Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[Slott]

Predator claws out damaged all the melee, as Puks are weak to piercing anyway,

pred claws is slash, not pierce..

Good info anywho though, need to do a couple zhayolm runs for 15 pieces :X

[Francisco II]

Thanks, that helps out a LOT...

For some reason I was under the assumption that once you went south on Floor 3, there would be a locked door blocking the north.

[Aemora]

Predator claws out damaged all the melee, as Puks are weak to piercing anyway,

pred claws is slash, not pierce..

Been Lv75 Summoner for nearly a year now, and I've never bothered to look up what Pacts are what type of weapon attributes ... I just know that if they fly, use Garuda/Leviathan. If they are big and round, use Titan. If everyone is dying, crack out Carbuncle. For sum Smn Sex, whack Ifrit on Garuda (though if you put 1 Fenrir behind the other, and get the back one to use Howling Moon, it looks like he's orgasming the front one up the arse kekeke). If you haven't got a frickin' clue what they are, use Fenrir, and if they are huge mofo'ing flying Dragons, Diabolos ftw~. Fuck Shiva and he 5-miss Rush attack... And Ramuh's not too bad with Colibri <.<

>.>

kbai.

[Wizerd]

Pop the chest for 1 of each cell I've just listed, but an extra Weapon and then whatever other cell you get (Magic in this zone, I think)

The first chest's cells are not zone specific. It's a 50% chance between getting 2 Abilities and 1 Magic vs 2 Magic and 1 Abilities.

[Narse]

Would anyone who's ever killed the Madame on 5th floor N or S be able to give any information as to the chest it drops? When we killed 4th S, I noticed it had a lot of good meds in it, and since nobody can verify a drop from it yet, was thinking maybe it's only good for dropping meds. Would like to compare it's drops to those on the 5th floor, as I find it highly unlikely that both 4th and 5th floor would drop only meds.

If it's a med chest only, I'd assume 2x each drop from 5th N/S and 6th floor, and if it's actually capable of dropping a 35 piece, maybe the drops are more along the lines of 4th S 2 35s, 5th N/S 1 35 each, 6th floor 2 35s.

[aurik]

If the 6th floor madame even exists.

[Wizerd]

Has anyone ever actually killed the 5F chariot? I know it has some link to the gears in its room or summoned gears (never checked) like 6F. The three times I've killed it, we got overwhelmed by them. Next time I do Zhayolm, I want to aggro the chariot, then clear all the gears, then try killing it. It seems like it would drop something.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Would anyone who's ever killed the Madame on 5th floor N or S be able to give any information as to the chest it drops? When we killed 4th S, I noticed it had a lot of good meds in it, and since nobody can verify a drop from it yet, was thinking maybe it's only good for dropping meds. Would like to compare it's drops to those on the 5th floor, as I find it highly unlikely that both 4th and 5th floor would drop only meds.

If it's a med chest only, I'd assume 2x each drop from 5th N/S and 6th floor, and if it's actually capable of dropping a 35 piece, maybe the drops are more along the lines of 4th S 2 35s, 5th N/S 1 35 each, 6th floor 2 35s.

I'm still guessing:

4FS: 1 drop (Marduk body or head)
5FN: 2 drops (Skadi/Usukane or Ares/Morrigan)
5FS: 1 drop (Marduk head or body)
6F: 2 drops (Ares/Morrigan or Skadi/Usukane)

EDIT: If the chariot does drop something, maybe:
4FS: 1 drop (Marduk body?)
Chariot: 2 drops (Skadi/Usukane)
5FN: 1 drop (Ares or Morrigan)
5FS: 1 drop (Ares or Morrigan)
6F: 1 drop (Marduk head?)

[Aemora]

Arrapago's 6th floor QQTHs exist, but don't exist. Chariot can drop 3 items, though I don't think anyone has actually seen it drop all 3 (2 yes, 3 no).
There are 4 Madames for the third and fourth floor: 2 of them drop Ares/Morrigans Hands, then SkadiHead/MardukLegs/UsukaneFeet, whilst the other 2 drop HP/MP and (what?).

What's to say that the 5th floor Madames don't drop multiple Lv35 items? People have Morrigan's Pumps ... Where the fuck they get the Macha's from?

