Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[divisortheory]

Day of the week / rampart theory didn't work tonight. Firesday != First Rampart.


So far we have:

Darksday - Fourth Rampart
Firesday - Fourth Rampart
Earthday - First Rampart
Watersday - Second Rampart
Windsday - Second Rampart


5F South Madame is up. 51 minutes, 15 seconds

Edit: No drops, just a chest. same as 4F. Seems like the way to go is 4F S at 35 minutes -> kill 4F -> 5F S at 50 minutes. This seems very doable with a 15 minute window.

Here's some screenshot proof.

http://kalia.ultimals.com/Salvage/Madame_5FS.jpg
http://kalia.ultimals.com/Salvage/Madame_5FS-Fight.jpg

[Almalexia]

Lol U GUYZ WANT SUM GAMBISUNZ??

[divisortheory]

Had an idea last night. Seemed stupid at first but the more I think about it the more I think there might be something to it.

What if the Manticore on 6F drops equipment? It drops a chest 100% like every other apparent Lv. 35 equip dropping mob in the zone, and the chests contain similar items. It's also considerably harder than the other Manticore, taking up to 6 minutes to kill. So what's to stop it from dropping equip?

[Sagacious Sundi]

Had an idea last night. Seemed stupid at first but the more I think about it the more I think there might be something to it.

What if the Manticore on 6F drops equipment? It drops a chest 100% like every other apparent Lv. 35 equip dropping mob in the zone, and the chests contain similar items. It's also considerably harder than the other Manticore, taking up to 6 minutes to kill. So what's to stop it from dropping equip?

What about 6F madame? Fictional like 6F rats in Arrapago? Or both drop 35? I could see:
4FS: 1 drop
5FN: 2 or 3 drops
5FS: 1 drop
6F: 1 drop or non-existant
Manticore: 1 drop

It actually sounds rather plausible.

[Suiram]

When it's all said and done, I'll honestly be surprised if the 6th floor QQTHs in Arrapago are truly fictional, let alone the madame on 6th floor Zhayolm.

[divisortheory]

Had an idea last night. Seemed stupid at first but the more I think about it the more I think there might be something to it.

What if the Manticore on 6F drops equipment? It drops a chest 100% like every other apparent Lv. 35 equip dropping mob in the zone, and the chests contain similar items. It's also considerably harder than the other Manticore, taking up to 6 minutes to kill. So what's to stop it from dropping equip?

What about 6F madame? Fictional like 6F rats in Arrapago? Or both drop 35? I could see:
4FS: 1 drop
5FN: 2 or 3 drops
5FS: 1 drop
6F: 1 drop or non-existant
Manticore: 1 drop

It actually sounds rather plausible.

Actually i would put it more like:

4FS, 5FN, 5FS, 6F = 1 drop
Manticore = 2 drops

or

4FS, 5FN, 5FS = 1 drop
Manticore = 3 drops

The one that's the exception should have different drops, like in Arrapago

[Julian]

Both manticores have high hp/take a while to kill iirc

[Sagacious Sundi]

Both manticores have high hp/take a while to kill iirc

Hmmm... 2 manticores on the 6th floor that drop chest... 2 rats on the 6th floor that would probably drop chests... I think I'm on to something! Maybe they're the ones that weakens their chariot? I doubt it though.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if 6F rats/frog are unpoppable since there are 2 types of QQ NMs (TH+Astro) and 1 type of Poroggo NMs (madame) excluding the slot NMs, so they could've been test dummies or something. Not saying I think they can't be popped, just saying I won't be surprised if they can't. EDIT: They could've been removed from the .dats with the June, maybe March upates. I doubt many people have looked in the areas' .dats since like Feb. (Wow, checked older posts for fun and in early Feb we didn't even know what dropped 35s in Arrapago and were generally clueless as to how to get to the 7th floor. )

[Antithesis]

Day of the week / rampart theory didn't work tonight. Firesday != First Rampart.


So far we have:

Firesday - Fourth Rampart
Windsday - Second Rampart


5F South Madame is up. 51 minutes, 15 seconds

Edit: No drops, just a chest. same as 4F. Seems like the way to go is 4F S at 35 minutes -> kill 4F -> 5F S at 50 minutes. This seems very doable with a 15 minute window.

