Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[divisortheory]

Also, looks like Airforce may have beaten the boss? Anyone want to translate? They have a SS of boss at like 20% HP

http://aircommand.blog15.fc2.com/

[Suiram]

Sorry I should have posted here a few days ago when we tried this again last Thursday, but I was pretty frustrated at the time for reasons you'll understand below.

This time on floor 6, we hid in a hallway closer to the chariot while I sac-popped the gears. We then killed a single 3-gear, the two 1-gear, and the chariot, but the door didn't open. So it's looking more like the conditions are "clear the entire floor, minus the Ramparts", although it could be something like, "kill the chariot, the 1-gears, and a random trigger 3-gear".

Edit: Just to reiterate what we learned in the last two runs.

Killing the 5th floor Chariot: Unnecessary
Killing all the 6th floor 3-gear, 1-gear, and Chariot: Sufficient
Killing all the 6th floor 3-gear, 1-gear, but not the Chariot: Insufficient
Killing both 6th floor 1-gear and the Chariot: Insufficient

[divisortheory]

Well, we know this much.

Killing 6th floor Chariot: Necessary
Killing 6th floor Rampart: Unnecessary

So the options seem to be:

a) Chariot + all 1 gears + all 3 gears
b) Chariot + all 3 gears
c) Chariot + some 1 gears + some 3 gears

Either way, 3 gears are clearly a requirement, so next time try Chariot, zero 1 gears, and all 3 gears. Airforce's report that I linked above showed them clearing everything but rampart.

[Sci]

The wiki doesn't say anything about Poroggo Madames on any floor except the third. Have the other ones just never been discovered how to pop them? Has anyone ever cleared every mob on 1F?

My group has tried pretty much any dumb idea we could come up with at this point.

1F:
Killed all the mobs + Gents.
Opened a door having no Gents pop at all.
Killed varying numbers of Gents (sometimes we'd skip them if we didn't need more cells of a certain type)

We didn't focus much more on 1F because from the dat monster lists, it doesn't seem like there's a Madame on the first floor.

2F:
We've cleared this entire floor as well, except I don't think we've ever popped the Socket NM.

3F:
People know how to pop the Madames on this floor.

4F:
We've cleared the entire N and S side of Poroggo Gents on seperate runs. I know on one run we killed all the Gents, all the Mamools, and the incorrect Rampart on the N side. This was after we had popped the Madame on the 3F though.
Only ideas I have left are:
- Don't kill the Madame on the 3F and try to clear 4F.
- Fight some of the Rogue Marids that are called from Reinforcements. Maybe when they use TP moves you'll get a Poroggo Madame instead of a Chigoe?

Marids are a long shot I figure though, I don't have a clue why they would put so many Poroggo Gents in the N room and have them drop almost nothing, and not pop a NM.

5F:
We haven't done much besides killing some gears and just porting up to 6F. Very possible that clearing the floor could pop another Madame.

6F:
People have killed all the gears and chariot and no Madame popped. People have killed the Ramparts and no Madame popped.

7F:
Clearly the boss must have some sort of frog cannon.


This zone is getting annoying because it's the only zone that people still don't know where to find all the lvl15 pieces and none of the lvl35 pieces. And the boss has yet to be killed. People may bitch about Arrapago being stingy, but Zhayolm seems to have some really stupid conditions to get much of anything out of it.

[divisortheory]

Arrapago is actually starting to get easy IMO. I think Arrapago will have all its drops discovered very soon, although I think Zhayolm will be easier to clear than Arrapago because it's not hard to get cells in Zhayolm, and it's easy to progress through the floors quickly.

[zard1977]

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Long time lurker first time poster.

Just wanna share my Zhayolm remnants experience today.

First floor: Split to 2 groups, 1 group did puks (SE) and raptors (NW). Other group did cockatrice (NE) and bugard (SW). Weapons given to melee only, the rest are accumulated for the socket NM. Warp at NE room for socket NM.

Second floor: Cleared the room, killed the Mamool Ja Whm that popped. Popped the socket NM got 10 more weapon cells. After that, split into 2 groups again. 1 group did NW wyverns and the other did SW wyverns. Did not clear the room entirely, just warp when we felt we have enough cells.

Third floor: Took the west path, cleared the 3 rooms entirely to get a bunch of stats cells and more importantly, HP cells! Did not kill anything in the 4th (large room) at all if I remember correctly.

Fourth floor: Only pulled Mamool Ja Zenith using SMN. He dropped 3 HP cells if I remember correctly. After that, invis to the rampart room while 1 person stayed behind to warp. Pulled and killed First rampart and teleporter got unlocked (lucky?!).

Fifth floor: Did not kill anything on this floor. Sent a rdm and a rng to the teleporter. Rng just shadowbind the chariot while rdm warped.

