Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[chapstick]

We had this odd glitch happen to us today: 5F Poroggo Madame did not pop.

Three of us were fully unlocked (stats, HP/MP, ability, subjob, gears, and weapons) by the time we hit the 4F.

I am not sure if this affected it but it was Earthsday with single Earth weather by the time we got to the 5F North.

Any idea?

No, but you will get about 5 replies saying "someone wasn't fully unlocked."

Someone lied and wasn't fully unlocked.

[Valyana]

We had a Zhayolm run where one of our unlockers saved a cell until we got to 5F madame room, used the cell to be fully unlocked, and Madame didn't pop. Eventually we had him relog, and then the Madame popped.

[mallister]

super drops night, demios' leggings: O and 35 skadi legs for our thf. only one 35 left for our group here, another ares feet needed. now it's boss farming time, should have our first completed pieces in the next few weeks. /excited!

[Minichu]

super drops night, demios' leggings: O and 35 skadi legs for our thf. only one 35 left for our group here, another ares feet needed. now it's boss farming time, should have our first completed pieces in the next few weeks. /excited!

AR boss has been a bitch to us..been sitting with 4 35s for a month...last AR boss decided to drop 2 brd bodies -.-

[mallister]

i'm as almost as tired of zhaylom now as i was when we started rotating SS/Z to take a break from a-rape-we-go. not looking forward to going back, at least the frogs put out occasionally and are sort of fun to fight. we're done with macha/demios body in AR, which is a good thing. if i never have to kill another rat it'll be too soon.

[Nitecon]

Just got completely jewed out of both our 35 Frogs, possibly my own fault for popping ranged cell on Thf from opening chest without being part of the 3 pathos. Nevertheless, we didn't get a single ranged cell on the 2nd floor. So this already fucked our chances on 3 pathos. We somehow lost a ring cell (6 ppl, 6 ring cells dropped), which would have cleared my Pathos for popping the South side 5th Floor Frog, which would have saved the run slightly by allowing us to pop the 6th Floor with 4 Frogs killed (we forgot SSR Card), so we ended up doing the 3rd Floor 15 NM, which we almost got fucked over on too. Charmed at 1% with Dia on the NM is not a fun moment.

I guess it's SE's way of saying "you already got a 35 Macha's Pigaches from an earlier run, no more 35s for you today assholes!"

I never would have believed that it could happen like that, even if I had kept the ranged cell for the 2nd floor socket NM, we still only would have gotten 2 Ranged. I was frantically searching both BGwiki and the other Wiki for info on ranged cells in the zone, but to no avail.

Out of curiosity, what does the 5th Floor South Side Frog drop?

[Bakthi]

5FS madame only drops a chest with meds, but at least you can "count" that as an NM kill to pop 6F, and so get something out of the run. You only need 1 unlock for that, so it can be a backup plan.

PS: I've had the 3FS madame die unclaimed to DoT before, and it still counted towards spawning 6F. This is another reason I like to pop the 1F madame; if by the time you get to 3F, you know something is wrong and you can't pop 5FN, or as in your case you can't even pop 5FS, you could always just kill 3FS instead (easier than 5FS anyway) and still get 6F.

[9627]

On the 6F chariot+gears pull can I sac pull the chariot and then just clear the gears, then kill the chariot? Or will the chariot respawn the gears once they are all dead?

[meson]

On the 6F chariot+gears pull can I sac pull the chariot and then just clear the gears, then kill the chariot? Or will the chariot respawn the gears once they are all dead?

The gears will not respawn. You can kill the chariot and gears in any order.

[Suiram]

We used to sac the chariot, but now have found it easier to just pull it, kill any gears that come with it, and then kill it before moving on to the rest of the room. Usually get 1-2 gears, occasionally 3 if no weather. If you have weather then you may end up with more than you can handle, so I don't know that I can recommend it in that situation. The ramparts in the side rooms will not link, so you can pull the chariot in there and hold it or kite it around while people kill off the gears that came with. Regurgitation bind lands on it easily, so I assume regular bind would, too. This way you keep everyone alive and unweakened, and save someone a little exp, too.

[Moonguard]

Read somewhere about someone logging off, then logged back on and 5fN was up even with 2 people unlocked only. Happened with us today, 2 people was fully unlocked. I saved mp cell incase we had to run into Rampart room so didn't use it.
Did the BLM sleepga II all gears and log out trick. When he came back the Madame popped instantly. Blm lacked some gears only, but he was definitely not fully unlocked. Could it be because the pathos aren't applied into you right away (a few secs delay) so the server assumed he was unlocked?

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6589/bugxt0.th.jpg

Gonna try this again hopefully tomorrow and see if it works again.

[Shassira]

Well, it's not really too far fetched to think it's possible. Maybe the checks for poping the frogs are made every X time, you could assume every game tick even if you want, while when you log back in the pathos effect takes a bit to be reapplied, so if a "check tick" coincides with the moment that person has no pathos, it could trigger the pop. This could, somewhat, explain why people seem to get mixed results with this.

