Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[Fridell]

Depends what room you port up to, in either room you arrive at you must pop the mamool to make the door open.

[pchan]

question:
lately a common misconception tells me that the only mamool on 2nd floor that unlocks all the doors is the one at SE. Prove me wrong, all the mamools unlock the other doors - or the doors are always unlocked? I ask because i'm the SAM or MNK and i never go up while our thf or brd does. Just curious

Killing the MMJ unlocks the doors of the other 3 rooms, while the room you warp in is always open. People go NE because of range/rings etc.

[Deemos]

Killing the MMJ unlocks the doors of the other 3 rooms, while the room you warp in is always open. People go NE because of range/rings etc.

So, any of the MMJ unlocks the door of the other 3 rooms. So we can climb from any room, on the first. Thanks

[Fridell]

That's correct.

[Gergall]

On 5F, the THF doesn't need any extra meds to train the gears without dying. Run into the room, get aggro, hit PD, head back to the far corner of the portal room. When the gears enter the room, Flee around them and down into the madame room. The gears will usually stop in the hall, sometimes one will follow into the room, so mages should be on the far side of the room and be careful of magic aggro.

How often does a gear follow the THF into the Madame room?

What do you do when that happens? Are you saying that it still deaggroes, just a bit closer than you'd prefer? Or is it full-on attacking your THF and you have to deal with it?

After the 5F Madame is dead, how do you get past the gears to reach the porter? Powder boots?

[Arkanos]

So, any of the MMJ unlocks the door of the other 3 rooms. So we can climb from any room, on the first. Thanks

You can, but in practice it makes no sense because you'd always want to clear the NE room for more chances at rings/ranged, but will rarely want to clear the other three rooms for extra legs/heads/hands.

My group did this before on accident (ported up NW instead of NE) and the time wasted killing extra mobs meant we weren't able to do the usual 5f/6f/boss routine.

[Valyana]

How often does a gear follow the THF into the Madame room?

I've seen it once. I think maybe the THF didn't actually bring all the gears back to the port room, so it added when he fleed back? Not sure.

What do you do when that happens? Are you saying that it still deaggroes, just a bit closer than you'd prefer?

Right. It came about to the line between the pillars just inside the door and deaggroed. Then it magic aggroed our SCH because he wasn't paying attention to my warnings in /p. So we kept it sleeping.

After the 5F Madame is dead, how do you get past the gears to reach the porter? Powder boots?

Usually our NIN clears the path with either AF boots or Storm Crackows for movement speed, and some others follow behind to port up. It seems that +12% movement is enough to avoid most hits, so anyone with movement gear could do that.

It's also possible to clear the way with Flee, but if you do that anyone following without movement speed will get aggro from gears that deaggroed off the fleer. So if you use Flee, you need someone with movement speed to follow you, or you can do it all yourself: just run to the door, die and reraise, or clear the path to the door, run across the big room from the door, Flee a second time to the door and port up. This obviously requires Powder Boots or Hermes Quencher.

[Finalnub]

well we had our zhayolm run today.. our thf mysteriously disappeared on us >_< so we went with mnkmnk sam/thf rdm whm brd blm. We managed to clear 3FN 5F and timed out on 6F frog.. Got lucky with /thf and the ranged/rings drops. Couple of things..

1 It took us 19min to get past the first floor which was probably way too much time on it. I didn't realize the inner rooms drop 1 cell of each so that probably caused the overfarmage. What's a good time to aim for on the first floor?

2 I as the RDM sac'ed the 5F gear room to cover for the lack of thf there. I tried to gather them all for our blm to ES sleepga but I had a really tough time gathering them all to sleepga. Is there a better way to handle the 5F gear room sans THF?

3 We blew a whole 18~min on the 5F Madame along because of chorus. I had the mnk and sam hold tp for stun and the other MNK ws normally. Should they have 2HRed there? I'm not too sure where the 2hrs should go in a 5+6(no boss)run so any ideas would be cool.

4 As we were timing out I tried to get the WHM/SMN to garuda pull the
the chariot alone but garuda lasted a woefully short time and the attempt failed miserably. Is a carby pull even possible here/feasible?

Thanks for the input guys^^

[Darkhelmet]

I had a real tough time stunning chorus with any weaponskill. Is everyone else using FFXIAPP to do that or something? Or are you just stunning anything that looks like a TP animation?

