Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[divisortheory]

It's what I will test in 15min, but I can't find a freaking bard for the mega. I will go test anyway..just gonna suck to win without brd

We just entered on Iceday and killed Second (Wind) -> Third (Ice) the ported. No Madame.

[Aemora]

Hmmm... Maybe the right concept, just the wrong way around. Clearly, killing the Rampart associated with the day you entered activates the Porter, but what about killing the Rampart of the Day you Entered and the Day you reached the Fourth Floor, and no others. Meaning that Should Divisor have entered on Iceday but ported up on Lightningsday, only the Third Rampart needed killing. If it were Darksday > Firesday, then both Fourth and First need killing.

Of course, it makes no sense because the JPs killed all 4 Doors and the Madame was up so again, I reiterate, I'm gonna go join the Absolute Virtue Theories and come up with something retarded like, "Maybe killing the Aerns where it spawns weakens it" or "Beastmasters can charm the Wyvans" (Because we all know Sea is the most friendliest place there is for Beastmasters) or "Ebon Panels".

[Kaylia]

Zoned on light day, killed 4th on darkday and nothing was up. Also cleared 3rd floor. Nothing. Guess weakness isn't the correct pattern

[divisortheory]

Zoned on light day, killed 4th on darkday and nothing was up. Also cleared 3rd floor. Nothing. Guess weakness isn't the correct pattern

Cleared 3rd floor? Both routes? Did you kill 4F Madame?

[Kaylia]

Sorry, meant south only. Shouldn't have worded it like that

[divisortheory]

Did you kill the Madame at the end of the route also? And what about 4F Madame?

[Kaylia]

1st: Zoned on lightday Farmed floor 1
2nd: Zoned NE, got 2 legs/2head on floor 2 and killed the Imp NM after
3rd: Killed every mamool in south section + madame (had only 1 magic cell by the time we reached the rampart)
4th: Zoned on dark day, killed 4th rampart but didnt kill Marid
5th: No madame up so we went to mega

[divisortheory]

Guess I'm gonna stop trying to pop the 5F Madame for a while, and just keep killing the chariot. Between the 4F S madame and the 5F chariot, one of those has to drop something. Hopefully once 1 drop is discovered more people will start doign NM runs and have more chances at popping 5F and/or getting drops from other NMs.


For people who go north instead of south, have you ever tried popping the 4F N Madame, but not killing and instead killing the wrong rampart and warping back to 4F N again? If so, was the Madame still up? Every other mob between the two versions of 4F N are different mobs (different IDs), so I wonder if the second 4F N madame has different drops than the first.

[Kaylia]

Would be something interesting to try, but I doubt anyone want to lose their 29 minutes madame if they rushed to pop it. I might try next time I guess, rush to that floor in 25min, hurry up and kill rampart and hope it's still there. Then you have 70minutes left to cry about the lack of gears and/or hp/mp depending how shitty 3rd floor was.

[divisortheory]

Would be something interesting to try, but I doubt anyone want to lose their 29 minutes madame if they rushed to pop it. I might try next time I guess, rush to that floor in 25min, hurry up and kill rampart and hope it's still there. Then you have 70minutes left to cry about the lack of gears and/or hp/mp depending how shitty 3rd floor was.

4th floor, especially north, has a ton of mamools and stuff. Don't they drop stuff? Even if first version doesn't drop anything, maybe second version does.

[Lhexh]

Drop rate isnt as good as 3rd Floor but you can kill wrong rampart to get a fresh set of mamools which drop again. We've had no problems capping on HP/MP after 4FN to continue on and kill boss.

[divisortheory]

Drop rate isnt as good as 3rd Floor but you can kill wrong rampart to get a fresh set of mamools which drop again. We've had no problems capping on HP/MP after 4FN to continue on and kill boss.

Good to know. In that case you can race to 4F N then kill wrong rampart and see if Madame is up. If so, it begs the question of whether it's possible to kill Madame then kill it again after warping.

[Wizerd]

The poroggos don't reset when you fail to warp to 5F N. We found this out the hard way, after one of our members had trained some Poroggo Gents to the porter room and hit the port while we were all at the Rampart. We got teleported back to 4F N and found 6 Poroggo casting shit on us, just about wiped. I didn't think the Mamool Ja reset either, but maybe they do. I also had DATs modded at this time, and the First/Second/Third/Fourth Ramparts were all the same DAT ID, didn't change to the new set, and the Poroggos were all the same ones too. I didn't notice whether the Mamool Ja were.