On the other hand though, it doesn't completely explain why it doesn't pop when people are dead (in contraposition to 1F frog not poping while people are dead... aka, without pathos). I can only assume there is some kind of check to protect the frog from poping with dead people.

[cdgreg]

That's interesting, I thought that was proven not to work I look forward to more evidence. As for the blm sleepga trick, I've thought about this before but figured it may turn out messy due to magic agro or links. Do you have a THF agro the room then sleepga II and both log out in the hallway? Or a blm cast from 20.1' and hope he doesnt link then log out? Or rely on a fanatics to agro/sleep the room then log out?

[Moonguard]

It varies who we have available. Usuall the THF just flee and aggro the whole room, and BLM sleepga asap (use ES before pull). Then both run to the south room and log off asap. If it's a new thf we just tell him to PD to be safe. Or last option we use our nin with max -damage gear to aggro the whole room and blm sleepga.

[Neosutra]

Just got completely jewed out of both our 35 Frogs, possibly my own fault for popping ranged cell on Thf from opening chest without being part of the 3 pathos. Nevertheless, we didn't get a single ranged cell on the 2nd floor. So this already fucked our chances on 3 pathos. We somehow lost a ring cell (6 ppl, 6 ring cells dropped), which would have cleared my Pathos for popping the South side 5th Floor Frog, which would have saved the run slightly by allowing us to pop the 6th Floor with 4 Frogs killed (we forgot SSR Card), so we ended up doing the 3rd Floor 15 NM, which we almost got fucked over on too. Charmed at 1% with Dia on the NM is not a fun moment.

I guess it's SE's way of saying "you already got a 35 Macha's Pigaches from an earlier run, no more 35s for you today assholes!"

I never would have believed that it could happen like that, even if I had kept the ranged cell for the 2nd floor socket NM, we still only would have gotten 2 Ranged. I was frantically searching both BGwiki and the other Wiki for info on ranged cells in the zone, but to no avail.

Out of curiosity, what does the 5th Floor South Side Frog drop?

Just want to point out that:

EVERY time that we have been dicked on ranged on the 2nd floor (about 5 times in around 100 ZRs) there was a ranged in the starter chest. Ofcourse it could be random no correlation, but its always a safe bet to save the ranged/rings in chest till second floor.

[Sai]

In about 75 zhay runs, I've only seen the 2nd floor not drop any ranged cells once, which was fairly recently. It ended up being a wasted run, but after we exited I was told that the run could have been saved by killing gents in 4F south. Otherwiki has them listed as dropping 3 or 6 armor cells, so I'm assuming that means random armor which could include ranged. Yeah, 5F madame would be a total loss but at least popping the 6F madame would seem doable. Please correct me if I'm wrong about the gents.

[Quendi]

Just had a question that was probably covered in the previous 80 something pages, but dont feel like going through every single page. Does any group, when needing the Battleclad Chariot, try popping the fifth floor madame in the same run? We just tried this, and probably would have done it, had we not wiped on the sixth floor, not knowing the gears popped in random places when the chariot is pulled. Regardless, killed the fifth floor frog and got the chariot down to 50% w/ a full wipe in there. So probably could have done it had we known the mechanics of the gears on the 6th floor better. Any other groups try this regularly?

[Shassira]

It's indeed in this thread and a couple others.

Some people do 5F+6F+Chariot, other people manage with only 5F+Boss (which should come rather easily). Setups vary and strategies vary, but all the clues to getting that done are in here explained in oh so many ways. The key point being that yes, it's possible and for some it's actualy easy to do.

[Moonguard]

Haven't had change to test out the log out trick yet since we've been busy with the other zones.

Anyway, we just did ZR boss and though it would be another easy victory. My friend ran in and tanked him, I positioned 9.4 using distant plugin, the rest on top of me, went to the tank and made sure I was 9.4 from the others, then I joined the tanking. Same as usuall, got it to 80% and bam, both tanks died from Discoid, each ate 1666 or something. Hm, maybe my distant was broken. Kited him for 5 mins, then when we was unweaken we did the same thing. First Discoid hitted everyone, so I assumed I screwed up first time. Then 2nd Discoid hitted 5 people only (note that no one was moving, except the brd). Then the 3rd Discoid hitted only me and the tank AGAIN. My friend also tried his distant plugin and both showed the same distance.

Now, we've done the boss enough time to know once you take damage from Discoid you don't move. We did this on wednesay and Discoid hitted everyone as it should have. We'll likely try him again tomorrow, and this time I'll try 8.x something instead

[Crizto]

"Hitted" is not proper grammar or spelling btw. Were your tanks standing on top of each other? You may have been in 10' from one monk, but not the other which would cause for the confusion. Otherwise people were running out of range, no other explanation.