to get ready and pay attention to the next move. With 4 melees, you know it's gonna tp every 3 sec and some will slip

For SSR we've yet to do Hammerblow/Powderkeg/GGears/CC and boss in one run. We can manage getting all that minus the CC though, but we have only recently started doing CC. For Arrapago we can hit 1 QQA, 2 QQTHs, Flayer or Bhoot, Chariot and boss but we haven't been able to pop the 6th floor QQTHs or done 5th QQA in a boss run. Yet in Zhayolm we have done 5FN, 6F and boss a few times but never consistently thanks to the frogs of hell.

[Aselin]

Quick question... how hard would it be to hit the 5F and 6F frogs in the same run as the 3F-North Madame? We're going after it for someone who's 2/3 on Morrigan Hands. We'd obviously skip the 1st floor frog, do the usual 2F cell farming with Madame+Jakko, then farm the 3 West rooms on the 3rd floor to unlock the tanks/RDM, then backtrack and clear the entire east/north wing; that's 44 Mamools total plus pets and the Rampart. Would there still be enough time to do the 5F and 6F Madames, and if so how tight would time be?

We timed out on mega at 20% last time we did 3F North, 5F,6F (6 people). I'm pretty sure you can do it easily...mega, not as much, but a good group could do it.

My group has done 3F, 5F and 6F Frogs and Boss, but the catch was that we had only 10 seconds left after the boss died. We nearly lost two Lvl 25 Marduk Feet. Luckily we passed/lotted fast. The problem is that the 5F Frog takes a lot of time if it spams Frog Chorus. We can do 3F, 5F or 6F Frog plus Boss with 5 to 10 minutes left, but only two Frogs can be popped-- 3F & 5F or 3F & 6F.

I'm sure that once we get faster and better at distribution of Cells and kill the Frogs with little problems, it is highly possibly to do all three within the same run. The only thing working against us is time and Frog Chorus. Some days it won't spam as much and other days it will.

Also, this is only possible with a small group between 6 to 8 people.

[mallister]

boned again by no rings during our latest game of frog baseball. that's 3 no ringers and 1 no ranged in a month. bastards. TH3 in party each time.

[Aselin]

boned again by no rings during our latest game of frog baseball. that's 3 no ringers and 1 no ranged in a month. bastards. TH3 in party each time.

One run we had only 2 ranged cells and made a mistake of not duplicating them on the 2F Poroggo Madame.

We found out that by killing the Poroggos off the 4F before you go to the 5F Poroggo Madame can give you a ranged cell. That or multiple MP (Spiss) cells. The frogs there drop gear and armor cells.

The only catch is that it takes time away from killing the boss if going there or killing the 5F/6F Frogs.

[jibini]

boned again by no rings during our latest game of frog baseball. that's 3 no ringers and 1 no ranged in a month. bastards. TH3 in party each time.

We found out that by killing the Poroggos off the 4F before you go to the 5F Poroggo Madame can give you a ranged cell. That or multiple MP (Spiss) cells. The frogs there drop gear and armor cells.

The only catch is that it takes time away from killing the boss if going there or killing the 5F/6F Frogs.

I've always heard it's a pretty low drop rate to start with, combined with the fact that there's no way to target any particular cell, so it can get very time consuming very quickly.

[Aselin]

We had this odd glitch happen to us today: 5F Poroggo Madame did not pop.

Three of us were fully unlocked (stats, HP/MP, ability, subjob, gears, and weapons) by the time we hit the 4F.

I am not sure if this affected it but it was Earthsday with single Earth weather by the time we got to the 5F North.

Any idea?

[cdgreg]

We had this odd glitch happen to us today: 5F Poroggo Madame did not pop.

Three of us were fully unlocked (stats, HP/MP, ability, subjob, gears, and weapons) by the time we hit the 4F.

I am not sure if this affected it but it was Earthsday with single Earth weather by the time we got to the 5F North.

Any idea?

No, but you will get about 5 replies saying "someone wasn't fully unlocked."