Here's some screenshot proof.

http://kalia.ultimals.com/Salvage/Madame_5FS.jpg
http://kalia.ultimals.com/Salvage/Madame_5FS-Fight.jpg

I got a question. Did you kill the 4TH floor madame before you killed the 5th floors madame? And did this Madame drop any sort of equipment? Because then the JP websites would be lieing no? o.o

[divisortheory]

4F Madame was popped but ignored it in order to warp at exactly 50 minutes. It's possible that 5F Madame only pops if you didn't kill the 4F Madame. If so that would suck, but it needs to be tested. Will try to repro this sometime this week and warp up exactly the same time, but this time also kill 4F Madame to see if 5F popping is dependent on whether or not you killed 4F.

[Spit]

Question:
How did you handle the ramparts when you were uncharmed? Sleep/Fight etc

[divisortheory]

Question:
How did you handle the ramparts when you were uncharmed? Sleep/Fight etc

I wasn't there, these are secondhand screenshots from someone in my LS. But I was told they don't aggro to anything, including magic. So you just ignore them.

If it's true that they don't aggro to anything including magic (certainly appears to be based off that screenshot lol) then it lends more credibility to the theory about the 5F N rampart pop condition not being time-based. There are DEFINITELY 3 ramparts up there because I remember them, so if one of them aggroes magic and the other 2 don't, then it's a pretty good bet that Madame pop is dependent on the rampart.

[mhmmimafreak]

the ramparts didnt aggro magic not 100% on sight dont think we ever ran into middle of the room it charmga us 2 times though and on 2nd regened to full while running back in room behind ramparts.

On a side note no sure why screens have our names blocked out maybe the widescanner cared but most of rly dont mind.

Sarah pwns

[divisortheory]

On a side note no sure why screens have our names blocked out maybe the widescanner cared but most of rly dont mind.

Someone asked for it to be so. Sorry!

[mhmmimafreak]

<3 in the end i think were all just happy we can pop this bugger needs more completed marduk bodys

[Xerlic]

We zoned up to fourth floor on Earthday and First Rampart triggered the port to the fifth floor for whoever is collecting data.

5f Madame was not up at 54 minute mark. However 4f Madame was up well past the 40-45 minute mark. I wasn't keeping track exactly, but it was at least 48 minutes.

Battleclad finally dropped 25 Skadi hands netting us our second completed piece.

[divisortheory]

I'm actually a little curious. When was the last time anyone did NOT see the 4th floor madame up? lol.

BTW did you kill the 4F Madame?

[Avinor]

We didn't kill it, we just wanted to haul ass to the boss for the sure win. Wish we had since we had 13mins to spare afterward, but it was only our 2nd win so we wanted to make sure we had it down pat before we played with the frog.

[divisortheory]

We didn't kill it, we just wanted to haul ass to the boss for the sure win. Wish we had since we had 13mins to spare afterward, but it was only our 2nd win so we wanted to make sure we had it down pat before we played with the frog.

Rules out the possibility that 5F pops if and only if a) 4th floor popped, and b) 4th floor was not killed. I still think it's a purely time based condition, but at least that's one less thing I have to test now

[Almalexia]

Tried to pop the 5F N Madame using the information Elmer translated. Big disappointment.

Archaic Ramparts on the 5th floor North route are Passive, but have set conditions that can make them Active (aggro to magic) I cast Cure on myself next to it and it reacted so we know this for sure. We apologize, but we are still investigating the exact conditions of them being Active. Currently, we've done this 3 times.

Today, they did not aggro Cure or Refresh or various self buffs (barspell, spikes). We tried standing in the middle of the ramparts, right next to the ramparts, behind the ramparts. They would not aggro to magic, not even while casting Sleep to aggravate them at the very end of our tests (after killing gears).

Finding that the ramparts would not aggro, we proceeded to kill triple gears. I noticed, in the first room, there are 8 Archaic Gears that circle a center obstacle to make a perfect square shape on my compass when still. There are an additional 4 gears that wander the room normally. It's very suspicious even without considering the info from Elmer's translation.

I had our RNG scan the floor after each gear was killed. No Madame. We went back down to the ramparts who would still not aggro magic. We decided to force aggro by casting on them, and slept all 3. Still no Madame on scan. Then we started killing them one by one. All 3 used Reinforcements and all 3 spawned Mindgazers, so I am guessing the JP group either got lucky with their ramparts TP use or, by killing gears, the "proper" rampart is not limited to only Astral Gate and Biomagnet.