Sixth floor: Everyone gathered at the east room while I (thf) used flee and pulled the chariot to the west room and died. This popped 10 gears I think. Killed the gears and the chariot later and the door to the 7th floor is unlocked. Fully buff (especially shell) everyone and then warp to the last floor.

Seventh floor: Reached this floor with about 18min remaining. He is surprisingly easy to defeat. PLD maintained hate throughout the fight and discord divided by abt 6 ppl did not deal much damage at all. Physical and magic damage is reduced by around 50% (not too sure abt magic, might be due to pathos..).

[Suiram]

Wow, congratulations. A few quick questions about Discord. Is the charge-up long enough to where you think it could be reliably stunned? Also, what is the type of AoE? (omni-directional, line of sight, frontal cone) Do you think it would be possible to have a group of people inside Discord range to absorb damage but outside of Discharge/Inertia Stream range so they're not an MP sink for the entire fight?

[divisortheory]

This is amazing news. We're going to be doing another Zhayolm soon, I think we'll take a path similar to yours except we may skip skip the socket NM, and we may opt to do only 1 Wyvern room instead of 2. Amazing drops you got there also, looks like we'll be seeing 2 Usukane Bodies soon enough (Lv. 35 drops from Citadel Chelonian right?)

[zard1977]

According to LS mate, charge up time for discord is shorter than homing missile..
The range of discord seems to be seems to be AoE centred on target with range 10.

[Not Kuno]

How did you split farm the second floor? Whenever I did Zhay the only door that would open would be the next one clockwise, but you farmed NW and SW at the same time? If you went up NE then SE should be opened.

[divisortheory]

How did you split farm the second floor? Whenever I did Zhay the only door that would open would be the next one clockwise, but you farmed NW and SW at the same time? If you went up NE then SE should be opened.

This was a myth that was shown to be false I believe. As soon as you clear 1 room + Mamool, all 3 doors open.


I have some questions too, though.

1) How were you doing on subjob cells when you got to the top floors? After my horrible experiences with Bhaflau Remnants boss, I'm not sure I ever want to try a straight tanking strategy again on any of the bosses, although admittedly this one is probably much easier to straight tank than Long-Bowed. Assuming a BLM nuke and kite strategy, we're going to need a ton of SJ cells for /NIN. Perhaps we can dupe those instead of Weapons though.

2) What do the gears on the top floor drop:

3) Does he hit about the same strength as LBC?

4) Can you put a number on approximately how much damage you were taking from Discord with 6 people in range?

[Not Kuno]

I don't think it was a myth I had tested this myself. ._. Maybe I was just nuts.


Gears just drop cards, rarely. Never had them drop anything else after clearing the entire 5th floor.

[divisortheory]

I don't think it was a myth I had tested this myself. ._. Maybe I was just nuts.


Gears just drop cards, rarely. Never had them drop anything else after clearing the entire 5th floor.

Well I know 6F gears in Arrapago drop tons of shit. But only 6F I think. So I thought it might be the same here.

[zard1977]

1. SJ cells went to 1PLD 1MNK 2WHM 2RDM 2BLM if I remember correctly. 2 other MNKs, 1 WAR, me (thf), 1 RNG 1 BRD 1 SMN went without SJ cells.

2. I don't think the 6th floor gears drop anything, not even a card. Maybe its just horrible luck.

3. Yes, it would seem so. Only 1 PLD and 1 MNK (both SJ NIN) engaged fulltime on it. Other melee only engaged for a few seconds after it did a tp move. I was doing SA and TA only.

4. About 600 with shell V.

Overall this boss is a joke compared to the other salvage bosses since it had no hate reset moves. Depending on the number of ppl, 15~20 min should be enough to take it down.

[zard1977]

For Kuno's question, I was under the impression that the other 3 doors opened as soon as the mamool ja whm was defeated. No one in the LS mentioned that their door was locked either.

[Not Kuno]

I dunno I guess I was just crazy or something. I was 99% sure that all the other doors were locked as I checked them all myself after killing the boss. Maybe they changed it? I did Zhay a loooooooooooong time ago.

[Almalexia]

3. Yes, it would seem so. Only 1 PLD and 1 MNK (both SJ NIN) engaged fulltime on it. Other melee only engaged for a few seconds after it did a tp move. I was doing SA and TA only.

So you had 2 people engaged full time, but 6 were in range and hit by Discord. How did you handle the other attacks (Discharge/Inertia Stream)? If they weren't hit with the other attacks, how did you arrange people to only receive Discord damage?

[zard1977]

The other mnks, war and rng stood in range of the ws (range 10) but did not engage fully. The idea is not to give it too much TP until its about ~30% HP when it starts to have tp-regen like other salvage bosses.

[divisortheory]

So you saved the zerg for the end, and just manaburned it while straight tanking for the first 70%?

Seems easy. Why not have everyone in the alliance stand in range though?

[Arthars]

boss is joke

route to boss is Impossible to guage

if u can beat long bow chariot, i dont see any problems in killing the other bosses