[aurik]

Has anyone ever actually killed the 5F chariot? I know it has some link to the gears in its room or summoned gears (never checked) like 6F. The three times I've killed it, we got overwhelmed by them. Next time I do Zhayolm, I want to aggro the chariot, then clear all the gears, then try killing it. It seems like it would drop something.

Killed the 5FN chariot twice, no drop. It didn't spawn any gears either time we touched it.

[divisortheory]

I'm starting to think 5F Madame might be purely random.

As for drops, all the other Madames in the zone have multiple drops, I'm hoping the 35 ones do too. That MIGHT make up for the shitty drop rate and pop difficulty. BTW, if anyone ever successfully pops 5F Madame but decides not to kill it, please drop an apology card from hallmark in the mail addressed to heaven, because baby jesus is definitely crying.

[Jaceot]

BTW, if anyone ever successfully pops 5F Madame but decides not to kill it, please drop an apology card from hallmark in the mail addressed to heaven, because baby jesus is definitely crying.

whoops....

I still doubt its purely random. Besides mad bomber (which may not be random) no other NM in salvage is random. I think Zhayolm might be like bhaflau though in a way that every floor has different conditions, as opposed to SS and Arrapago which have consistent conditions. Needs more crazy theories tested in my opinion.

As for multiple drop rates, i wonder if itd be like an all or nothing thing, since a lot of zhayolm mobs work that way. Itd be nice to get 2-3 35's at once.

[Almalexia]

Besides mad bomber (which may not be random) no other NM in salvage is random.

I wouldn't bee so sure about that.

[Jaceot]

Well... I mean besides all of the bhaflau rampart summoned NMs. Really when you get the rampart you could consider it being the NM with a low drop rate that increases the longer you take to kill it.

Sorry for Beeing technically wrong!

P.S. if there are any other counter examples I will continue to change what i originally meant till i save face or die trying.

[divisortheory]

Well, I'm still leaning towards random now if your report is accurate, just based on how wildly different our runs were. Either that, or killing a random mob from 1-4 causes it to pop (similar to how the Rampart works on 1F Arrapago, just cross-floor)

[Narse]

Well, I'm still leaning towards random now if your report is accurate, just based on how wildly different our runs were. Either that, or killing a random mob from 1-4 causes it to pop (similar to how the Rampart works on 1F Arrapago, just cross-floor)

I'm pretty sure it's not a random mob for Arrapago 1st floor to pop the rampart. In my experience, it's always the merrow BRD in the 2nd of the 4 rooms on the NE path that pops it.

Also, asked earlier, but seems nobody replied to it: Anyone who's killed 5th floor Madames able to describe any meds that it drops/quantities of meds that it drops?

[divisortheory]

The group whose run I originally reported (that popped it twice in a row), said it had lots of melee and mage related super drinks. mana boost, body boost, champion's drink, etc. Can't say I remember specifically though.

If anyone is up for it, an idea might be to try to killing every single mob on 1F, every single mob on 2F, then get a few HP/MP cells and zone up to 5F to see if it's up. 2 Ridill WARs would make this go pretty fast

[Millael]

Something we discovered yesterday that may make pulling 4F madame easier -

Hide works very, very, very well on gents. Our THF wound up having to link almost all of them to pull the madame, then tried hiding for the hell of it, and it worked.

[Forbidden16]

I'm starting to think 5F Madame might be purely random.

Well, a few days ago we warped up around 52:05 (Killed Madame on 4th F South) and no Madame on 5th floor, though someone posted of them having Madame popped at :59 .

Who knows, maybe it has a random window varying from the 50's, or killing the previous floor Madame would affect it somehow as theorized earlier in the thread

[divisortheory]

Something we discovered yesterday that may make pulling 4F madame easier -

Hide works very, very, very well on gents. Our THF wound up having to link almost all of them to pull the madame, then tried hiding for the hell of it, and it worked.

I think this was posted previously, but yea it does work well. They seem to be either a) true sight, b) sound, or c) aggro to low HP though, I'm not sure which. Whenever I pull I flee back to Mamool room, then flee back into the Poroggo room, then hit hide inside the poroggo room. Every single time I re-aggro them on the way back up the stairs as I pass them, even though hide is active. Next time I go i'll probably spend less time on 2F and instead pull a bunch of gents from 4F to get equip. If that ends up being efficient, pulling the Madame wouldn't really be an issue anymore anyway.