Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[divisortheory]

Another possibility would be the quantity of room cleared completetly (or set of 4 monsters).
For the 114 kills run
1st floor: 7 rooms were cleared
2nd floor: 1 lizards room
3rd floor: 3 rooms + large room
4th room: frog room + mamool room + rampart room
Total: 15 rooms (12 small, 3 larges one)

Meh, we would have noticed more pop if it was the case, but who knows.




Question about north rampart on 4th floor, can you pull 2 at time? I know the other 3 despawn as you pull, but did anyone ever try fighting 2.

Yea. if you pull simultaneously both turn purple, but one of the purple ones (plus the 2 yellow ones) despawn anyway.

[divisortheory]

Suiram, about the run where you reproed the 114 mob run in 84 minutes,

• Which Mamool did you kill on 1F and 2F? NE and NE i'm guessing?

• Did you killed all pets that spawned in the entire zone, didn't ignore any?

• How many marids popped from the ramparts, and how many did you actually kill vs. ignore?

[Suiram]

1st floor NE mamool, 2nd floor NE mamool.

We killed every pet, including, on the 4th floor, waiting 3 minutes after port until the BST mamool had summoned his lizard before pulling (unsure if he'll summon midfight if you pull early, so didn't want to risk).

We killed the Ramparts in order First > Second > Third > Fourth, sleeping Marids as they popped. First, Third and Fourth popped a Marid. We killed the Marid from Third Rampart, then immediately ported up, ignoring the other two.

[divisortheory]

I thought of a possible pattern in Zhayolm for the Madames.

We know Zhayolm is all about 4s. 4 rooms in first and second floor, 4 mobs in each room on 3rd floor, 4 mamools on 4th floor, 8 gents, 4 ramparts, etc.

We know the 5F Madame has only been popped with # Mamool is a multiple of 5. So I came up with a pattern. Each time # of Mamool killed increases by 5, the 4^2 minute time window that you have to arrive at the 5th floor increases by 4^2. This results in the following:

# Mamool      Time Window
    05             0-16m
    10            16-32m
    15            32-48m
  O 20            48-64m
    25            64-80m
  O 30            80-96m

O denotes a confirmed pop.

[Aemora]

Is this inclusive of both North and South Madames, or just oneside only?

[Sagacious Sundi]

Is this inclusive of both North and South Madames, or just oneside only?

Right now, practically everything is south. North is probably the next target, with the sixth floor being dead last for several reasons.

[Julian]

In north testing right now, we're @40min right now about, got 20mamools+10 pets killed. gonna try warping up at 48 and see what we get.

[divisortheory]

In north testing right now, we're @40min right now about, got 20mamools+10 pets killed. gonna try warping up at 48 and see what we get.

50ish would be better just so you aren't right on the edge, but will be eager to see if it works :D

[Almalexia]

I thought of a possible pattern in Zhayolm for the Madames.

We know Zhayolm is all about 4s. 4 rooms in first and second floor, 4 mobs in each room on 3rd floor, 4 mamools on 4th floor, 8 gents, 4 ramparts, etc.

We know the 5F Madame has only been popped with # Mamool is a multiple of 5. So I came up with a pattern. Each time # of Mamool killed increases by 5, the 4^2 minute time window that you have to arrive at the 5th floor increases by 4^2. This results in the following:

# Mamool      Time Window
    05             0-16m
    10            16-32m
    15            32-48m
  O 20            48-64m
    25            64-80m
  O 30            80-96m

O denotes a confirmed pop.

Expanding upon the Zhayolm 4s: the only areas in Zhayolm that don't follow a "4" pattern are the rampart rooms on the fifth floor, which only have 3 mobs. However, as we know, the Madame is a hidden 4th mob that would balance the pattern once more.

Even if it's all just eerie coincidence, I'm going to try to hit the 20/50ish mark tonight without doing anything otherwise different. Farm the same cells, kill the 4F Madame, but have Mamool kills at 20 by portal-up to the fifth.

[divisortheory]

I thought of a possible pattern in Zhayolm for the Madames.

We know Zhayolm is all about 4s. 4 rooms in first and second floor, 4 mobs in each room on 3rd floor, 4 mamools on 4th floor, 8 gents, 4 ramparts, etc.

We know the 5F Madame has only been popped with # Mamool is a multiple of 5. So I came up with a pattern. Each time # of Mamool killed increases by 5, the 4^2 minute time window that you have to arrive at the 5th floor increases by 4^2. This results in the following:

# Mamool      Time Window
    05             0-16m
    10            16-32m
    15            32-48m
  O 20            48-64m
    25            64-80m
  O 30            80-96m

O denotes a confirmed pop.

Expanding upon the Zhayolm 4s: the only areas in Zhayolm that don't follow a "4" pattern are the rampart rooms on the fifth floor, which only have 3 mobs. However, as we know, the Madame is a hidden 4th mob that would balance the pattern once more.