[divisortheory]

The poroggos don't reset when you fail to warp to 5F N. We found this out the hard way, after one of our members had trained some Poroggo Gents to the porter room and hit the port while we were all at the Rampart. We got teleported back to 4F N and found 6 Poroggo casting shit on us, just about wiped. I didn't think the Mamool Ja reset either, but maybe they do. I also had DATs modded at this time, and the First/Second/Third/Fourth Ramparts were all the same DAT ID, didn't change to the new set, and the Poroggos were all the same ones too. I didn't notice whether the Mamool Ja were.

I haven't done North route in ages, but the last time I did it I had DATs modded and the mamool were definitely a different set of mobs. Maybe some ramparts take you to version 1 and other ramparts take you to version 2? When I did it, we got warped to version 2, and every single mob I saw, including all the ramparts, had different IDs. Another thing I remember though, is that we ended up getting warped back 5 or 6 times before we chose the correct rampart. One time I got warped back there was only a single rampart left in the room, which was fucking weird and at the time I chalked it up to a bug. It wasn't even the correct rampart, so that version of the floor we got was impossible to get to 5F from.

I wonder if this could be some sort of clue related to the 5th floor Madame. If true it would imply that different ramparts do different things. Perhaps for the 5F N Madame you have to warp directly to 5F N from the second version of 4F N, and not the first version. Or something along those lines.

[Kaylia]

4th floor, especially north, has a ton of mamools and stuff. Don't they drop stuff? Even if first version doesn't drop anything, maybe second version does.

They drop the same stuff as floor 3 mamool I think, and north frog drop nothing. Didn't think about fighting 2nd version for more hp/mp , but I don't understand how you can get gears if you skipped 2nd floors and planning to go north.

Good to know. In that case you can race to 4F N then kill wrong rampart and see if Madame is up. If so, it begs the question of whether it's possible to kill Madame then kill it again after warping.

Assuming you zone up at the exact time, that leave you 4min40 to kill the madame with shitty gears, invisible and go zerg the wrong rampart. Pretty sure my group wouldnt be able to kill fast enough, unless we have some retarded luck on WS selection on madame and the pull goes well. Pulling alone usually take 2min for us, and kill will take an additional 2minutes at least.

[divisortheory]

4th floor, especially north, has a ton of mamools and stuff. Don't they drop stuff? Even if first version doesn't drop anything, maybe second version does.

They drop the same stuff as floor 3 mamool I think, and north frog drop nothing. Didn't think about fighting 2nd version for more hp/mp , but I don't understand how you can get gears if you skipped 2nd floors and planning to go north.

Are you sure 4F frog drop nothing? When was the last time you killed them? South frogs drop lots of gear now. About 50% of south frogs drop nothing, but the other 50% drop either 3 or 6 cells each. I think at least 5-6 north frogs need to be killed to say whether or not they drop. BTW, the south frogs didn't used to drop anything either before the last version update. So even if north frogs were killed before the update, a few should be killed again now to test.

Good to know. In that case you can race to 4F N then kill wrong rampart and see if Madame is up. If so, it begs the question of whether it's possible to kill Madame then kill it again after warping.

Assuming you zone up at the exact time, that leave you 4min40 to kill the madame with shitty gears, invisible and go zerg the wrong rampart. Pretty sure my group wouldnt be able to kill fast enough, unless we have some retarded luck on WS selection on madame.

Well, in theory you should be able to get to 4F much faster than 25 minutes right? 20 minutes should be possible easily. I can get off of 1F in about 13 minutes. Send one person to tele on second floor immediately while group kills 1 lizard. Hopefully it drops something. On third floor send THF with invisible + flee to north porter, have everyone else kill mamools as fast as possible from west/south path. THF can port up to 4F at the 20 minute mark

[Kaylia]

North frog drop nothing...or at least, they dropped nothing after 7 kills 1 week ago. There was 5-6 left, but we decided to stop wasting our time. Maybe we just got awfully unlucky, or maybe you have to re-zone to make them drop?

South floor madame always dropped gears as far as I know. I believe the rate was upped, but I remember thinking something along the line of "shouldnt have wasted time on 2nd floor" not long after Salvage was released 6-7 months ago. I stopped spamming salvage for many montsh after, but I'm fairly certain it was south gent that were dropped gears.

