Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[divisortheory]

I'm not saying it's a likely option, just that it shouldn't be discounted. We know it's not a timed pop anymore, so if you go back to Zhayolm for NMs anytime soon, kill the 3rd floor one

[Not Kuno]

But wasnt there an SS or something somewhere of someone getting all the 35s to drop off a NM? Or was the 4th/5th floor nms bullcrap.

[divisortheory]

To my knowledge, nobody has ever gotten a Lv. 35 in this zone to drop off of anything.

[Not Kuno]

To my knowledge, nobody has ever gotten a Lv. 35 in this zone to drop off of anything.

Really? I was like 80% certain there was a JP SS of some pieces dropping or something, and nobody said how they did it. Hmm guess Im going crazy or it was shopped.

[divisortheory]

To my knowledge, nobody has ever gotten a Lv. 35 in this zone to drop off of anything.

Really? I was like 80% certain there was a JP SS of some pieces dropping or something, and nobody said how they did it. Hmm guess Im going crazy or it was shopped.

If you manage to find it lemme know, I'm sure someone on their server could heckle them about it.

[Not Kuno]

Maybe I just remembered wrong then, cause I was pretty sure you posted it. >.>

My bad

[Sci]

It would answer a lot of questions as well. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 3rd floor frog has been killed less than 10 times across all servers, because it's fucking annoying and nobody is really focusing on the ZR > SS > BR route anyway. And I know the 4th floor frog has been killed less than 10 times.

My group has killed the 3F Madames at least 3 times I believe. The North one twice, and the South one at least once. So I think 10 times is a bit low of an estimate.

And to comment on some of the other things. The rampart that takes 0 elemental magic damage didn't open the path for my group once. We had pulled 3 of them before finding the one that doesn't take elemental magic damage, and we killed that one and the portal didn't activate. We then killed another one, and that one was the one opened the portal. It's a good point that killing the ramparts in a certain order might pop a Madame, I'm not sure what other special conditions the ramparts have though. Is there maybe one that can't be debuffed? Or takes no ranged damage? I wonder if you would need to clear out all the Gents and Mamools as well though. The Mamools are simple, but the Gents are a pain in the ass.

Discoid damage is lowered by Shell. We've fought the boss twice, and both times anyone who had Shell V from a WHM always took less damage than people with Shell II up. And it didn't matter what job got hit, WHMs took the same damage as NINs. So MDB traits don't affect it.

[divisortheory]

It would answer a lot of questions as well. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 3rd floor frog has been killed less than 10 times across all servers, because it's fucking annoying and nobody is really focusing on the ZR > SS > BR route anyway. And I know the 4th floor frog has been killed less than 10 times.

My group has killed the 3F Madames at least 3 times I believe. The North one twice, and the South one at least once. So I think 10 times is a bit low of an estimate.

And to comment on some of the other things. The rampart that takes 0 elemental magic damage didn't open the path for my group once. We had pulled 3 of them before finding the one that doesn't take elemental magic damage, and we killed that one and the portal didn't activate. We then killed another one, and that one was the one opened the portal. It's a good point that killing the ramparts in a certain order might pop a Madame, I'm not sure what other special conditions the ramparts have though. Is there maybe one that can't be debuffed? Or takes no ranged damage? I wonder if you would need to clear out all the Gents and Mamools as well though. The Mamools are simple, but the Gents are a pain in the ass.

Discoid damage is lowered by Shell. We've fought the boss twice, and both times anyone who had Shell V from a WHM always took less damage than people with Shell II up. And it didn't matter what job got hit, WHMs took the same damage as NINs. So MDB traits don't affect it.

Well I wouldn't think the HP/MP Madame would drop Lv. 35 gear anyway, since it fills up the treasure pool with its normal drops.

Also, there is no such thing as "the rampart that takes 0 elemental damage". I've hinted on this in previous posts, but it seems to be something else that just looks like it's taking 0. For example, we nuked one once with Stone I and it took 0. Nuked it again later with Water II (I think) and it took like 100. Also should note that it did not unlock the teleporter.

There's 4 ramparts, what if each one is fixed to do a specific thing?

1 rampart warps you to a floor with a Madame.
1 rampart warps you to 5th floor
1 rampart warps you to the alternate version of 4th floor
1 rampart does something else that I can't really think of.

I still haven't seen confirmation one way or the other about which ramparts are "the correct one", if people could start keeping track of that from now on, it would help.

[Not Kuno]

Interesting theory. I wish I checked madam room when I did this zone. One time we had to kill each one and it was the last one that sent us up. So maybe each rampart stays in the same position.

[Rancid]

Has anyoned killed all the gents, and then all the ramparts on 4th floor? To pop the 3rd floor madame you have to kill all the mamools, and then a rampart to pop it, so maybe this is similar?

[divisortheory]

Has anyoned killed all the gents, and then all the ramparts on 4th floor? To pop the 3rd floor madame you have to kill all the mamools, and then a rampart to pop it, so maybe this is similar?