Even if it's all just eerie coincidence, I'm going to try to hit the 20/50ish mark tonight without doing anything otherwise different. Farm the same cells, kill the 4F Madame, but have Mamool kills at 20 by portal-up to the fifth.

If you want to mimic a successful pop exactly, ignore the 4F Madame. I know it's hard to ignore such a tasty prospect, but if you warp up to 5F and it's not up, the question will be lingering about whether or not the Madame affected the outcome. The successful pop was:

1F: 0 Mamool
2F: 1 NE Mamool
3F: 4+4+4+3 Mamool
4F: 4 Mamool, 1 Marid, 0 Madame, 0 Gent

[Almalexia]

I'll leave 4FS alone then. But if 5FS isn't up, you owe us Deimos Sabatons, assuming the chariot doesn't drop them first. :wink:

[Julian]

In north testing right now, we're @40min right now about, got 20mamools+10 pets killed. gonna try warping up at 48 and see what we get.

50ish would be better just so you aren't right on the edge, but will be eager to see if it works :D

Someone fucked up and we warped at 45min -_-;

[Julian]

Here's our run, just for the record.

THIS IS A FAILED ATTEMPT AT NORTH POROGGO, NOT SOUTH.

Lightningday 9:07:30 startup time. (taken from when I saw everyone's zone change)

1st Floor: 
Puk x4
Ziz x2
Raptor x2
Mamool x1
Bugard x2
Mamool x1
Bugard x1
Total Mobs: 14
Total Mamools: 2
Time up: 9:21:07 
Time Spent: 13:37  (wow lol)

2nd Floor:
Lizard x4
Total Mobs: 16
Total Mamools to now: 2
Time up: 9:24:27
Time Spent: 3:20

3rd Floor:  (this one data is a little messier)
Zenist x4
Drg x4 Wyvern x4
Bst x4 Lizard x4
Drg x1 Wyvern x1
Bounder x1
Bst x1 Lizard x1
Zenist x1
Bounder x1
Zenist x1
Total Mobs: 34 (44 with pets)
Total Mamools: 20 (30 with pets)
Time Up: 9:37:45
Time Spent: 13:18
Total Time: 30:15 (just missed the madame ftl, wasn't up)

4th Floor:  
3rd Rampart x1
No Marid Pop
Total Mobs: 35 (45 with pets)
Total Mamools: 20 (30 with pets)
Time Up: 9:51:15
Time Spent: 13:30
Total Time: 43:45

5th Floor: 
Madame not up
Chariot was up (I fleed to it)
Madame did not pop upon opening the door to portal.

If it ever matters, warped again at 55:22 and 16:36

Cleared 6th floor, didn't touch the ramparts, killed boss and got 2 rewarding Tsukikazu Togis ftl

Doesn't offer much insight to the mystery, but who knows if it may ever come in handy in the future =/

(This does disprove the 60mob chariot thing though, but I think it's already been disproved anyway)

edit: there may be some math errors, kinda tired and just copied over my notes I had written down.

[divisortheory]

Was the chariot person lying? O.o

[Almalexia]

1F: 0 Mamool
2F: 1 NE Mamool
3F: 4+4+4+3 Mamool
4F: 4 Mamool, 1 Marid, 0 Madame, 0 Gent

We followed this plan exactly. The only thing that could have possibly jeopardized it was a link on the third floor (effectively aggroing 21 Mamools) but the link was not harmed, only slept.

4FS was up, having arrived at the fourth floor 43:50 into the zone. We did not kill her.

5FS was not up, having arrived at the fifth floor 50:59 into the zone and killing a total of 20 Mamools throughout.

Chariot didn't drop anything again. BUT ONE DAY IT WILL RAIN GOTE, AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO TRIPLE ATTACKS WHO IN ONE CONVENIENT ANIMATION.

[Pasquale]

Hiiii Guys i need a damned info.. at the Floor before the Mega Boss only Archaic chariot need to be killed to open the sealed door? or i must kill all gears+gear + Chariot? ( plzz some1 that alrdy did it help me out ^^)

[Jaceot]

Hiiii Guys i need a damned info.. at the Floor before the Mega Boss only Archaic chariot need to be killed to open the sealed door? or i must kill all gears+gear + Chariot? ( plzz some1 that alrdy did it help me out ^^)

You need to kill all of them. Try looking at FFXIclopedia before asking simple questions in the future.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Zhayolm_Remnants

[Narse]

Was the chariot person lying? O.o

No, I wasn't. I did state though that it was done on a run with a JP group I go with, and that there is some degree of loss in interpretation. That's why I asked for verification here.

*EDIT: I wasn't there on the actual run.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I don't think he was asking if you were lying, but rather if the person that told you was.

[divisortheory]

I don't think he was asking if you were lying, but rather if the person that told you was.

yea