Well, in theory you should be able to get to 4F much faster than 25 minutes right? 20 minutes should be possible easily. I can get off of 1F in about 13 minutes. Send one person to tele on second floor immediately while group kills 1 lizard. Hopefully it drops something. On third floor send THF with invisible + flee to north porter, have everyone else kill mamools as fast as possible from west/south path. THF can port up to 4F at the 20 minute mark

Oh, I thought it was a 25-30min window. If you can zone anytime before 25minutes, than yeah, it's probably doable.

[Wizerd]

4th floor, especially north, has a ton of mamools and stuff. Don't they drop stuff? Even if first version doesn't drop anything, maybe second version does.

They drop the same stuff as floor 3 mamool I think, and north frog drop nothing. Didn't think about fighting 2nd version for more hp/mp , but I don't understand how you can get gears if you skipped 2nd floors and planning to go north.

Are you sure 4F frog drop nothing? When was the last time you killed them? South frogs drop lots of gear now. About 50% of south frogs drop nothing, but the other 50% drop either 3 or 6 cells each. I think at least 5-6 north frogs need to be killed to say whether or not they drop. BTW, the south frogs didn't used to drop anything either before the last version update. So even if north frogs were killed before the update, a few should be killed again now to test.

Good to know. In that case you can race to 4F N then kill wrong rampart and see if Madame is up. If so, it begs the question of whether it's possible to kill Madame then kill it again after warping.

Assuming you zone up at the exact time, that leave you 4min40 to kill the madame with shitty gears, invisible and go zerg the wrong rampart. Pretty sure my group wouldnt be able to kill fast enough, unless we have some retarded luck on WS selection on madame.

Well, in theory you should be able to get to 4F much faster than 25 minutes right? 20 minutes should be possible easily. I can get off of 1F in about 13 minutes. Send one person to tele on second floor immediately while group kills 1 lizard. Hopefully it drops something. On third floor send THF with invisible + flee to north porter, have everyone else kill mamools as fast as possible from west/south path. THF can port up to 4F at the 20 minute mark

Somebody mentioned soloing Zhayolm on THF before for some reason, maybe it was to test pops or something, I dunno. Did we ever figure out if the Marid can lose aggro? If so, I could try going into Zhayolm as THF solo to pop 5F N.

Bloody Bolts work good on mobs in Zhayolm, so it would be possible to solo an entire room of lizards, and then one lizard from another room. I might be worried about the Wyverns, but they only hit for ~30-50 so it would probably be managable. Take a minute on 3F to fight one of the easier Mamools for your HP cell, and then port up to try out the Rampart stuff with what I would estimate to be about 50 minutes? if solo. First floor obviously would be an immediate skip.

Then, with DATs modded, kill an incorrect Rampart or two until I find the second set of mobs, then kill the correct Rampart immediately after, to see if the madame is up on 5F N. Any group could replicate this without DAT modding simply by killing one or two of the mobs on the floor first, then comparing it afterwards to see if they all respawned or if the same ones were gone. I wouldn't want to do that as a solo THF though.

[Byrthnoth]

I wonder if this could be some sort of clue related to the 5th floor Madame. If true it would imply that different ramparts do different things. Perhaps for the 5F N Madame you have to warp directly to 5F N from the second version of 4F N, and not the first version. Or something along those lines.

Ok, video gaming sense going off. Replicating, yet slightly different areas are a favorite of many game makers, like in FFIX where you had to do the right pattern of left/rights paths in a very similar looking area to get to the black mage village, etc. This is a possibility. I don't want to believe the 5th floor frog is triggered by a random mob in zone or by random chance, as it isn't nearly as specific as the spawn conditions for every other NM.

Has anyone tried not killing/aggroing any of the frogs at all as a spawn condition for 5F Madame? <,< It seems a little too simple and would destroy the possibility of multiple-NM farming for this zone, but multiple-NM farming here isn't too easy anyway.

[Kaylia]

Don't take my word on it, but I'm almost certain I read a few page ago that Marid does unagro like any Salvage mobs (or almost any?). Good luck soloing your way there if you try, it sound fun.

I can't wait to see a 5th floor madame..it's hard to find a pattern when the only constant element is the lack of pop >_>