Yes, it's been tried. All reports of a 4th floor Madame have only ever said "we warped to 4th floor, and it was just up"

[Stellar]

What's the best route to farm for cards from this zone?

And i'm up for trying and theories anyone wants to test but doesn't want to waste a run in zhayolm, since we will need to go there to get cards anyways..

[Suiram]

What's the best route to farm for cards from this zone?

And i'm up for trying and theories anyone wants to test but doesn't want to waste a run in zhayolm, since we will need to go there to get cards anyways..

Actually unless you want to try to figure out 5/6th floor Madame, or you are just in desperate need of a card to complete a piece, best way probably is to go for the boss. You have to clear the 6th floor to port up, and usually out of those 12 gears we get one card, one run I think we got four lol I'm pretty sure anyone who comes with us regularly and might ever want a morrigan robe or ares cuirass has a card now just from that.

[divisortheory]

What's the best route to farm for cards from this zone?

And i'm up for trying and theories anyone wants to test but doesn't want to waste a run in zhayolm, since we will need to go there to get cards anyways..

Actually unless you want to try to figure out 5/6th floor Madame, or you are just in desperate need of a card to complete a piece, best way probably is to go for the boss. You have to clear the 6th floor to port up, and usually out of those 12 gears we get one card, one run I think we got four lol I'm pretty sure anyone who comes with us regularly and might ever want a morrigan robe or ares cuirass has a card now just from that.

If you wanna farm cards and try theories at the same time, go to the 6th floor (make sure to take 4F South), kill everything on 6F including the chariot, then after all that shit is dead kill the 2 ramparts that summon manticores. Let us know if a madame pops after every enemy on the floor is dead :D

[docvicious]

Just did this zone with 6

Mnk/nin , Thf/Nin, War/Sam(GA) , Rdm/whm , Blm , Blm

It was a test run for us And all we really had to go on was maps. Which at least the first map was wrong that was ont he wikki abotu some things.

First floor First room of each initial type of mob drops the said item and
Weapon / Ability / Magic / Subjob After that It was just whicher type it droped, now Event he first room (Maybee I just didnt undestand the way it was written) but thats what it dropped for us. 2 droped 2 didnt same for all rooms.

We cleared out the Puks simply because I found no info on the Porrogo that spawns when area is cleared. Turns out it just drops more of the same cells. Dropped 2 weaposn for us.

Second Floor We got the four drops from lizards and then tookt he portal asap.

3rd floor since we tookt he time to get the info on the first floor porrogo, decided to clear up the mamools to pop madame porrogo, we cleared everything got zhaylom card from rampart and started to fight War/Sam had already 2hrd to help clear first set of the huge room of freaking mamool since we were short on time. Mnk 2hrd and we did some great damage got it to about 40% then It frog choursed us. With about 2 min left after we uncharmed we continued got it to abotu 15% then ran out of time =(. Anyways heres what we got from the fight with the porrogo.

Providence - Pre requisite for spells such as Death, Graviga, breakga (thx to poster below)
Death - Interuptable
Water bomb - Aoe ~450
Frog Cheer - magic Attk boost
Frog Chourus - Charm / Toad
Tier 4 spells and T3-Ga spells

Don't know what Providence did to the frog It might be a Magic Defense bonus, seeing as how one of the blm's Tier 4 spell did a 0 dmg. Keep in mind this is my first time fighting a porrogo also and im to lazy to look up if regular frogs use that move. Didn't see magic hammer off of the NM. It started casting death on our monk But it was interupted easily. Water bomb is what killed us in the end. Only had 2 go off but after the charm it casted Spikes with our already low mp and hp. And it killed us.

So close but I think we did damn good for only having 6 people. had we not cleared the puk wing on the first floor we could of had time to rest before we fight the NM and probably stood a better chance.

Anyways sorry if this is repeat info but Didn't feel like going through all the pages of the topic. This zone was alot more fun than Bhaflu though ^^

[Suiram]

Providence is the move that unlocks a new set of spells for the next cast. Death, Graviga, Breakga, and a few others can only be used after Providence.

[docvicious]

Thank you, That actually helps out alot.

[Suiram]

So, is this "amazing discovery", or "olde"? Fourth floor south.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4...6233427iv7.jpg

dropped nothing...

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/775...hmadameof6.jpg

Didn't do anything special except get there faster. Didn't clock entry either so don't know the time limit, but it was up as soon as we ported up, our RNG saw it on widescan.

[Lindstrom]

Pretty big find, though I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know a few things that might be significant that you did on the run, mostly what you killed on previous floors. Pretty sleepy so I can't think of what else to ask but I'm pretty sure someone else'll have a list of questions.

[Wizerd]

The fact that it dropped nothing probably means it'll drop 35s with some chance, as opposed to 15s, right? >_>