[Meat]

Flter out everything and you'll see it just fine.

[Drace]

I had a real tough time stunning chorus with any weaponskill. Is everyone else using FFXIAPP to do that or something? Or are you just stunning anything that looks like a TP animation?

Same, even with filters on this is extremely hit or miss for my group. We have just started stunning all TP animation moves... hate to be skeptical, but I don't think everyone touting it as being so easy/ consistent isn't getting a little extra assistance >_>

[Fridell]

It seems that different days you enter can affect the speed they use Charm and or spell with, I'm maybe crazy but that's how it looks for me when we do ZR.

[Drace]

Yea I think there might be something to that. Some days its bascially insta cast, and I don't see how its humanly possible to reliably stun it (these are also the days that it spams Chorus 5+ times along with Sleepga the instant one wears etc...), other days it either doesn't use it much, or we are able to stun the few that it does.

Either way, its pretty much my least favorite mob in the game. We had one a couple of weeks ago that made me flash back to playing Ninja Gaiden on the NES as a kid, and wanting to drop kick that shit off of a skyskraper.

[Wolfknight]

Could always do what my group does and use blu to more or less stunlock[Headbutt/Fry pan/Temp. Shift spam] them as much as possible works much better than having DD trying to stun it in my experience, though w.o blu yea the frogs are a pain for sure.

[Drace]

Yea I used BLU on the run following the last nightmare frog we had. Definitely helped on the frog (though aoe stuns are a tad dangerous because of the ramparts in the room), but we lose a lot of dmg on the rest of the run shifting one of us to BLU. Pretty much no way we are going to be able to farm 5/6/boss with 6-7 if one of us comes BLU.

[Wolfknight]

Yea I used BLU on the run following the last nightmare frog we had. Definitely helped on the frog (though aoe stuns are a tad dangerous because of the ramparts in the room), but we lose a lot of dmg on the rest of the run shifting one of us to BLU. Pretty much no way we are going to be able to farm 5/6/boss with 6-7 if one of us comes BLU.

eh, I've done boss + 5/6 before w/7, used pizza on blu, others were brd cor rdm sam mnk blu thf, and casting big 3/stuns alot on lower floors, we don't lose much time really, but w/o cor and brd though it's rough, and don't get boss done ussually[managed twice w/cor only, never w/brd only] blu switchs to cannonball + diamondhide + Frightful Roar + M. Fruit for support/dmg on boss/chariot went plenty fine, have 3~8 minutes left at end depending on luck w/chorus.
Also jw, how do manage to do 5/6 + boss w/o blu, cause my group never pulled it off, chorus always wastes huge amount of time, and we barely have any left after we kill 6F[enough to clear gears but not chariot/boss]

[Drace]

Those are the runs that the 5F frog is kind to us in terms of chorus. Our setup is almost always BRD, RDM, WHM, Spharai MNK, Amano/Yoichi SAM, THF. Sometimes have a 7th that will usually be a 2nd Yoichi SAM or Mage. I start the frog with Sekkanoki + Meditate + 2 Hour WS spam and as long as it doesnt drop a chorus in the first 10 seconds, that knocks a good 50-60% off right away.

6f is never a problem because its an easy kite if it does get a chorus off, and Soboro/ Yoichi rapes the gears. Boss runs I get to full time Hasso/ Amano and spam Namas while letting the MNK be main tank.

Our entire run hinges on the mood of the 5F frog though... the worst one was a good 25 minute chorus/ sleepga fest (didn't do mega on this run). Also had one run where 5F chorus hit everyone in the zone including 2 separate 2 boxed mules sitting in the first porter room. Pretty sure that frog is actually Satan some days.

[Wolfknight]

Well, I guess if your options are give up relic DD, or blu, then not worth it but blu nice for regular since lets the other two DD ws freely instead of saving for stuns.

[Darkhelmet]

With 2 relics in your group, especially with an optimal setup like you have, you should be doing boss runs in Zhayolm about 90% of the time, regardless of what the frogs decide to do.

Are you splitting your team up on the first and second floor? I found that saves a lot of time. I posted my strategy at the top of this page, or the previous page.. you should try it out.

[Gergall]

Tons of great info, thank you all.